• Atheists least charitable group in UK, Muslims and Jews among most charitable
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[quote]Muslims give more to charity than other religious groups, new research suggests. At almost £371 each, Muslims topped the poll of religious groups that give to charity. When they donated last year, atheists averaged £116, The Times reported (£). The ICM poll found that Jewish donors gave an average of £270 per person. Roman Catholics averaged just over £178, Christians just under £178 and Protestants £202.[/quote] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/21/muslims-give-most_n_3630830.html[/url]
be nice to know which Charity's though
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;41849638]be nice to know which Charity's though[/QUOTE] either way, Atheists are the least charitable. [quote]JustGiving said religious charities such as Muslim Aid and Islamic Relief benefited most, but many donations also went to the likes of Cancer Research, Macmillan and the British Heart Foundation.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;41849655]Atheism isn't an organized religion though.[/QUOTE] This isn't about an organised religion though, just people subscribing to a particular belief system and how much they donate to charitable organisations.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;41849655]Atheism isn't an organized religion though.[/QUOTE] Right and the article isn't talking about organized religion, its referring to them as groups.
Not surprising. As someone who used to go to church, everyone there would donate to Christian Aid every year without fail. I expect the same occurs for Muslims.
I do contribute to charities via Humble Bundles, but I doubt they take that in as a research. :v: How exactly did they conduct this research anyway? I don't think it's that accurate to be honest (and I don't mean this in negative way).
This news article is biased as the charities getting the money are religious orintated as stated aka Muslims donating the most money but donating those amounts only to Muslim Aid and Islamic Relief. No doubt you have to be a Muslim to be the receiver of donations from such charities. You cannot consider Athiests to be less charitable as there are more athiests than there are religious groups in the uk.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;41849703]Not surprising. As someone who used to go to church, everyone there would donate to Christian Aid every year without fail. I expect the same occurs for Muslims.[/QUOTE] It goes further than that, it's one of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakah]7 pillars of Shi'a Islam[/url].
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41849719]This news article is biased as the charities getting the money are religious orintated as stated aka Muslims donating those sums of money to Muslim Aid and Islamic Relief. No doubt you have to be a Muslim to be the receiver of donations from such charities.[/QUOTE] So? If Atheists gave more money to Atheist-oriented charities, it would still be charity and count towards how charitable they are.
[QUOTE=SataniX;41849724]It goes further than that, it's one of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakah]7 pillars of Shi'a Islam[/url].[/QUOTE] It's also a pillar of Sunni Islam.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41849719]This news article is biased as the charities getting the money are religious orintated as stated aka Muslims donating the most money but donating those amounts only to Muslim Aid and Islamic Relief. No doubt you have to be a Muslim to be the receiver of donations from such charities. You cannot consider Athiests to be less charitable as there are more athiests than there are religious groups in the uk.[/QUOTE] Complete denialism I know for a fact at least for Christian Aid that they help out non-Christians as when my parents were collecting money they were told to say this to people who were wondering about the religious ness of t the charity.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41849719]This news article is biased as the charities getting the money are religious orintated as stated aka Muslims donating the most money but donating those amounts only to Muslim Aid and Islamic Relief. No doubt you have to be a Muslim to be the receiver of donations from such charities. You cannot consider Athiests to be less charitable as there are more athiests than there are religious groups in the uk.[/QUOTE] I often wonder how you function in daily life
makes sense, charities are a major emphasis on both religions
athiest committees.. no offense but what is the point? where is the philosophy/positive message?
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41849719]This news article is biased as the charities getting the money are religious orintated as stated aka Muslims donating the most money but donating those amounts only to Muslim Aid and Islamic Relief. No doubt you have to be a Muslim to be the receiver of donations from such charities. You cannot consider Athiests to be less charitable as there are more athiests than there are religious groups in the uk.[/QUOTE] i swear to god there are neutron stars less dense than you do you even know what bias is
Athiets tend to be younger and have less money.
[QUOTE=The golden;41849846]1) Most charities are religiously-affiliated. No shit atheists wouldn't contribute to them. 2) Donation are a big part of the religions listed in the OP. They donate very heavily within their own religious groups. 3) As stated by Lolkork, atheists are generally younger people who just don't have the money to donate in any amount seen in the OP. 4) "Atheist" is not a belief system or group which encourages or discourages donations. It is up to the individual and they may or may not be in support of donations whereas donations are a primary teaching in many religious groups. In other words: This study is horseshit.[/QUOTE] 1. Okay but if they were equally charitable they'd funnel it into a secular charity 2. And? That does nothing to disprove the notion that they give more money. 3. Fair enough. 4. Once again, that doesn't disprove the notion. It's an explanation for the phenomenon but the phenomenon is still there. All the study is trying to do is present an objective measurement. How is it horseshit? Because it forces you to acknowledge that, god forbid, religion may have a positive side?
[url]http://www.atheismuk.com/campaigns/witches/[/url] the entire website focuses on religion apart from this one article. yet... athiesm is kind of... not about religious ideals. Am I rather confused or dumb? [editline]15th August 2013[/editline] [url]https://humanism.org.uk/[/url] this is more like it
And suddenly donating to charities doesn't mean anything now that we know atheists don't donate as much If you don't like what you see and you're atheist, render it wrong by donating something, not by trying to say religious charities are inherently bad or something like that
[QUOTE=AK'z;41849982][url]http://www.atheismuk.com/campaigns/witches/[/url] the entire website focuses on religion apart from this one article. yet... athiesm is kind of... not about religious ideals. Am I rather confused or dumb? [editline]15th August 2013[/editline] [url]https://humanism.org.uk/[/url] this is more like it[/QUOTE] Internet ruined atheism
[QUOTE=OrDnAs;41850022]Internet ruined atheism[/QUOTE] The Internet turned atheism into a religion
btw on every graph I found Secular / Atheist scoreslightly above average in income, whereas Muslims are usually below average, so that doesn't actually hold water. (sorry that they're all US I doubt it's much different) [t]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/15/magazine/15-Leonhardt/15-Leonhardt-popup-v4.jpg[/t] [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Income_Ranking_by_Religious_Group_-_2000.png/600px-Income_Ranking_by_Religious_Group_-_2000.png[/t] [t]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/07/income.gif[/t] [t]http://www.hawaiireporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-shot-2012-08-06-at-7.29.05-AM.png[/t] Plus let's be honest the data they were using probably didn't include kids
Now that I think about it, everyone tell all your antitheist friends that if they want to show that they're objectively better than religious folk, they need to donate a ton of money to charities. Everyone wins. Except cancer [editline]sad[/editline] and the people with antitheist friends I guess
Muslims in the UK are often lower-wage earning immigrants, so I doubt they're financially better off than most Atheists in the UK
[QUOTE=The golden;41850301]And those are American stats charts so they don't hold water either.[/QUOTE] Go find UK charts then burden of proof is on you anyway
This study is bullshit because of how it will be used, even if it is true.
[QUOTE=Lamar;41850341]Muslims in the UK are often lower-wage earning immigrants[/QUOTE] Where is your source? This is quite a clueless remark imo. Unless you live in Scotland.
[QUOTE=The golden;41850406]I don't recall ever asking anyone for proof/saying I would provide some in the first place but w/e.[/QUOTE] I forgot that arguing on the internet meant proof was optional
[QUOTE=Xain777;41850417]This study is bullshit because of how it will be used, even if it is true.[/QUOTE] how can a true study be "bullshit"
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