[quote]Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is recovering after being assaulted at his Kentucky home Friday, joining a growing list of lawmakers who have been injured or threatened with violence this year.
Paul, a second-term senator, suffered a minor injury when he was assaulted at his Warren County, Ky., home Friday afternoon. Kelsey Cooper, Paul’s •Kentucky-based communications director, said in a statement Saturday that the senator “was blindsided and the victim of an assault. The assailant was arrested, and it is now a matter for the police.”[/quote]
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/police-arrest-neighbor-in-assault-of-rand-paul-in-kentucky/2017/11/04/8afdf9a4-c1a1-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html[/url]
Not wanting to support violence.
But the lawmakers who continue to fuck us over need to realize people are getting angry, and if they dont quit their bullshit, their heads are going to be paraded on spikes...
[QUOTE=Uber22;52858355]Not wanting to support violence.
But the lawmakers who continue to fuck us over need to realize people are getting angry, and if they dont quit their bullshit, their heads are going to be paraded on spikes...[/QUOTE]
If people are angry, they can vote them out. Not physically attack them.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52858367]If people are angry, they can vote them out. Not physically attack them.[/QUOTE]
If the system is as rigged as I think it is then that's not really an option, is it?
[QUOTE]Porter said Paul was mowing his lawn and wearing ear plugs Friday afternoon just before the alleged assault. Shortly after stepping off the riding mower to do something in the yard, Paul “got blindsided. He didn’t hear him or see his neighbor come over,” Porter said.
“He hadn’t really talked to his neighbor in years,” Porter said. Although the properties are adjacent, there is a large amount of land between the houses, so the lack of interaction would not be surprising to locals, he added.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like his neighbor walked up and sucker punched him in his yard. The title makes it sound like someone broke in and attacked Paul.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52858367]If people are angry, they can vote them out. Not physically attack them.[/QUOTE]
but when the amount of victims is not sufficient to enact political change you're left with a large group of very pissed off people
[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;52858375]If the system is as rigged as I think it is then that's not really an option, is it?[/QUOTE]
It's Kentucky, a usually GOP-voting state and Rand is a GOP senator.
I have a hard time believing that Rand rigged his way into the Senate.
[editline]5th November 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sableye;52858379]but when the amount of victims is not sufficient to enact political change you're left with a large group of very pissed off people[/QUOTE]
Obviously not a large group if it's too small to get their way in politics?
And how does that justify violence, let alone political violence?
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52858378]Sounds like his neighbor walked up and sucker punched him in his yard. The title makes it sound like someone broke in and attacked Paul.[/QUOTE]
I guess "at" would be a better word than "in"
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52858367]If people are angry, they can vote them out. Not physically attack them.[/QUOTE]
Its tough to vote them out when their districts are gerrymandered as fuck. They designed the system themselves so they can't be voted out.
Physically attacking them should obviously be off the table, but theres really not much else you can do. These guys don't have term limits so they stay in office forever. Strom Thurmand stayed in office until he was 100 years old and was still a self proclaimed racist. The only way these guys get removed from office is if they quit or die.
Are we sure that he was attacked for his political stances and not just because maybe he was an asshole to his neighbor once lol.
[quote]It was unclear whether politics was a motivation for the attack, [/quote]
Uuuuuuuhhhhhh....it's pretty clear just on the context alone that this is politically motivated. The vic is a GOP senator known for spewing backwards nonsense, the political climate is divided and more and more people are being pushed to the limit. I'd be shocked if this [I]wasn't[/I] a political message being sent by someone fed up with the legal channels being so ineffectual.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52858402]Its tough to vote them out when their districts are gerrymandered as fuck. They designed the system themselves so they can't be voted out. [/QUOTE]
Rand Paul is a Senator, it's impossible to gerrymander the Senate
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52858386]It's Kentucky, a usually GOP-voting state and Rand is a GOP senator.
Obviously not a large group if it's too small to get their way in politics?
And how does that justify violence, let alone political violence?[/QUOTE]
if a politician supported policies that disproportionately harmed a select group of individuals and i'm not talking like he took away a tax break but caused dramatic change in their life but they still are too small of a minority to affect change in their political system and the majority refused to even listen to their concerns then what other recourse is there?
the US political system has worked because minorities have had some recourse to break through the majority views before but with absolutist politicians like paul or mcconnell who adamantly refuse and even refute that they're harming the minority group then we have a system where a large but not large enough group believe they are disenfranchised and have no voice in the system
Im not advocating violence but i'm saying that when you shut down channels for people to be heard from then you don't have many other options
[QUOTE=TestECull;52858412]Uuuuuuuhhhhhh....it's pretty clear just on the context alone that this is politically motivated. [/QUOTE]
A suspicion that this is political isn't confirmation that this is political.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52858367]If people are angry, they can vote them out. Not physically attack them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah like when we voted for hillary
[QUOTE=Pascall;52858410]Are we sure that he was attacked for his political stances and not just because maybe he was an asshole to his neighbor once lol.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/04/rand-paul-assault-home-charges-244549[/URL]
[quote]
According to the warrant, Paul was tackled from behind by his neighbor, Rene Boucher, 59, at 3:21 p.m on Friday. The senator was "blindsided" but is "fine," a spokesperson for Paul said.
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lol
[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;52858375]If the system is as rigged as I think it is then that's not really an option, is it?[/QUOTE]
I am quite sad that this post has so many stars. Yes, Rand Paul has pushed some policies with which I vehemently disagree, but democracy only works if we use words and legal acts alone to make arguments. There are plenty of problems with US and British political corruption, but not to the extent that one can claim the votes are made up for senatorial races.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52858495]Correct. But it is possible to sabotage your education system to the point that "trickle down economics" is a valid argument in some people's mind. Its possible to completely fuck over the people without so much as a wimper in some states, because some states have an education system so absolutely fucked up that they legit teach "trickle down economics" and "libritarianism" as absolute truths.
So while he didn't gerrymander his way into the senate, the GOP has effectively cemented themselves as a party, not by merrit, but by fucking over the people to the point that they don't see the forest for the trees.[/QUOTE]
Are you really going to push a conspiracy that the GOP is actively and concertedly getting people to be too stupid to vote anyway other than for themselves?
[editline]5th November 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;52858536]Yeah like when we voted for hillary[/QUOTE]
Senators are voted by popular vote, not by a college of electors.
I guess you want to completely gloss over the party's having embraced trends like birtherism, "alternative facts", and education funding cuts. Are you outright denying that the Republican Party is using disinformation to manipulate potential voters?
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;52858702]I guess you want to completely gloss over the party's having embraced trends like birtherism, "alternative facts", and education funding cuts. Are you outright denying that the Republican Party is using disinformation to manipulate potential voters?[/QUOTE]
They absolutely are, but let's not pretend that the Democrats are innocent of this either. I am staunchly left wing, but am not about to claim that the Democrats have never lied in order to spin victory from certain defeat. The Republicans are worse for this, but I don't think anybody deserves to be physically assaulted for the actions of their party, or even themselves, if their act was in itself legal.
Since when did political violence being viewed disparagingly become a radical notion?
I believe Bill Maher said, in reference to Richard Spencer being punched: "Don't punch anyone, a Nazi or otherwise, for their political views, because they might start punching back." Spencer is an arsehole and kinda deserved it, but rule of law and equality under the constitution is far more important and integral to the United States' DNA than reactionary, partisan political and personal revenge for perceived slights.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52858367]If people are angry, they can vote them out. Not physically attack them.[/QUOTE]
Ah, yes, the system made and modified by the very same people that people want out can surely be trusted.
[editline]5th November 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;52858412]Uuuuuuuhhhhhh....it's pretty clear just on the context alone that this is politically motivated. [/QUOTE]
There's no evidence for it, but it [B]is[/B] scientific fact.
Not refuting anything about the Democratic Party, they're every bit as disgusting. Never said anything about violence. Strictly replying to the idea that the Republicans haven't conspired to make their voters less educated.
Though, I think an important distinction exists between the two parties in that the Democrats aren't actively sabotaging public education. Am I mistaken? This isn't just a thing in Kansas is it?
Violence becomes a more palatable behavior when people feel they have lost control. The prominence of this rhetoric is worrying.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;52858754]Not refuting anything about the Democratic Party, they're every bit as disgusting. Never said anything about violence. Strictly replying to the idea that the Republicans haven't conspired to make their voters less educated.
Though, I think an important distinction exists between the two parties in that the Democrats aren't actively sabotaging public education. Am I mistaken? This isn't just a thing in Kansas is it?[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. I thought you may have agreed with the guy earlier on who seems to believe that this was okay because you should be able to assault people with whom you disagree.
The Republicans are definitely anti-intellectuals, for sure, but I believe that it is more for monetary personal gain than some deep conspiracy to make Americans idiots. For example, they want to spend less on schooling so they can provide tax breaks and get voted back in, and want to refute Climate Change because of all their rich donors.
If it is politically motivated id guess it's more likely that his neighbor watches fox news and knows Paul was one of the senators responsible for helping to kill Donald's healthcare reform attempts because he thought it didn't go to far and iirc he's thinking of trying to kill the tax plan too because it shits on the middle class and gives a shitload to people like Trump. Love Paul or hate him, he actually believes in his libertarian non-sense.
is this the guy that looks like a turtle
[QUOTE=Mr.Moustachio;52858808]is this the guy that looks like a turtle[/QUOTE]
Nah this is the short guy with super curly hair that's the son of Ron Paul.
[QUOTE=Mr.Moustachio;52858808]is this the guy that looks like a turtle[/QUOTE]
That is Mitch McConnell. :)
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52858601]Senators are voted by popular vote, not by a college of electors.[/QUOTE]
Still not much point in voting if you live in a state that's overwhelmingly supportive of the opposing party.
Unless you have a proportional voting system, your vote doesn't necessarily count.
[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/05/rand-paul-assault-broken-ribs-244579[/url]
Rand Paul suffered 5 fractured ribs.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52858367]If people are angry, they can vote them out. Not physically attack them.[/QUOTE]
And then have your vote overruled by a 100:1 margin of voters who are right on the verge of being legally retarded
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