Revisited rules for Facepunch forums for Videos, etc. - General

I apologize if this has been posted before, but I feel it needs mentioning now more than ever. I understand that alongside the development of Rust comes with it the development of a more "professional" forum community. However, this leads to a multitude of problems. Most problems with this come from the various "unspoken rules", such as: The unspoken rule of "Self Advertising". In the videos section, this is heavily enforced by almost all older members, some by watching all of the notorious "join purely for advertising" horrible videos, some by learning from experience, having being banned by such. Whilst some sections of Facepunch are indeed shitholes, I believe the act of banning out of newbie ignorance to be extremely unfair to those who may possibly experience the more quality-laden aspects of the forums. The answer to this problem is quite simple: bring back the "post new thread" warnings, giving warnings regarding the section you're posting in, whether it be Videos, Rust, or any other popular section. The reasoning why is simple as well: it gives an easily read warning to users, as well as lessening the load on most (already) busy moderators.

I like banning out of newbie ignorance. It teaches people to use common sense. If they don't experience the finer aspects of the forums, their fault. If you join just to self-advertise then you don't really deserve to experience these "finer" aspects of the forums. I really dislike people who join a community just to self-advertise, and if they do that then they lose some respect from me. But I suppose you're right in putting the rule somewhere so it's actually a known fact. IIRC mods don't really ban for self-advertising that much either

[QUOTE=t h e;43615597]I like banning out of newbie ignorance. It teaches people to use common sense. [/QUOTE] While I agree for shit like flaming, something like posting ones own videos to promote their channel really isn't "obvious" or "common sense".

[QUOTE=Dermock;43615644]While I agree for shit like flaming, something like posting ones own videos to promote their channel really isn't "obvious" or "common sense".[/QUOTE] It's common sense that advertising isn't wanted.

Added in stone now.

Do we have to act like the shitty official forums for videogames that baby every poster and give warnings and whatnot? This wouldn't help, keep banning the Rust kiddies please.

[QUOTE=Rust Fan!!!;43616531]Do we have to act like the shitty official forums for videogames that baby every poster and give warnings and whatnot? This wouldn't help, keep banning the Rust kiddies please.[/QUOTE] wait a minute..

[QUOTE=Rust Fan!!!;43616531]Do we have to act like the shitty official forums for videogames that baby every poster and give warnings and whatnot? This wouldn't help, keep banning the Rust kiddies please.[/QUOTE] Now I'm just confused.

We should bring back that smart system thingy.

[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;43617710]We should bring back that smart system thingy.[/QUOTE] Except not as strict. And no insta-ban words.

[QUOTE=GreenLeaf;43617038]wait a minute..[/QUOTE] what's wrong [editline]21st January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=whatthe;43617721]Except not as strict. And no insta-ban words.[/QUOTE] I've always had this idea that smartness should be applied by default on people with less than X amount of posts, like say, 500 posts. It should be pretty strict, idiots would be banned by smartness before even hitting the 500 posts mark, good posters would make it without getting banned past 500 posts. The reason it gets unapplied to people with over 500 posts is that it's still an automated system. Automated systems are pretty bad, because maybe someone was quoting an awful post or something, leading to the quoter getting banned, too.

Just make it so that people have to post 5 times before they're able to create a thread. That would be a tremendous help in preventing crap threads.

[QUOTE=DrDevil;43621510]Just make it so that people have to post 5 times before they're able to create a thread. That would be a tremendous help in preventing crap threads.[/QUOTE] A limit set that low would just cause people to make shitty replies instead in order to gain thread privileges. [QUOTE=Rust Fan!!!;43617727] The reason it gets unapplied to people with over 500 posts is that it's still an automated system. Automated systems are pretty bad, because maybe someone was quoting an awful post or something, leading to the quoter getting banned, too.[/QUOTE] As far as I remember, Facepunch's old smartness system ignored things in quotations. But I could be wrong. [QUOTE=t h e;43615597]I like banning out of newbie ignorance. It teaches people to use common sense. If they don't experience the finer aspects of the forums, their fault. If you join just to self-advertise then you don't really deserve to experience these "finer" aspects of the forums. I really dislike people who join a community just to self-advertise, and if they do that then they lose some respect from me. But I suppose you're right in putting the rule somewhere so it's actually a known fact. IIRC mods don't really ban for self-advertising that much either[/QUOTE] I was using purely self-advertising as an example for warning signs really, but I agree with you...so long as they come purely for that reason, a ban wouldn't be unnecessary. To summarize: More warnings placed in an impossible-to-miss place would prevent the need for giant banning sprees though, and would prevent new users from unknowingly shoving a shitpost stick deep into the collective Facepunch rectum.

[QUOTE=Water-Marine;43621850]As far as I remember, Facepunch's old smartness system ignored things in quotations. But I could be wrong.[/QUOTE] it also helps to know that you can be sarcastic without getting instabanned, obviously unironically bad posts can be manually banned by mods

i think we should stop banning people all together. like you don't even know what if the mods ban someone and they are an unstable middle schooler who shoots up their school the next day? this forum business ain't a game, shit.

[QUOTE=CadetBailey;43623148]i think we should stop banning people all together. like you don't even know what if the mods ban someone and they are an unstable middle schooler who shoots up their school the next day? this forum business ain't a game, shit.[/QUOTE] ya

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;43624452]Not wanted in a lot of cases doesn't mean bannable.[/QUOTE] If it's a first offense, I don't believe it should be. However, people who continue to do so despite community disapproval should receive a rightful kick in the ass. I see that the sticky for the Videos section has been updated, which is a great start. I still feel like all sections need a more distinct warning(As users are prone to ignoring or downright not seeing said stickies), but this'll do for now.

Honestly for a game that's sold upwards of 250,000 copies (That's half as many active members currently on the forum and that includes the rust members) I don't see why a separate forum hasn't been made. Seems extremely bizarre that so many people are crammed into a small corner of facepunch when that forum and it's sub forums have more people in them at any given time than any other part of FP.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43626164]Honestly for a game that's sold upwards of 250,000 copies (That's half as many active members currently on the forum and that includes the rust members) I don't see why a separate forum hasn't been made. Seems extremely bizarre that so many people are crammed into a small corner of facepunch when that forum and it's sub forums have more people in them at any given time than any other part of FP.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of subforums, it's not exactly "crammed". I assume it's more efficient to host it here than having to hire completely new moderators for a separate forum, amongst other things. Also, isolating the Rust forum completely gives it a chance to fester more, not a good thing.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43626164]Honestly for a game that's sold upwards of 250,000 copies (That's half as many active members currently on the forum and that includes the rust members) I don't see why a separate forum hasn't been made. Seems extremely bizarre that so many people are crammed into a small corner of facepunch when that forum and it's sub forums have more people in them at any given time than any other part of FP.[/QUOTE] Yeah totally, idk why garry didn't make a gmod forum, all the gmod kiddies were polluting my facewound experience

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43636623]Yeah totally, idk why garry didn't make a gmod forum, all the gmod kiddies were polluting my facewound experience[/QUOTE] That'd be comparable if rust wasn't completely outselling Gmod and growing faster than gmod ever did. Views for the gmod forums these days peak at like 200 at any given time when rust is generally 1000-1500+. Most of these people only stay in that particular forum and couldn't care less about integrating anywhere else. I'm not saying it should be done because of some weird FP elitism, but it should be done because they are literally not related to the rest of the forum. Look at the census thread for FP. Far more regulars view this forum as a general discussion forum than a gmod discussion forum. Stylistically it just seems like the largest portion of the current FP population is being crammed a small section of the forum.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43639298]That'd be comparable if rust wasn't completely outselling Gmod and growing faster than gmod ever did. Views for the gmod forums these days peak at like 200 at any given time when rust is generally 1000-1500+. Most of these people only stay in that particular forum and couldn't care less about integrating anywhere else. I'm not saying it should be done because of some weird FP elitism, but it should be done because they are literally not related to the rest of the forum. Look at the census thread for FP. Far more regulars view this forum as a general discussion forum than a gmod discussion forum. Stylistically it just seems like the largest portion of the current FP population is being crammed a small section of the forum.[/QUOTE] gmod was outselling facewound by 100% because facewound never sold a single copy. idk what you're getting at

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;43642828]gmod was outselling facewound by 100% because facewound never sold a single copy. idk what you're getting at[/QUOTE] Total populations.I don't know I thought it was obvious I guess. The gmod population surge doesn't compare to the rust population surge amd the rust forum itself barely operates like a support forum

[QUOTE=t h e;43615597]I like banning out of newbie ignorance. It teaches people to use common sense. If they don't experience the finer aspects of the forums, their fault. If you join just to self-advertise then you don't really deserve to experience these "finer" aspects of the forums. I really dislike people who join a community just to self-advertise, and if they do that then they lose some respect from me. But I suppose you're right in putting the rule somewhere so it's actually a known fact. IIRC mods don't really ban for self-advertising that much either[/QUOTE] banning out of newbie ignorance is good in most forums, but FP is different in the sense that most rules aren't even written anywhere, they're just common sense (most of them anyways). i mean, it's understandable that you can get banned for shock images, but a newbie wouldn't know that you're not supposed to post image macros or use "inb4" i don't think the system should be changed or anything, just saying why it could be annoying for new people

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43646772]banning out of newbie ignorance is good in most forums, but FP is different in the sense that most rules aren't even written anywhere, they're just common sense (most of them anyways). i mean, it's understandable that you can get banned for shock images, but a newbie wouldn't know that you're not supposed to post image macros or use "inb4" i don't think the system should be changed or anything, just saying why it could be annoying for new people[/QUOTE] That's why people need to lurk. That way, they get a feel for the forum and some of our rules and such.

Good idea, but nothing will change. Garry hasn't listened to our requests before and I doubt he will start now.

[QUOTE=Demache;43654372]That's why people need to lurk. That way, they get a feel for the forum and some of our rules and such.[/QUOTE] That seems really draconian. [I]"You shouldn't post anything until you look around for the 'hidden rules' that aren't listed but will still get you banned. Only then will you learn of our higher standards of communication and our 0-tolerance against a posting style that's merely considered annoying for other communities you've been a part of."[/I] I mean clearly you don't get banned in your first few posts unless you're a sperg, but having a more defined list of 'dos and donts' would help clear up things for people that have never posted here (and given the age of the average rust user, possibly anywhere). As a whole, this place is a bit more nuanced then the average game forum. I think if facepunch had been my first forum, I'd have reconsidered posting on the internet.

[QUOTE=Major_Vice;43657209]That seems really draconian. [I]"You shouldn't post anything until you look around for the 'hidden rules' that aren't listed but will still get you banned. Only then will you learn of our higher standards of communication and our 0-tolerance against a posting style that's merely considered annoying for other communities you've been a part of."[/I] I mean clearly you don't get banned in your first few posts unless you're a sperg, but having a more defined list of 'dos and donts' would help clear up things for people that have never posted here (and given the age of the average rust user, possibly anywhere). As a whole, this place is a bit more nuanced then the average game forum. I think if facepunch had been my first forum, I'd have reconsidered posting on the internet.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. What makes this more complicated though is that some rules are enforced at the moderator's discretion as well and some conduct is more tolerable in different forums. I do agree some rules probably should be more clear cut, but it isn't necessarily going solve everything. Lurking is still good advice for no matter what internet community you socialize in.

You can always post questions in Fast Threads. I think I posted a question asking where to go for Facewound when it was still in development. It was answered, closed, and I went on my merry way. This was because it was at the waaaaay bottom with like 2 sections.

greeting punch ppl,, i agree ,, when i join was ban fast for make thread discuss my video !! i was very sad i enjoy this place but after some speaking i was unban and happy but i was very confused i looked in the rule and dont see self advertise rule bg . i still dont know if there a place i can put and discuss my video i want share it but afraid ban thanks,, tropsical guy