• First scholars' ranking rates Donald Trump as worst president ever
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[t]https://i.imgur.com/8YlQcL6.png[/t] [url]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/19/opinion/how-does-trump-stack-up-against-the-best-and-worst-presidents.html[/url] [quote]Where does Donald Trump rank on the list of American presidents? We surveyed presidential politics experts to sketch out a first draft of Trump’s place in presidential history. Since our previous survey in 2014, some presidential legacies have soared (Barack Obama’s stock has climbed into the Top 10), while others have fallen (Andrew Jackson toppled to 15, out of the Top 10). And President Trump? Let’s say that, according to the 170 members of the American Political Science Association’s Presidents and Executive Politics section who filled out our survey, he has at least three years to improve on an ignominious debut.[/quote] Huge for Buchanan if true. Even Republican scholars rank Trump as #40
I always root for the underdog, so I'm thrilled for Buchanan here. Congrats buddy, I knew you could do it.
Interesting bonus question [t]https://i.imgur.com/cPm8FDT.png[/t]
He's worse than the guy who died a month into his presidency goddamn
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53143764]Interesting bonus question [t]https://i.imgur.com/cPm8FDT.png[/t][/QUOTE] What's even more interesting is that FDR, the poster child for Keynesian economics and social welfare is the top choice for Mt. Rushmore even among Republican respondents. [t]https://i.imgur.com/vgUUdl3.png[/t]
Note for non Americans why Buchanan is considered the worst, he didn't deal with the circumstances leading to the Civil War well. He was a "doughface" a northerner with souther sympathies and he endorsed the worst Supreme Court ruling of all time, Dred Scott v. Sandford, (which ruled black people couldn't be citizens, and the feds couldn't regulate slavery in the new territories) in the hopes of ending the controversy regarding slavery in new territories. Also sent the army to Utah based on false information regarding Mormons. So yeah a weak president who didn't do a good job addressing the growing divide in the country, sound familiar :worried:
Obama being better than Reagan? I would pay to watch an hour-long show just watching GOP supporters faces as they scan this list. :v:
I would probably cast doubt on how meaningful ranking a sitting or recent president is. These opinions would be colored so much by current politics and the full effects of their presidency is not known. You can pretty clearly see this on how some rankings have changed since their 2014 survey.
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53143764]Interesting bonus question [t]https://i.imgur.com/cPm8FDT.png[/t][/QUOTE] I'm for a sculpture of Roosevelt only if it is carved next to teddy and looks like a two headed monster
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53143764]Interesting bonus question [t]https://i.imgur.com/cPm8FDT.png[/t][/QUOTE] Ew, no. That bastard shouldn't get any honors for how he treated his own citizens. The fact that we glorify that wheelchair bound tyrant is honestly upsetting and I would rather we treat FDR as the shithead he was. Fuck’im
Obama's legacy is going to be super fascinating to observe going forward. He dealt with a lot of difficult situations, has a pretty solid list of achievements under his belt, and is in the top 5 most charismatic human beings ever imo. I'll always wonder what he could and would have done with his power if there wasn't so much gridlock and obstructionist GOP sludge bogging down his administration. Regardless, I think being adjacent to currently who's considered as the worst president in US history is going to do him a lot of favors.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;53143781]Obama being better than Reagan? I would pay to watch an hour-long show just watching GOP supporters faces as they scan this list. :v:[/QUOTE] I think Obama is getting ranked higher in part because of trump. People smooth out and forget the bad stuff he did just because Trump is so much worse. GW Bush was and is still terrible, I don't think he deserves to have a higher rank.
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53143764]Interesting bonus question [t]https://i.imgur.com/cPm8FDT.png[/t][/QUOTE] obama feels like a joke on that list honestly. i'd support f roosevelt or eisenhower, but i'm not american.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53143799]Ew, no. That bastard shouldn't get any honors for how he treated his own citizens.[/QUOTE] You're talking about FDR and the internment camps, right?
Why is reagan top 10 lol.
[QUOTE=01271;53143845]Why is reagan top 10 lol.[/QUOTE] cut unemployment and increased growth
Trump's the best! Nobody is best at being the worse than him! I'm honestly interested to see how he reacts. You know his ego won't keep him quiet on this.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;53143869]Trump's the best! Nobody is best at being the worse than him! I'm honestly interested to see how he reacts. You know his ego won't keep him quiet on this.[/QUOTE] biased libcuck scholars
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;53143836]You're talking about FDR and the internment camps, right?[/QUOTE] Yep. And how the US government put its fingers in its ears and went lalala until Reagan to finally discuss it. Not to mention that FDR did nothing to go after the bankers that caused the crash, and quietly let segregation continue in order to gain brownie points. FDR was a shit person and a shit president. If there is a hell, he’s there, and I hope he has to take the stairs
[QUOTE=Cabbage;53143862]cut unemployment and increased growth[/QUOTE] That and our military would of been absolutely just peanuts without him
[QUOTE=01271;53143845]Why is reagan top 10 lol.[/QUOTE] For some reason people still look at Reagan as some beacon of light in the darkness that was the 80s, despite the fact that his short term (and potentially addled) thinking have fucked this country for decades to come. I've already brought up how [URL="http://sites.psu.edu/psy533wheeler/2017/02/08/u01-ronald-reagan-and-the-federal-deinstitutionalization-of-mentally-ill-patients/comment-page-1/"]he cut funding for mental health institutions[/URL], but let's not forget Just Say No, his lack of concern for the AIDS crisis and fucking Reaganomics. I get his general attitude made him popular, much like how Trump's cult of personality is functioning, but I cannot respect anyone who genuinely thinks Reagan was the right answer for American politics. As far as I'm concerned, the problems with the GOP that continue to shit on our government system may not have started with him, but he made them stick.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;53143800]Obama's legacy is going to be super fascinating to observe going forward. He dealt with a lot of difficult situations, has a pretty solid list of achievements under his belt, and is in the top 5 most charismatic human beings ever imo. I'll always wonder what he could and would have done with his power if there wasn't so much gridlock and obstructionist GOP sludge bogging down his administration. Regardless, I think being adjacent to currently who's considered as the worst president in US history is going to do him a lot of favors.[/QUOTE] If there's anything left to remember him that is. Trump and Co seem hellbent on retracting everything Obama did.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53143924]For some reason people still look at Reagan as some beacon of light in the darkness that was the 80s, despite the fact that his short term (and potentially addled) thinking have fucked this country for decades to come. I've already brought up how [URL="http://sites.psu.edu/psy533wheeler/2017/02/08/u01-ronald-reagan-and-the-federal-deinstitutionalization-of-mentally-ill-patients/comment-page-1/"]he cut funding for mental health institutions[/URL], but let's not forget Just Say No, his lack of concern for the AIDS crisis and fucking Reaganomics. [/QUOTE] Iran-Contra was also the biggest scandal since Watergate.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53143904]Yep. And how the US government put its fingers in its ears and went lalala until Reagan to finally discuss it. Not to mention that FDR did nothing to go after the bankers that caused the crash, and quietly let segregation continue in order to gain brownie points. FDR was a shit person and a shit president. If there is a hell, he’s there, and I hope he has to take the stairs[/QUOTE] FDR's Supreme Court packing scheme was garbage, but FDR is super popular, ranked only behind Washington and Lincoln. Most would probably say his presidency is what held the US together and led the way to the US becoming a global superpower. He'll probably become/is a sort of mythological figure like Washington and Lincoln as well.
Why is LBJ lower than Obama? I like Obama but LBJ did shit tons at home, especially for civil rights. People blame him for Vietnam even though it wasn't his fault really, shit was escalating rapidly way before he stepped into the WH to the point it was inevitable. He was a good president and a good man. edit: Holy fuck he's lower than fucking [i] Reagan. [/i] not cool..
[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53143936]FDR's Supreme Court packing scheme was garbage, but FDR is super popular, ranked only behind Washington and Lincoln. Most would probably say his presidency is what held the US together and led the way to the US becoming a global superpower. He'll probably become/is a sort of mythological figure like Washington and Lincoln as well.[/QUOTE] Yeah no. It was Truman that solidified America as a power near the end of WWII and past it. FDR was a worthless sack of garbage who probably hurt America more than he helped in the long run
While he wasn't the worst president by any means (far from it), it feels weird seeing Truman wrestle around the top 5 on both the Democratic and Republican sides when he has the worst Gallup approval polling done at 22% approval at one point, while also having the lowest Gallup average before Trump since it began 80 years ago.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53143942]Why is LBJ lower than Obama? I like Obama but LBJ did shit tons at home, especially for civil rights. People blame him for Vietnam even though it wasn't his fault really, shit was escalating rapidly way before he stepped into the WH to the point it was inevitable. He was a good president and a good man.[/QUOTE] He was also pretty weird, he would whip out his junk (named Jumbo) to the media, one time he took the press to his Texas ranch and pissed on his marked grave site. And he had a special amphibious car and would scare the shit out of people by not telling them it could float and would speed in to lakes :v:
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53143942]Why is LBJ lower than Obama? I like Obama but LBJ did shit tons at home, especially for civil rights. People blame him for Vietnam even though it wasn't his fault really, shit was escalating rapidly way before he stepped into the WH to the point it was inevitable. He was a good president and a good man. edit: Holy fuck he's lower than fucking [i] Reagan. [/i] not cool..[/QUOTE] The [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers]Pentagon Papers[/url] probably didn't help
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53143948]Yeah no. It was Truman that solidified America as a power near the end of WWII and past it. FDR was a worthless sack of garbage who probably hurt America more than he helped in the long run[/QUOTE] This is hyperbolic.
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