[url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-democrats-wave-could-turn-into-a-flood/[/url]
[quote]A new CNN survey released this week showed Democrats leading Republicans by an astounding 56 percent to 38 percent on the generic congressional ballot. That’s an 18 percentage point lead among registered voters — a record-breaking result. No other survey taken in November or December in the year before a midterm has found the majority party in the House down by that much since at least the 1938 cycle (as far back as I have data).
And while the CNN poll is a bit of an outlier, the Democratic advantage in the FiveThirtyEight generic ballot aggregate is up to about 12 points, 49.6 percent to 37.4 percent. That average, like the CNN poll, also shows Republicans in worse shape right now than any other majority party at this point in the midterm cycle since at least the 1938 election.[/quote]
TLDR the amount of shit coming the GOP's way in 2018 may be unprecedented in US history
Watch as young people see this news and think "Oh that means I don't have to vote!"
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;53001334]Watch as young people see this news and think "Oh that means I don't have to vote!"[/QUOTE]
Given all the spiteful, retarded, corrupt, and simply stupid decisions coming from the GOP and the WH, I think we're well past that point. Better safe than sorry, I think the mentality will be.
So long as they don't pass sweeping 'feel good' gun regulations that rip the firearm out of every American's hands, I won't mind a blue wave for a while.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53001367]So long as they don't pass sweeping 'feel good' gun regulations that rip the firearm out of every American's hands, I won't mind a blue wave for a while.[/QUOTE]
Because democrats from rural states would touch that? Guns aren't really the top tier item on the list
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;53001334]Watch as young people see this news and think "Oh that means I don't have to vote!"[/QUOTE]
Not after the 2016 elections, when the "99% Clinton" easy win turned into a loss. Trump could literally drop out and we'd still see high turnout among under-30s.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;53001334]Watch as [del]young[/del] people see this news and think "Oh that means I don't have to vote!"[/QUOTE]
I think younger people are more aware that their vote is important.
At least the people I talk to are.
Honestly hype about 'the blue wave' is so misplaced its stunning. This kind of attitude is merely going to contribute to this pendulum-like back-and-forth insanity, where every other election season becomes more about shouting a big 'fuck you' to the other side, and its going to lead us to the brink. Frankly, there are many, many deeper issues that affect our world besides the generic bullshit that comes up with democrats vs. republicans, or liberals vs. conservatives.
Here's the thing, [I]if we continue to place all our hopes and dreams for turning our country around into the hands of politicians, we will continue to make little or no meaningful progress.[/I] This isn't a "both parties are equally bad" statement, which is obviously not true, and it's also not a statement that there is some mythical point of centrism that will lead us to prosperity. Rather its a statement that relying on the tired, old model of having a hot-shot savior figure at the head of our government is not going to help us resolve the problems we are facing. We are far beyond a point where one person could hope to ever be able to confront the issues our nation and our world are facing. Don't buy into the politicians-as-saviors model that Donald Trump used in part to con his way into office. Donald Trump obviously isn't making America great again, but we shouldn't think that Democrats riding in on their wave is going to be the panacea for our problems. We need to break away from this way of thinking.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53001367]So long as they don't pass sweeping 'feel good' gun regulations that rip the firearm out of every American's hands, I won't mind a blue wave for a while.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this is one of two things I think the GOP is good for, the other being protecting throaty V8s. Socially and Fiscally the left is right on the money, but as an avid gun owner and gearhead, I'm a bit leery about the [I]far[/I] left getting enough power to ram their side down our throats.
Moderate dems tend to leave guns and cars alone, and they're 100% kopasheeshy in my book. It's just those hardliners that want to ban everything that is even remotely dangerous that grind my gears.
[editline]24th December 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;53001477]Honestly hype about 'the blue wave' is so misplaced its stunning. This kind of attitude is merely going to contribute to this pendulum-like back-and-forth insanity, where every other election season becomes more about shouting a big 'fuck you' to the other side, and its going to lead us to the brink. Frankly, there are many, many deeper issues that affect our world besides the generic bullshit that comes up with democrats vs. republicans, or liberals vs. conservatives.
Here's the thing, [I]if we continue to place all our hopes and dreams for turning our country around into the hands of politicians, we will continue to make little or no meaningful progress.[/I] This isn't a "both parties are equally bad" statement, which is obviously not true, and it's also not a statement that there is some mythical point of centrism that will lead us to prosperity. Rather its a statement that relying on the tired, old model of having a hot-shot savior figure at the head of our government is not going to help us resolve the problems we are facing. We are far beyond a point where one person could hope to ever be able to confront the issues our nation and our world are facing. Don't buy into the politicians-as-saviors model that Donald Trump used in part to con his way into office. Donald Trump obviously isn't making America great again, but we shouldn't think that Democrats riding in on their wave is going to be the panacea for our problems. We need to break away from this way of thinking.[/QUOTE]
So what would you propose, then? Because as far as we can see, the problem is the hard right using their position of power to screw us all over, and breaking the hard right's supermajority over both houses of government is a real damn good way of putting the kibosh on this sort of shit.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53001367]So long as they don't pass sweeping 'feel good' gun regulations that rip the firearm out of every American's hands, I won't mind a blue wave for a while.[/QUOTE]
Jesus Christ the basic right to healthcare, LGBTQ rights, and an impossibly large number of other good things for the American people are more important than the paranoia of the left taking your fucking guns away. Which by the way hasn't happened, it didn't happen under Obama, and it won't ever happen.
[QUOTE=TestECull;53001481]Yeah, this is one of two things I think the GOP is good for, the other being protecting throaty V8s. Socially and Fiscally the left is right on the money, but as an avid gun owner and gearhead, I'm a bit leery about the [I]far[/I] left getting enough power to ram their side down our throats.
Moderate dems tend to leave guns and cars alone, and they're 100% kopasheeshy in my book. It's just those hardliners that want to ban everything that is even remotely dangerous that grind my gears.
[editline]24th December 2017[/editline]
So what would you propose, then? Because as far as we can see, the problem is the hard right using their position of power to screw us all over, and breaking the hard right's supermajority over both houses of government is a real damn good way of putting the kibosh on this sort of shit.[/QUOTE]
The problem is the off-the-spectrum right-wing are 99.9% corporate sellouts and the so called "left" option (more like center-right) of the Democrats are about 90% corporate sellouts. It isn't a right versus left thing plaguing us, it's the system of corruption and legal bribery that's turned the entire government into a kleptocracy.
Democrats in office is obviously better than Republicans in office but that's not really a high bar. They still need their feet held to the fire in running the right kind of candidates, which they will never willingly do because otherwise they don't get paid.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;53001477]
Here's the thing, [I]if we continue to place all our hopes and dreams for turning our country around into the hands of politicians, we will continue to make little or no meaningful progress.[/I] [/QUOTE]
Huh? Who do we put our hope into then? What do we do? You aren't proposing anything solid here.
Basing your political spectrum on "but they might take my toy that goes bang away if I vote for them" is ridiculously childish and not so much shortsighted as gouging your own eyes out.
Your gun culture is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;53001485]Jesus Christ the basic right to healthcare, LGBTQ rights, and an impossibly large number of other good things for the American people are more important than the paranoia of the left taking your fucking guns away. Which by the way hasn't happened, it didn't happen under Obama, and it won't ever happen.[/QUOTE]
Considering California's latest gun law, is he really being that paranoid? And is it wrong to think of personal liberty while trying to improve the general situation of all?
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;53001485]Jesus Christ the basic right to healthcare, LGBTQ rights, and an impossibly large number of other good things for the American people are more important than the paranoia of the left taking your fucking guns away. Which by the way hasn't happened, it didn't happen under Obama, and it won't ever happen.[/QUOTE]
Imagine caring about one issue so much that even as your party has completely sold you up the river and embarrassed our country on a historical level, you're still obsessing over the delusion of the liberal stormtroopers coming for your firearms. Gun control is only a mid-level issue for most Democrats and there's no consensus on the appropriate action to take. In other words, it's hardly on the agenda when compared to the issues listed in the quote above.
I'm very pro-second amendment, to the point where I'd support repealing the NFA and Hughes Amendment, but there is no way in hell I'm not voting straight (D) in local, state, and federal elections for the next 10 years. Maybe some what-if scenario where a decent third party candidate steps up or the Democrats end up becoming as batshit insanely shitty as the Republicans might make me change my mind but at this point my priority is to keep Republican politicians out of as much of our government as I can.
we should bring back "better dead than red"
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53001367]So long as they don't pass sweeping 'feel good' gun regulations that rip the firearm out of every American's hands, I won't mind a blue wave for a while.[/QUOTE]
I love shooting guns, but really, why is "as long as they wont take away our guns" one of the first things mentioned when it seems democrats may become a majority in government? Shouldn't healthcare, infrastructure, and other major things be of more concern? Mention it if theres actually a serious threat to the 2nd amendment, but there really is none at this time.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;53001334]Watch as young people see this news and think "Oh that means I don't have to vote!"[/QUOTE]
I really loathe articles with titles like this for this reason.
Democrats should never, ever "expect" to win an election ever again. 2016 should have been a harsh lesson about that. Hope, and act for it, but do not expect it.
Make articles about when Democrats win, not when they expect to win.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;53001575]I'm very pro-second amendment, to the point where I'd support repealing the NFA and Hughes Amendment, but there is no way in hell I'm not voting straight (D) in local, state, and federal elections for the next 10 years. Maybe some what-if scenario where a decent third party candidate steps up or the Democrats end up becoming as batshit insanely shitty as the Republicans might make me change my mind but at this point my priority is to keep Republican politicians out of as much of our government as I can.[/QUOTE]
Eventually the Baby Boomers will die off and stop being a drain on infrastructure and society, and stop screwing the future over. But as bad as they've been, I'm afraid of the younger generation continuing to tilt toward fascism. The way so many of them are embracing "white nationalism" is terrifying. The 2008 and 2012 elections felt like a struggle over issues of the moment. 2016 felt like a battle over the identity of the country. These upcoming elections feel much more pivotal, with consequences which will define decades ahead of us.
One can hope there aren't any major scandals in the next year that will swing it the other way but it would take one hell of a scandal at this point, meanwhile the more scandals Trump causes the more likely the blue wave will be.
[QUOTE=Reds;53001528]Basing your political spectrum on "but they might take my toy that goes bang away if I vote for them" is ridiculously childish and not so much shortsighted as gouging your own eyes out.
Your gun culture is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I literally grew up being taught that democrats are evil because they will take our guns away and for no other reason. [sp]Ironically my father's conservatism pushed me further left than probably anything else so there's that I guess[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;53001613]Eventually the Baby Boomers will die off and stop being a drain on infrastructure and society, and stop screwing the future over. But as bad as they've been, I'm afraid of the younger generation continuing to tilt toward fascism. The way so many of them are embracing "white nationalism" is terrifying. The 2008 and 2012 elections felt like a struggle over issues of the moment. 2016 felt like a battle over the identity of the country. These upcoming elections feel much more pivotal, with consequences which will define decades ahead of us.[/QUOTE]
I'm terrified that Gen Z will end up being the fascist generation
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;53001485]Jesus Christ the basic right to healthcare, LGBTQ rights, and an impossibly large number of other good things for the American people are more important than the paranoia of the left taking your fucking guns away.[/QUOTE]
Aint paranoia when they keep fuckin' tryin.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;53001556]Considering California's latest gun law, is he really being that paranoid? And is it wrong to think of personal liberty while trying to improve the general situation of all?[/QUOTE]
if it came to that I would rather not have big noisy V8's and have California gun laws be enacted everywhere than lose my health insurance and have taxes so high I couldn't afford those things anyways.
[QUOTE=iownuall;53001631]if it came to that I would rather not have big noisy V8's and have California gun laws be enacted everywhere than lose my health insurance and have taxes so high I couldn't afford those things anyways.[/QUOTE]
Is it really that bad to want both? Hrm? That's all most of us are after. We want all those social pluses, we want universal healthcare, we want good, fair wages and well protected worker's rights, we want well regulated businesses that don't screw us and nickle-and-dime us, but we also want AK47s and Dodge Chargers in our garages. That's not too much to ask. I'm fine with moderate D's because they won't attack the latter two but they'll push for all that other stuff. The extreme left, however? It's when those motherfuckers get into power that those things come under attack, and the extreme left isn't that far off considering what's going on in California and has been going on in California for 30 or 40 years now.
The ideal US politician is a gun totin', muscle car lovin' democrat that's pushing universal healthcare and strong corporate regulation. Gives us what we want, gives us what we need, doesn't take away any of our rights. We can't lose if we elect a couple hundred of those to both houses and one to the white house.
Because countries where gun laws are more strict are [I]so[/I] backwards and repressive, right? Why, down here in Australia, we might as well be living under Stalin! /s
But let's not start this whole shit flinging fight again. If my talks on this forum have taught me anything, it's that there's a certain subset of people from the U.S who believe so firmly that owning guns with very little/no regulation is the only way to be "truly free" that they will defend that position to the very death. There's no need to even go up against that ideal when, as far as I'm aware? The Democrats don't even care that much about guns right now.
This is about Trump's administration and how much damage it's already done to the country. That stupid cheeto-skinned racist monster has done nothing but try and dismantle every good thing the previous administration set in motion (purely out of spite, too. If you told Trump that Obama was responsible for all the clean water in the U.S, he'd probably try to shut down all the water treatment plants.) as well as implement regressive, borderline fascist ideas like trying to ban an entire group of people from enlisting in the military for literally no reason, appointing a known homophobic bible-basher with an agenda to "cure the gays" as his VP, and literally trying to [I]censor the fucking CDC.[/I] Not to mention the GOP pushing to repeal Net Neutrality, and doing such a poor job of it that the entire FCC is now in hot water over some of the dumbest, most obvious fraud I've ever witnessed.
Guns? At this point I don't think any Dem's are in any mood to make enemies. They want to curry as much favour as they can with as many people as they can so that they have a better chance of taking down Trump's bullshit administration. I highly doubt that there'll be some "hyper-liberal" wave of gun regulation that turns a huge portion of the U.S citizenry into unwilling criminals. Y'all can probably chill about your precious guns. Even if somebody anti-gun [I]does[/I] take power, I don't see that particular mindset leaving any time soon. It's been too firmly beaten into the American psyche at this point, and the only way any regulation or meaningful change will happen is slowly and steadily once this whole "Trump attempts to dismantle every good thing the U.S has going for it" thing is over.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;53001485]Jesus Christ the basic right to healthcare, LGBTQ rights, and an impossibly large number of other good things for the American people are more important than the paranoia of the left taking your fucking guns away. Which by the way hasn't happened, it didn't happen under Obama, and it won't ever happen.[/QUOTE]
I love gun rights. But also love those above things more.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;53001645]I dont mind paying 2000 dollars to get an ambulance as long as i can shoot beer cans with my 1911[/QUOTE]
Here's a revolutionary idea: Why can't we have both?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53001657]Here's a revolutionary idea: Why can't we have both?[/QUOTE]
Nobody is trying to say you can't?
This idea that "democrat = anti-gun = I have to vote republican so I can keep my guns!!!" Is a toxic mindset that people like Trump and his cronies will use at every opportunity to get support from people whose idea of freedom isn't complete without the smell of burning gunpowder. The U.S had a democrat in power for 8 years, and there are still guns a'plenty.
What people are saying is "Fucking relax about your goddamn guns and look at the big picture, will you? Nobody's going to come and take your guns away!"
The whole issue with America's gun obsession is something that needs a lot of careful work and discussion so that a compromise can be reached between the people who refuse to accept a "free" country without the ability to own enough firepower to arm a small town, and the people who are saying "hey, maybe we should do something about all these dead people who are getting shot a lot, maybe?" - None of which can take place in a world where President Shit-Gibbon is trying to tell the [B][I]motherfucking CDC[/I][/B] what words it can and can't use. The last thing any Democtratic power worth a damn right now is thinking is "Boy, I can't wait to send out an army of goons to steal everybody's guns! muahahaha!"
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53001657]Here's a revolutionary idea: Why can't we have both?[/QUOTE]
Then vote for someone who represents both interests. If you can't find a viable representative that does, you're going to have to start prioritizing.
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