Tony Nicklinson family’s fears as they await ‘life or death’ judgment - Polidicks

[IMG]http://www.jazzfm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/the-telegraph-logo.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02165/Tony-Nicklinson2_2165613b.jpg[/IMG] Tony Nicklinson and wife Jane at home in Melksham, Wilts [QUOTE]Mr Nicklinson’s wife Jane said the family recognised that his High Court bid to change the murder laws, which will be determined today, was a “huge ask”. But she said that she and their two daughters would support his wish to die “because we love him”. The 58-year-old from Wiltshire suffers from “locked-in syndrome”, after a stroke on holiday in Greece seven years ago left him almost completely paralysed and unable to speak but fully conscious. He communicates through a specially adapted computer which records blinks and tiny head movements – a mechanism which has enabled him to communicate with the public through Twitter. The former businessman asked the court in June to grant immunity from prosecution for murder for a doctor who would give him a fatal dose of painkillers to end his life in Britain. Lord Justice Toulson, sitting with Mrs Justice Royce and Mrs Justice Macur will hand down their judgment today along with that in the case of another “locked-in syndrome” sufferer. Unlike Mr Nicklinson, the man – who can be named only as AM or Martin – wants permission for volunteers to be able to help him get to the Dignitas clinic in Switzerland. Significantly, Martin's wife says that, while she respects his wishes and wants to remain by his side “to the end”, she cannot bring herself to do anything which would hasten his death. Instead, he wants volunteers to help him make plans to end his life. Yet under recent guidelines from the Director of Public Prosecutions only family members or close friends who are motivated by compassion are unlikely to be prosecuted for assisting a suicide. Whatever the outcome the two cases are likely to set the course of the debate over assisted suicide in Britain for years to come. Mrs Nicklinson, said last night: “Tony is very apprehensive because this is life or death for him. “He has been very down recently for various reasons: he has not been feeling very well. "Whether it is all to do with this I’m not sure but he is very apprehensive, this is so important to him – this is his life.” She said that she understood the agonising dilemma faced by Martin’s wife but said: “It is very difficult for us but we love him and if it is the only thing we can do to help him then so be it.” Dan Hyde, a consultant at the legal firm cubism Law, said the two cases were likely to act as a “catalyst” for possible change to the law even if not successful in court. “I think the impact of this will be to trigger more debate,” he said. “I suspect that part of the judgment in relation to Tony Nicklinson will be to say that these are matters for Parliament, that this is for legislation rather than the courts and if that is said that will be picked out and it will be where the debate will move on.” Speaking to the London Evening Standard Mr Nicklinson’s daughter Lauren summed up the family’s dilemma. “There’s no happy ending (for us),” she said. “If we lose then he would have to contemplate starvation. “Mum could face a murder charge and life in prison otherwise. Even if we win he will die and that will be tragic.”[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9478420/Tony-Nicklinson-familys-fears-as-they-await-life-or-death-judgment.html[/URL] I really hope he gets the right to die, look at the state he is in, he shouldn't have to live like this if he doesn't want to.

It's disgusting that people are still forcing their arcane beliefs on others, while this man suffers. Euthanasia should have been legal years ago [editline]16th August 2012[/editline] Don't like it, then don't use it

[QUOTE=download;37267383]It's disgusting that people are still forcing their arcane beliefs on others, while this man suffers. Euthanasia should have been legal years ago [editline]16th August 2012[/editline] Don't like it, then don't use it[/QUOTE] It should only be used for special circumstances like this where patients are too sick/cripple to end their own life by themselves.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37267389]It should only be used for special circumstances like this where patients are too sick/cripple to end their own life by themselves.[/QUOTE] And should be verified by several doctors too.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37267389]It should only be used for special circumstances like this where patients are too sick/cripple to end their own life by themselves.[/QUOTE] So a person with terminal cancer, but can still move can't get this? Fuck you.

I'd hate to see what chris0132 would do to this thread.

[QUOTE=icemaz;37267398]And should be verified by several religious doctors too.[/QUOTE] Aaaaand it's gone... [editline]16th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=_jesterk;37267448]I'd hate to see what chris0132 would do to this thread.[/QUOTE] Is that the "I kill people often, I slap them against the door before i flush them..." Guy?

[QUOTE=download;37267383]It's disgusting that people are still forcing their arcane beliefs on others, while this man suffers. Euthanasia should have been legal years ago [editline]16th August 2012[/editline] Don't like it, then don't use it[/QUOTE] I don't think that in Britain it's a case of enforced belief; most people would empathise with his plight and understand the reasoning. The issue comes from the law having no provision for euthanasia, and the perceived difficulty in making legislation for it that won't result in abuse (for example, the law would need to prevent elderly relatives being bumped off against their will for the sake of inheritance). Of course, the fact that Switzerland already has sensible legislation covering euthanasia does make Britain's reluctance to try distinctly disappointing.

[QUOTE=download;37267445]So a person with terminal cancer, but can still move can't get this? Fuck you.[/QUOTE] did you not read the "too sick" bit?

[QUOTE=Bomimo;37267456] Is that the "I kill people often, I slap them against the door before i flush them..." Guy?[/QUOTE] No, it's the "suicide is a valid answer to literally any situation" guy. There was a thread here (deleted now) where a guy actually killed himself. He spent 14 pages arguing for him to do it, calling people who told him not to kill himself "overstepping their boundaries" and that they didn't have the right to tell him what to do or something. He's a sad, strange little man and he has my pity.

They should try and get here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignitas_(assisted_dying_organisation)[/url]

IIRC, he has shared his thoughts on going to those places but he wants to die in his own country with dignity

It's absolutely ridiculous that we keep this man alive because it's somehow more humane that letting him die. He didn't choose to enter this world, he shouldn't be deprived of the choice to leave it.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;37267513]No, it's the "suicide is a valid answer to literally any situation" guy. There was a thread here (deleted now) where a guy actually killed himself. He spent 14 pages arguing for him to do it, calling people who told him not to kill himself "overstepping their boundaries" and that they didn't have the right to tell him what to do or something. He's a sad, strange little man and he has my pity.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHYFsTZOrb0[/media]

[QUOTE=_jesterk;37267513] He's a sad, strange little man and he has my pity.[/QUOTE] He shouldn't have your pity. People like that are best ignored entirely.

[url]https://twitter.com/TonyNicklinson[/url] here's his twitter feed.

I wonder if he'd be under the Swiss euthanasia laws if he went in their embassy.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;37267745][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHYFsTZOrb0[/media][/QUOTE] Oh cool, it's in a movie. Am I famous now?

He should read Jed McKenna. Like, honestly, I'm sure it'd make him change his mind.

Whilst he deserves the right to choose whether he lives or not, the problem is such a change in the law could open legal loopholes.

[QUOTE=download;37267445]So a person with terminal cancer, but can still move can't get this? Fuck you.[/QUOTE] I think what he means is that those who are physically incapable of ending it themselves should be able to have this done, which would be a bad idea since its far more dangerous to other people to say jump off a building

Fuck, he lost. Those bastards. 20 years of effective torture because some people can't get their heads out of their asses.

Sorry. But i have the right to decide when i die and on what terms. Going against that is to go against human rights. At the very least, they could allow him a voluntary execution? I mean, that way, they already make a legal mass murderer murder one more.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;37267389]It should only be used for special circumstances like this where patients are too sick/cripple to end their own life by themselves.[/QUOTE] Main legal obstacle: Suicide is illegal. People are very quick to criticise the ruling. Please at least read what's reported. This ruling coincides with morals, from attention seekers to drug addicts, opening the floodgates of people with depression that's on a polarised scale. If Tony Nicholson were to win, we could talk about capital punishment in a few years time after death is made such a soft issue. Guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Memobot;37270769]Main legal obstacle: Suicide is illegal. People are very quick to criticise the ruling. Please at least read what's reported. This ruling coincides with morals, from attention seekers to drug addicts, opening the floodgates of people with depression that's on a polarised scale. If Tony Nicholson were to win, we could talk about capital punishment in a few years time after death is made such a soft issue. Guaranteed.[/QUOTE] Because suicide being illegal has stopped people from committing it?

[QUOTE=Stopper;37270932]Because suicide being illegal has stopped people from committing it?[/QUOTE] making suicide 100% illegal sounds so silly. I literally imagine a dead body hanging from the wall being hand cuffed. Many things are illegal and don't stop millions of people from getting away with it, now does it? Plus, the article in the OP. Yeah sure, don't let crazy teens blow out their brains, that makes sense but... there's still a lot of justified suicides.

[QUOTE=Stopper;37270932]Because suicide being illegal has stopped people from committing it?[/QUOTE] Of course not, but it's simply a line written to cover death in the eyes of the law.

Sadly he died this morning. He got pneumonia after starving himself. [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9492021/Tony-Nicklinson-right-to-die-campaigner-with-locked-in-syndrome-dies.html[/URL]

I am so glad euthanasia is legal here.

[QUOTE=Emz;37355918]Sadly he died this morning. He got pneumonia after starving himself. [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9492021/Tony-Nicklinson-right-to-die-campaigner-with-locked-in-syndrome-dies.html[/URL][/QUOTE] At least he won't have to ''suffer'' anymore.