Man charged in Birmingham detective's beating; outrage follows support of attack on social media - Polidicks

[quote]A Center Point man with a violent past is now charged with attempted murder in the pistol-whipping of a Birmingham police detective during a traffic stop Friday morning. Police today identified the suspect as 34-year-old Janard Shamar Cunningham, also known as Janaris Shavar Cunningham. He has at least a half dozen convictions dating back to 1999, and as many arrests in which charges were dismissed during the same time period. Cunningham is charged in the beating of a detective who is a six-year veteran of the force. Authorities said Cunningham stole the detective's gun and then repeatedly hit him in the head until the detective stopped moving.[/quote] [img]http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/width380/img/news_birmingham_impact/photo/18500938-large.jpg[/img] [img]http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/width380/img/news_birmingham_impact/photo/18500939-large.jpg[/img] [quote]Birmingham police Sgt. Heath Boackle, president of the Fraternal Order of Police. "If the tables were turned, and that was a suspect lying there, they would be rioting."[/quote] [url]http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/08/suspect_with_violent_past_char.html[/url]

Those facebook/twitter posts in OP are absolutely disgusting. [quote]Birmingham police Sgt. Heath Boackle, president of the Fraternal Order of Police. "If the tables were turned, and that was a suspect lying there, they would be rioting."[/quote] Couldn't be more true

I don't get why there is such hate for the police and other emergency services around the world. Yes there are some bad police officers and whatnot but those are few and far between compared to the good ones. Hell, in Sweden some people even try and stop the fire fighters from doing their jobs, forcing them to have police escorts. I don't get what goes through these people's minds. They exist to help us. [QUOTE=Complifused;48424941]Those facebook/twitter posts in OP are absolutely disgusting. Couldn't be more true[/QUOTE] No doubt about it.

I don't get why Lamar consistently posts threads solely for the purpose of baiting people and deriding BLM protests. The officer said that "they would be rioting" if that was a suspect lying there. No shit. This guy assaulted an officer, he's arrested, he's going to jail, it's over with. If it was the suspect lying there, and the cop was the one who pistol-whipped him, the cop would almost certainly get desked for a few weeks and that'd be it. That said, the people encouraging this are fucking absolute morons and should be mocked for their idiocy.

People will probably still be mad about the attacker being charged and would rather him walk free. The blind hatred some people have for any person in a position of authority is getting a bit ridiculous.

[QUOTE=nox;48424996]People will probably still be mad about the attacker being charged.[/QUOTE] I doubt it, he's a repeat offender for over 16 years with at least 6 convictions, mostly for robbery and assault along with breaking and entering.

[QUOTE=nox;48424996]People will probably still be mad about the attacker being charged and would rather him walk free.[/QUOTE] No doubt, there are already countless people on Twitter blindly defending Tyrone Harris, who was shot by police after he opened fire on them last night in Ferguson. The Black Lives Matter movement still blindly defends Michael Brown even though there's no denying that he was a criminal who was killed in self defense.

It's funny because somebody whose profession is to try and make his country a better place almost got bludgeoned to death in broad daylight by a clearly fucked up person. The latter is clearly the cinnamon roll. Never change, social media.

The guy did this in fucking broad daylight too. I'm going there for uni again soon, this makes me a little paranoid

Saddening that people who claim to be progressive and want to make this country better cheer when a officer is nearly beaten to death. But when tables are turned around they want to riot based on the most inaccurate photo or information. They claim they want to stop the hate but continue to spread it themselves. Just makes me disappointed, there are so many issues out there and we're literally fighting over crumbs while the people who are actually responsible make off with the entire pie.

[QUOTE=Complifused;48424941]Couldn't be more true[/QUOTE] I don't think there's anything wrong with people being more angry when a police officer whom is paid to protect assaults someone with arms given to them by the state, than when some crazed freak does it in his own time with stolen weaponry. But yeah people who are happy an officer was beaten are horrible.

Wait, this was in Roebuck? Shit, I hadn't heard. Kinda makes sense though when you go only a few miles up the road. Hope he recovers well.

Why aren't the shitistic commentators tracked down and removed yet

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48424985]I don't get why Lamar consistently posts threads solely for the purpose of baiting people and deriding BLM protests.[/QUOTE]I don't know why either but... [QUOTE=.Isak.;48424985]The officer said that "they would be rioting" if that was a suspect lying there. No shit. This guy assaulted an officer, he's arrested, he's going to jail, it's over with. If it was the suspect lying there, and the cop was the one who pistol-whipped him, the cop would almost certainly get desked for a few weeks and that'd be it.[/QUOTE]Your argument is essentially "don't talk about it okay, #notallBLMprotestors okay???" Hahaha, [i]no.[/i] I recall saying over a year ago (almost certain it was on here) that this was going to escalate to brazen attacks on cops and I'm pretty sure it was you who said I was both racist and delusional. Well look where we are now! I'm just waiting for everyday white people who [i]aren't[/i] cops to get gunned down in broad daylight for being white. When that happens are we just supposed to not talk about that? Just sort of quietly acknowledge it and then never speak of that one of many times a black guy killed (or tried to kill) somebody because of a fucking twitter hashtag? I think it's really fucking insulting to the millions of black dudes who don't go around trying to commit murder if you don't point at these people and call them out for what they're doing. Maybe there are a lot of posts from Lamar about "baiting" people to mock BLM protestors but it's not like there's any fucking shortage of ammunition to do that in the first place. I'm going to make another prediction: all this #blacklivesmatter shit is going to spectacularly backfire and turn people towards bigotry. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48424985]That said, the people encouraging this are fucking absolute morons and should be mocked for their idiocy.[/QUOTE]By the way, this absolutely contradicts everything you [i]just[/i] said. [editline]10th August 2015[/editline] I think you need to accept that the BLM movement has been hijacked and it's quickly becoming an anti-police, anti-white racist movement. There are ways to fight racism, see, but this definitely is not one of those ways. [editline]10th August 2015[/editline] To be clear I am aware that the guy didn't attack the detective because "BLM!11" but come the fuck on, this shit lit the fuck up on social media with the hashtag and now this incident is married with the movement.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48425637]I don't know why either but... Your argument is essentially "don't talk about it okay, #notallBLMprotestors okay???" Hahaha, [i]no.[/i] I recall saying over a year ago (almost certain it was on here) that this was going to escalate to brazen attacks on cops and I'm pretty sure it was you who said I was both racist and delusional. Well look where we are now! I'm just waiting for everyday white people who [i]aren't[/i] cops to get gunned down in broad daylight for being white. When that happens are we just supposed to not talk about that? Just sort of quietly acknowledge it and then never speak of that one of many times a black guy killed (or tried to kill) somebody because of a fucking twitter hashtag? I think it's really fucking insulting to the millions of black dudes who don't go around trying to commit murder if you don't point at these people and call them out for what they're doing. Maybe there are a lot of posts from Lamar about "baiting" people to mock BLM protestors but it's not like there's any fucking shortage of ammunition to do that in the first place. I'm going to make another prediction: all this #blacklivesmatter shit is going to spectacularly backfire and turn people towards bigotry. By the way, this absolutely contradicts everything you [i]just[/i] said. [editline]10th August 2015[/editline] I think you need to accept that the BLM movement has been hijacked and it's quickly becoming an anti-police, anti-white racist movement. There are ways to fight racism, see, but this definitely is not one of those ways. [editline]10th August 2015[/editline] To be clear I am aware that the guy didn't attack the detective because "BLM!11" but come the fuck on, this shit lit the fuck up on social media with the hashtag and now this incident is married with the movement.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying #NotAllBLMProtestors at all. I'm saying that there's a significant difference between a police officer (of any race) killing or assaulting a citizen and a citizen (of any race) assaulting a police officer. I'm trying to make a distinction that people here rarely want to make - that an authority figure using his authority to get away with abuse, brutality, or even murder is [i]significantly worse than[/i] a career criminal being a career criminal. One of those people is arrested and jailed. The other is not - they are put on administrative leave until the buddy-system of the courts and the police decide not to indict. Repeatedly. Over and over, despite insane evidence in many cases. If you're going to become a racist because some dumb people say dumb shit using a public hashtag that absolutely anyone with an internet connection can use, you're already a racist and a bigot. If you're going to say "fucking black people assaulting cops they're all fucking stupid rioters and thugs," you're already an enormous bigot and you're just using articles like this and idiots like the commenters on Twitter to back up your views. I vehemently disagree that BLM is anti-white. Anti-police, absolutely, with good reason. You're looking at articles posted for the sole reason of discrediting the BLM movement. You're not researching. You're not looking into the Ferguson DOJ reports that show it running as a de-facto debt prison with a ~97% black arrest rate. You're ignoring that and saying "But a black guy pistol-whipped a cop and some people on the internet defended it, it's anti-white and anti-police!" I could go on Twitter right now and tweet "Death to all men, feminism SJW master race, kill the jews, fuck gypsies, gamergate is about rape politics, black lives don't matter, islam should be nuked #blacklivesmatter" Whoa, my opinions are now "married to the movement." Guess it's time to drop BLM and Gamergate, they're antisemitic and racist and anti-islam and anti-men! [editline]10th August 2015[/editline] Also, that contradicted absolutely nothing I said. I think the people celebrating this are fucking morons - I'm not celebrating it and I think people that are are complete idiots. I said that police abusing their power to abuse others is a more significant issue than a career criminal assaulting somebody. I didn't defend the guy in any way.

[QUOTE=Complifused;48424941]Couldn't be more true[/QUOTE] Well, it could. As outrageous as this attack is, police are entrusted a higher level of authority and responsibility than a civilian and abuse of that power is a more serious issue. That being said hopefully they catch this guy and put him in prison, there's no excuse for an unprovoked attack like this, and grabbing a police officers firearm is probably a pretty serious offense on it's own.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;48425842]Well, it could. As outrageous as this attack is, police are entrusted a higher level of authority and responsibility than a civilian and abuse of that power is a more serious issue. That being said hopefully they catch this guy and put him in prison, there's no excuse for an unprovoked attack like this, and grabbing a police officers firearm is probably a pretty serious offense on it's own.[/QUOTE] Nailed it. This guy's a dumbass, the people supporting him are dumbasses, but using this to try to "discount" the BLM movement and the fact that police are routinely abusing their authority and that there exists a level of collaboration between law enforcement officer, prosecutors, and judges. Especially in Ferguson, where they ran a for-profit ticketing/minor offense arrest scheme that led to enormous profits for the city while simultaneously handing half the city warrants for arrest for things like jay-walking and loitering.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48425783]I'm trying to make a distinction that people here rarely want to make - that an authority figure using his authority to get away with abuse, brutality, or even murder is [i]significantly worse than[/i] a career criminal being a career criminal.[/QUOTE]And I'm saying that there isn't any distinction for BLM folks because they're universally fucking retarded. You can say there is a distinction and for rational and intelligent people of course there fucking is, but literally people are supporting a career criminal and trying to justify what he did. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48425783]If you're going to become a racist because some dumb people say dumb shit using a public hashtag that absolutely anyone with an internet connection can use, you're already a racist and a bigot. If you're going to say "fucking black people assaulting cops they're all fucking stupid rioters and thugs," you're already an enormous bigot and you're just using articles like this and idiots like the commenters on Twitter to back up your views.[/QUOTE]lol somehow I have this [i]odd feeling[/i] that you're calling me a bigot right now. I'm not going to apologize for calling it as I see it, I think this is going to deepen any racial divide that already exists in this country. Of course you've gone for the low-hanging fruit and claimed that I'm just using internet comments that I'm sure you're convinced are far and few in between normal, rational responses and I really can't argue against that. At this point anything I say contrary to your preconceptions about me will be dismissed so I'm not going to fight you on it. You can heavily imply I'm a racist for acknowledging what should be obvious to anyone and calling anyone who changes their opinion "already a bigot" all you want, if it makes you feel better I guess that's okay because I really don't care. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48425783]I vehemently disagree that BLM is anti-white. Anti-police, absolutely, with good reason. You're looking at articles posted for the sole reason of discrediting the BLM movement. You're not researching. You're not looking into the Ferguson DOJ reports that show it running as a de-facto debt prison with a ~97% black arrest rate. You're ignoring that and saying "But a black guy pistol-whipped a cop and some people on the internet defended it, it's anti-white and anti-police!"[/QUOTE]Oh, so when a cop evacuates the brains of a thug [i]who happens to be black[/i] doing thug things we should just ignore that and focus on all these scary numbers instead? Pretty fucking sure this didn't happen in Ferguson so I don't know why I should be looking at the arrest rate of a city in [i]Missouri[/i] when this happened in a city in [i]Alabama.[/i] See I don't understand why I can't go "well this is all connected!" and you say it's all unrelated but you want me to acknowledge that cops are racist everywhere when really they're not. Then again you just called me racist for saying that BLM is going to probably make white people very distrustful of black people because shit like this has tacit support from people entirely unrelated to the situation. I mean that's pretty much the meat and potatoes of sensationalism and I don't know if you've noticed but this country feeds on sensationalist bullshit. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48425783]I could go on Twitter right now and tweet "Death to all men, feminism SJW master race, kill the jews, fuck gypsies, gamergate is about rape politics, black lives don't matter, islam should be nuked #blacklivesmatter" Whoa, my opinions are now "married to the movement." Guess it's time to drop BLM and Gamergate, they're antisemitic and racist and anti-islam and anti-men![/QUOTE]I mean you started out strong and now... I just don't know what you're doing, BLM has nothing to do with Islam, feminism, SJWs, misandry, antisemitism, gamergate, or anything else... I really don't feel like explaining why this entire chunk of your post doesn't make any sense so I'm just going to stop here.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48426067]And I'm saying that there isn't any distinction for BLM folks because they're universally fucking retarded. You can say there is a distinction and for rational and intelligent people of course there fucking is, but literally people are supporting a career criminal and trying to justify what he did. lol somehow I have this [i]odd feeling[/i] that you're calling me a bigot right now. I'm not going to apologize for calling it as I see it, I think this is going to deepen any racial divide that already exists in this country. Of course you've gone for the low-hanging fruit and claimed that I'm just using internet comments that I'm sure you're convinced are far and few in between normal, rational responses and I really can't argue against that. At this point anything I say contrary to your preconceptions about me will be dismissed so I'm not going to fight you on it. You can heavily imply I'm a racist for acknowledging what should be obvious to anyone and calling anyone who changes their opinion "already a bigot" all you want, if it makes you feel better I guess that's okay because I really don't care. Oh, so when a cop evacuates the brains of a thug [i]who happens to be black[/i] doing thug things we should just ignore that and focus on all these scary numbers instead? Pretty fucking sure this didn't happen in Ferguson so I don't know why I should be looking at the arrest rate of a city in [i]Missouri[/i] when this happened in a city in [i]Alabama.[/i] See I don't understand why I can't go "well this is all connected!" and you say it's all unrelated but you want me to acknowledge that cops are racist everywhere when really they're not. Then again you just called me racist for saying that BLM is going to probably make white people very distrustful of black people because shit like this has tacit support from people entirely unrelated to the situation. I mean that's pretty much the meat and potatoes of sensationalism and I don't know if you've noticed but this country feeds on sensationalist bullshit. I mean you started out strong and now... I just don't know what you're doing, BLM has nothing to do with Islam, feminism, SJWs, misandry, antisemitism, gamergate, or anything else... I really don't feel like explaining why this entire chunk of your post doesn't make any sense so I'm just going to stop here.[/QUOTE] Saying that BLM protestors are "universally fucking retarded" is about as fucking retarded as you can get. It's the [i]exact same logic[/i] as the people saying "cops are all fucking pigs." Exactly the fucking same. I'm amazed you're not seeing the hypocrisy. I'm a BLM supporter, so saying that I'm a part of this group of "universally fucking retarded" people is insulting and honestly dismissive of my opinions and the opinions of anyone else who supports the movement. I have expressed nothing but outrage and distaste towards the people who are supporting this guy. Stop pretending they're representative of BLM as a whole. They aren't. I'm [i]absolutely[/i] calling you a bigot. Forming your opinions on an entire race of people based on fucking internet comments and then dismissing an entire movement and everyone in that movement because some idiots say stuff while under the banner is absolute bigotry. I like to use Gamergate as an example in these threads because Facepunch is generally supportive of Gamergate. I'm supportive of Gamergate. This exact thing happened to GG - it was labeled as a sexist group. People said "but we're not, stop misrepresenting us, we actually want to stop bad journalism!" and people ignored it. This is the same fucking thing, except instead of bad journalism it's police brutality. You're dismissing the entire thing because there's some people being racist and some people being absolute idiots. The parallels between the media reception of the two are incredibly clear. The issue is not that [i]cops[/i] are racist. The issue is that the system is set up in a way that cops get away with racist actions. Nobody thinks every single cop is a racist - we think that the "thin blue line" and the system of brotherhood leads to false testimonies and allows police officers, racist or not, to get away with murder and abuse. We think that the prosecutor and the law enforcement being all buddy-buddy is a very bad thing. We think that internal investigations are fucking ludicrous and an external investigation service needs to be called in to cover suspicious deaths or cases of abuse. If BLM makes white people distasteful towards black people, [B]good[/B]. At least they're admitting their own racism instead of saying "I only hate niggers not black people!" That's a phrase I've heard several times in my life from people who self-admittedly "love black people." I'd rather have a bunch of outspoken bigots alienating themselves from the public than have a bunch of quiet racists thinking they're in the right.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48426159]Saying that BLM protestors are "universally fucking retarded" is about as fucking retarded as you can get. It's the [i]exact same logic[/i] as the people saying "cops are all fucking pigs." Exactly the fucking same.[/QUOTE]You're right, I'm being hypocritical here. I apologize for that. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48426159]I'm a BLM supporter, so saying that I'm a part of this group of "universally fucking retarded" people is insulting and honestly dismissive of my opinions and the opinions of anyone else who supports the movement.[/QUOTE]oh Well this is awkward. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48426159]I'm [i]absolutely[/i] calling you a bigot. Forming your opinions on an entire race of people based on fucking internet comments and then dismissing an entire movement and everyone in that movement because some idiots say stuff while under the banner is absolute bigotry.[/QUOTE]Except your #blacklivesmatter shit is not representative of all African-Americans and their opinions much less all people of African descent in the entire world. My opinion of them remains unchanged in spite of all the stupid shit BLM protestors do. I know this bothers the [i]fuck[/i] out of you, but race isn't a big issue for me when I'm interacting with people. I'm not sorry for that, I just don't see the big deal with race. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48426159]If BLM makes white people distasteful towards black people, [B]good[/B]. At least they're admitting their own racism instead of saying "I only hate niggers not black people!" That's a phrase I've heard several times in my life from people who self-admittedly "love black people." I'd rather have a bunch of outspoken bigots alienating themselves from the public than have a bunch of quiet racists thinking they're in the right.[/QUOTE]lol okay, okay, I can't do this anymore. I'm sorry I made you mad buddy but this is too much. Thanks for admitting what I suspected all along.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48426261]You're right, I'm being hypocritical here. I apologize for that. oh Well this is awkward. Except your #blacklivesmatter shit is not representative of all African-Americans and their opinions much less all people of African descent in the entire world. My opinion of them remains unchanged in spite of all the stupid shit BLM protestors do. I know this bothers the [i]fuck[/i] out of you, but race isn't a big issue for me when I'm interacting with people. I'm not sorry for that, I just don't see the big deal with race. lol okay, okay, I can't do this anymore. I'm sorry I made you mad buddy but this is too much. Thanks for admitting what I suspected all along.[/QUOTE] See, the problem with "not seeing race" is that you end up ignoring racial issues. You end up not noticing some pretty blatant racism. It's a neat idea, being "colorblind," but in reality it just means that when stuff like the Chicago Black Site pops up you pay less attention to it. It means that when a black person is questioned and searched for walking around with a hoodie on at night, you don't notice a difference between how it would happen to a white person. I've personally seen some astoundingly blatant stuff - my town is full of rich white doctors and poor black people. Bunch of white guys and an Asian kid smoking weed in a car while driving? Cop ignores the smell and warns you for a tail light being out. Couple black kids driving around with a single white guy? Exit the vehicle, sir. This has happened to me. I'm getting too heated, and I apologize for that. I'm passionate about this topic and when people dismiss the entire thing as "racism on par with the KKK" (as said in another thread) it rubs me the complete wrong way because I know for a fact that they're completely misinformed. I'm also not the best at expressing my opinions clearly, especially through text, so it makes it too easy for me to misrepresent my own points of view. Sorry for any confusion.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48426159]If BLM makes white people distasteful towards black people, [B]good[/B].[/QUOTE] Are you crazy? You want more racial divisions in this country? What's that going to accomplish?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48426440]Are you crazy? You want more racial divisions in this country? What's that going to accomplish?[/QUOTE] Anyone who decides racism is okay because they saw black people doing stuff they disagreed with is already racist. I very much doubt that any reasonable people will look at Black Lives Matter and say "what a bunch of dickweeds I guess black people really are all brainless subhuman apes!" I don't want racial division to increase. I'm saying that if someone is already at the point where some black people rioting makes them view blacks as subhuman scum, they're already racist.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48426493]I don't want racial division to increase. I'm saying that if someone is already at the point where some black people rioting makes them view blacks as subhuman scum, they're already racist.[/QUOTE] Yes those people are racist, so I don't see what your point is?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48426669]Yes those people are racist, so I don't see what your point is?[/QUOTE] Because somehow open racism is better then indirect and potentially un-intentional racism.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48426417]See, the problem with "not seeing race" is that you end up ignoring racial issues. You end up not noticing some pretty blatant racism.[/QUOTE]When your entire life is focused on the differences and noticing everything around you as a race, gender, political, religious, or some other issue then you don't connect with anyone. That's my problem with supposed "anti-racists," "social justice warriors," and hyper-progressive types because they make a colorblind world impossible to live in. That's my big problem with #blacklivesmatter, fuck, it's the reason why ISIS gets recruits: there is tacit and unapologetic support for bad things and the people surrounding the supporters refuse to call them out on it. I know why people [i]don't[/i] do it, it's socially easier to let that shit slide and just pretend like it doesn't happen. So even though there are a small number of people who [i]encourage[/i] this, there's a greater number of people who [i]support[/i] it and an even greater still number who are [i]okay[/i] with it. Extremism gains followers because at-risk individuals are exposed to ideas or concepts that play on their beliefs and entice them into joining what they believe is an acceptable cause or action. That's why there's copycat murders, an increase in spree killings after media sensationalizes a mass shooting, and it's how terrorist and insurgent groups and factions gain followers. This isn't binary (and you apologized for seeing it as binary, a common mistake and I don't hold it against you) but rather it's a gradual scale that could best be described as zero being sane and ten being absolutely fucking bonkers. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that there isn't systematic racism in this country. That would be a lie, of course there is and you've experienced it first-hand as have I. See, it's not that I don't notice the blatant racism, I just refuse to participate. I can also look at everything with the same lens, I see obvious racism in the BLM movement precisely because I refuse to play society's little games. You're [i]all[/i] held to the same strict standard, and honestly for some people (especially the self-labeled SJW who has a problem dealing with adversity) this is an extremely scary concept. Yeah I acknowledge that probably the lion's share of [i]active[/i] BLM supporters aren't complete fucking morons, but they're definitely not the majority here. It's an open-ended movement that is fluid and has no real boundaries besides "well this is about supporting black people." So when somebody vandalizes something in the name of BLM, or kills somebody because BLM is trending on twitter, it's the responsibility of people like you to hand them their ass or else you're part of the group who's [i]okay[/i] with violent extremism. There have been a lot of social movements and revolutions that have been dragged down by unwanted elements in history, you haven't heard of most of them because they died in obscurity because they tolerated shitheads and fuckups that turned popular support against them. Racism in BLM is a very, very real thing. Looking in from the outside and seeing it's effects, I'm telling you right now that it's got far too many ignorant bigots and they're growing in number. [QUOTE=.Isak.;48426417]I'm also not the best at expressing my opinions clearly, especially through text, so it makes it too easy for me to misrepresent my own points of view. Sorry for any confusion.[/QUOTE]I forgive you, it's okay.

[QUOTE=Complifused;48424941]Those facebook/twitter posts in OP are absolutely disgusting.[/QUOTE] Facebook and Twitter are the most mainstream social media websites in existence at the moment, hence they attract a very large number of vocal idiots who use them to share their retarded opinions and beliefs with each other and to broadcast their chronic cases of unwarranted self-importance to the world. At least Facebook is more personal. That way you can call people out on their bullshit on an intimate level. You can make their lives hell when they deserve it. I really think we need to start going after people who behave this way more often than we do, if not on a formal legal level then on a more vigilantist level. I don't care that you're a human being and that you have opinions and feelings; if you honestly believe that this detective who was doing his job deserved to be beaten and treated this way, you deserve to be punished-- horribly if necessary. Because your sense of right and wrong is wrong. As for Cunningham, he's got no business being out in the world amongst the rest of us. If we don't execute him (which I'd be fine with as a preventative measure; he's going to kill someone with this behavior of his eventually), then he needs to be isolated in prison for the rest of his life. This is ridiculous. He's got a rap sheet a mile long and has repeatedly demonstrated he's human garbage-- why are we still tolerating him?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48426669]Yes those people are racist, so I don't see what your point is?[/QUOTE] It's a pretty simple point really. If you can get bigots to fuck up and expose themselves then we can tell them, collectively, sit the fuck down and listen/ shut it for a bit. Racism being exposed is never a negative thing as it means we can actually attempt to find a solution to the problem rather than pretending it doesn't exist. Out of sight, out of mind really isn't applicable here. That's why shit's gotten to this point. [editline]11th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48426810]When your entire life is focused on the differences and noticing everything around you as a race, gender, political, religious, or some other issue then you don't connect with anyone.[/QUOTE] I think you missed the point a bit here. Isak explained quite well how being colourblind is not the solution to the problems we have currently. Society as a whole would have to actually look at the world this way for it to even be feasible, and until you actually solve the issues of systemic and general racism that just isn't going to happen. And the only way to effectively identify racism is to look at groups of people based on, you guessed it, their race! This absurd rhetoric of "omg ur the racist for even takin race into account!!!" is getting fucking absurd. Which right-wing think tank pushed this nonsense into the public sphere of thought? It's quite a recent development so I wanna know who fucking seeded this shit. It is not racist to take race into account when race is a reason you're having to look at a problem in the first place. At the level systemic racism occurs it is nigh-impossible to bring it down to the individual level, you must look at a population, and that will involve dividing them based on certain factors that appear to play a role in their current affairs.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48426942]I think you missed the point a bit here. Isak explained quite well how being colourblind is not the solution to the problems we have currently. Society as a whole would have to actually look at the world this way for it to even be feasible, and until you actually solve the issues of systemic and general racism that just isn't going to happen. And the only way to effectively identify racism is to look at groups of people based on, you guessed it, their race![/QUOTE]No, I understood his point. You misunderstand mine though, you can't solve the issues of systemic and general racism if you don't first apply these principles on an individual level. This ass-backwards "well you gotta make society listen first" concept is [i]exactly[/i] the problem, it's never worked for anything else and it's fairly obvious that it isn't working now. Society is dictated by the opinions and beliefs of individuals so no thanks to all of that. I'll keep doing what I'm doing because my life is pretty enjoyable as-is, and frankly I'm not going to kowtow to a broken philosophy perpetuated by condescending people who dismiss me as some right-wing drone because I see things differently:[QUOTE=hexpunK;48426942]This absurd rhetoric of "omg ur the racist for even takin race into account!!!" is getting fucking absurd. Which right-wing think tank pushed this nonsense into the public sphere of thought? It's quite a recent development so I wanna know who fucking seeded this shit.[/QUOTE] [editline]10th August 2015[/editline] Oh and it's not a "recent development" because my grandfather had been saying it for as long as I could remember. It went right along with his religious views, so I'm not even sure what the fuck you're talking about.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48427087]No, I understood his point. You misunderstand mine though, you can't solve the issues of systemic and general racism if you don't first apply these principles on an individual level. This ass-backwards "well you gotta make society listen first" concept is [i]exactly[/i] the problem, it's never worked for anything else and it's fairly obvious that it isn't working now. Society is dictated by the opinions and beliefs of individuals so no thanks to all of that.[/QUOTE] And how do you apply "colour blindness" on an individual level? You need to convince everyone to be colour blind after all (a society wide change!), and convincing individuals to stop being racist fucks isn't going to be easy when certain races are still considerably worse off, and when people are fucking idiots. People still assume black people in the States are more likely to be criminals, hence the massive jail and prison population in comparison to the population. How would being colour blind solve the currently ongoing problem? How would you convince someone to ignore race if they already have the preconceived notion that "black people wanna steal my shit more"? Also don't take the "right wing think tank" part of that as a personal attack against you. It's an attack on the "omg ur racists for callin me racists" kind of shit arguments that have been appearing a fucking ton recently. Too many people are using it for it to be remotely a "original idea" and I'm just hella interested in finding out where the fuck it started.