[QUOTE]An 18-year-old who said she was raped at Cologne train station over the New Year reportedly discovered she was pregnant in the days that followed the attack.
The Cologne Lobby for Young Women, which has worked with victims of the New Year's Eve sexual assaults, told a state investigative committee on Thursday about at least two cases of rape that night.
A spokesman for Pirate Party politician and member of the investigative committee, Simone Brand, confirmed to The Local that the group said a woman had told them she was raped and later found out that she was pregnant, though she did not know whether the pregnancy had happened that night.
The woman ultimately decided to have an abortion because she was uncertain, said Brand's spokesman Jens Ballerstäd
"Every political party inside the room was stunned because this is something new," he said.
"She said she also saw another girl near her, also laying on the ground and being attacked," Ballerstädt said.[/QUOTE]
Source: [url]http://www.thelocal.de/20160715/cologne-woman-discovered-pregnancy-after-nye-rape-new-year-sexual-assaults[/url]
Sorry, but the time between the supposed conception and finding out you're pregnant is too short.
[QUOTE=ksenior;50725837]Sorry, but the time between the supposed conception and finding out you're pregnant is too short.[/QUOTE]
"in the days that followed" could be a pretty long period and is also just a way to write it. I doubt that's the words the girl used.
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;50725938]"in the days that followed" could be a pretty long period and is also just a way to write it. I doubt that's the words the girl used.[/QUOTE]
Such are the joys of translation.
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;50725938]"in the days that followed" could be a pretty long period and is also just a way to write it. I doubt that's the words the girl used.[/QUOTE]
When you talk days you usually mean less than a week.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
That said, it's German news and might be a mistranslation.
Absolutely sickening. I can't imagine how fucked up you've gotta be to ruin someones life like that.
Send the ones responsible to the darkest dungeon Germany has to offer and never let them out.
[QUOTE=ksenior;50725837]Sorry, but the time between the supposed conception and finding out you're pregnant is too short.[/QUOTE]
To simplify the math, I'm going to assume this occurred after midnight, which would put the actual date of conception at 01.01. She became certain that it came from the rape on 07.14 (likely because of a paternity test or something). Seven months isn't too short.
[QUOTE=ksenior;50725958]When you talk days you usually mean less than a week.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
That said, it's German news and might be a mistranslation.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, why are you invested in saying this girl is lying about her rape pregnacy?
[QUOTE=Citizen Insane;50725961]Absolutely sickening. I can't imagine how fucked up you've gotta be to ruin someones life like that.
Send the ones responsible to the darkest dungeon Germany has to offer and never let them out.[/QUOTE]
From what I've heard, wouldn't Merkel be shitty enough to put the woman away and pardon the guy that did it, though?
(and for the record, fuck rapists to the highest degree of fuck you)
[QUOTE=Robman8908;50727197]From what I've heard, wouldn't Merkel be shitty enough to put the woman away and pardon the guy that did it, though?[/QUOTE]
Sure if you only expose yourself to fucking /pol/ and Brietbart and insist they are reputable news sources. Merkel isn't some fascistic dictator who kills while people when they speak out about crimes committed by non-whites.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50727292]Sure if you only expose yourself to fucking /pol/ and Brietbart and insist they are reputable news sources. Merkel isn't some fascistic dictator who kills while people when they speak out about crimes committed by non-whites.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, she just has the people that whistleblowed the event arrested.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50727301]Yeah, she just has the people that whistleblowed the event arrested.[/QUOTE]
So you gonna source this or are you just posting the hot new shit 4Chan made up?
You tend to need to provide sources for such claims.
[url]http://www.express.de/news/politik-und-wirtschaft/koelner-silvester-mob-rot-gruen-geht-gegen-enthuellungen-vor-24007196[/url]
I don't mean her specifically, I mean the German government.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50727317][url]http://www.express.de/news/politik-und-wirtschaft/koelner-silvester-mob-rot-gruen-geht-gegen-enthuellungen-vor-24007196[/url]
I don't mean her specifically, I mean the German government.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so you admit it has fuck all to do with Merkel in this case, and from the (awful) translation I just struggled to read through, it seems to come down to the governing bodies for the Cologne area. Not some EU superconspiracy to protect brown people from criminal charges.
Motherfuckers gotta stop blaming the criminal activities of a small minority group of refugees on the EU and Merkel directly. It's not their fault that people commit crime, and you can't screen people for future crimes, this isn't Minority Report after all. Blame it on the people committing crimes and blame "coverups" on those actually covering it up.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
The fact you only threw me a tabloid as a source isn't exactly giving me a strong sense of truthfulness to the claims either. Tabloids are well know globally for blowing molehills up into mountains for the sake of sales.
Got any actual reports on the matter?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50727362]Okay, so you admit it has fuck all to do with Merkel in this case, and from the (awful) translation I just struggled to read through, it seems to come down to the governing bodies for the Cologne area. Not some EU superconspiracy to protect brown people from criminal charges.
Motherfuckers gotta stop blaming the criminal activities of a small minority group of refugees on the EU and Merkel directly. It's not their fault that people commit crime, and you can't screen people for future crimes, this isn't Minority Report after all. Blame it on the people committing crimes and blame "coverups" on those actually covering it up.[/QUOTE]
When did I say it was some EU superconspiracy?
They are going after whistleblowers for that event.
[url]http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/uebergriffe-an-silvester-uebergriffe-in-koeln-polizei-ermittelt-gegen-polizei-1.2875165[/url]
[QUOTE=Thlis;50727377]When did I say it was some EU superconspiracy?
They are going after whistleblowers for that event.
[url]http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/uebergriffe-an-silvester-uebergriffe-in-koeln-polizei-ermittelt-gegen-polizei-1.2875165[/url][/QUOTE]
That one translated a ton better. Okay so it's standard whistleblower bullshit in this case?
This is nothing new in that case. Whistleblowers tend to get slapped with all kinds of "data breach" charges. But it's not like they have much choice if they are trying to get information out. Going through the proper channels for releasing data will either get you ignored or potentially on somebodies shitlist for a demotion or firing.
Even if the information seems critical to the future of mankind, as long as it's considered confidential at the time a whistleblower is going to get fucking slapped around by the legal system for releasing it. There's a reason Snowden fuckin bounced his ass somewhere else after leaking the stuff he did.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50727230]Wow yeah. Welcome to Germany, AKA Nordkorea 2.0, where Merkel isthe head judge and personally decides all migrant cases.
The woman herself didnt go to the police BTW.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50727292]Sure if you only expose yourself to fucking /pol/ and Brietbart and insist they are reputable news sources. Merkel isn't some fascistic dictator who kills while people when they speak out about crimes committed by non-whites.[/QUOTE]
Holy fuck, people. I didn't say she's goddamn Hitler, I was getting at how all I've seen is that a lot of people are pissed at the German government for the way they're handling this refugee stuff.
The hell is with SH regulars anymore? The aggressiveness is unbelievable, lol.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50727529]It is being fed up, a little bit. This place is full of polsters and alt righters and we are trying to keep our sanity.
Your post is a little problematic too, either you dont know much about the role of law in modern western society or Germany or you are trying to incite some flamewar. It is the former I guess.
Ask yourself if Obama could or would pardon a black guy shooting cops.[/QUOTE]
I'm not inciting any sort of "flamewar". I don't really ever see you post anything that isn't aggressive. Like I said before, all I ever see if people angry over Germany.
Done with Germany threads now, lol. I'll read up on more of it when I have the time and give better responses in the future on the subject... was just an observation, man. Don't get so uppity.
[QUOTE=lavacano;50726958]To simplify the math, I'm going to assume this occurred after midnight, which would put the actual date of conception at 01.01. She became certain that it came from the rape on 07.14 (likely because of a paternity test or something). Seven months isn't too short.[/QUOTE]
Literally the first line of the OP
[quote]... reportedly discovered she was pregnant in the days that followed the attack.[/quote]
Days implies less than a week.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;50727017]I'm sorry, why are you invested in saying this girl is lying about her rape pregnacy?[/QUOTE]
I'm not invested in anything. I read the first line of the OP and concluded, based on that, that she couldn't have found out she was pregnant days after the event. Meaning she was probably pregnant long before that.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50727184]He is skeptical because it has been 7 months and she got raped, pregnant, had an abortion and then talked out.
He is maybe wongfully skeptical but I dont think he means anything bad or political.[/QUOTE]
I'm skeptical because she apparently found out she was pregnant [I]days[/I] after the supposed conception. Which I said, and you should know unless you're twelve and haven't had the basics of sex-ed hammered into you yet.
[QUOTE=ksenior;50729533]I'm skeptical because she apparently found out she was pregnant [I]days[/I] after the supposed conception. Which I said, and you should know unless you're twelve and haven't had the basics of sex-ed hammered into you yet.[/QUOTE]Are you saying a woman who's raped couldn't possibly think that the experience has done something and she "knows" something is wrong? Beyond that you are aware that pregnancy tests can be used at [I]any[/I] point right? Really, if she's seeing a false positive (or more than one, actually not that rare) and then winding up to be actually pregnant I think that would make anyone think that the false positive was a [U]real[/U] positive result. I'm not saying that's how she found out, but I can draw on not one but two real-life examples where that very thing happened.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
Another thing:[QUOTE=ksenior;50729533]Days implies less than a week.[/QUOTE]
Maybe? Do you know for sure? I don't.
Basing your argument around a vague point like that probably isn't a good idea. Six days is enough for a pregnancy test, so is eight, both of which can be written as "days" rather than "about a week." You've also acknowledged that this could all be some oddity of translation.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50729674]Beyond that you are aware that pregnancy tests can be used at any point right?[/quote]
You can use them but they're not going to give you any useful information until weeks afterwards. Even a blood test at a hospital is two weeks minimum.
[quote]Another thing:
Maybe? Do you know for sure? I don't.
Basing your argument around a vague point like that probably isn't a good idea. Six days is enough for a pregnancy test, so is eight, both of which can be written as "days" rather than "about a week." You've also acknowledged that this could all be some oddity of translation.[/QUOTE]
Yes I have, and everyone else should know that too by now which why people should stop getting shitty over what I said.
All of you should stop jumping down people's throats and twisting people's words.
[editline]18th July 2016[/editline]
Your logic appears to be that I can't defend myself from other's disgusting comments.
[QUOTE=ksenior;50729740]You can use them but they're not going to give you any useful information until weeks afterwards. Even a blood test at a hospital is two weeks minimum.[/QUOTE]Remember that part about false positives? Yep. There's something to be said here about broken clocks being right occasionally, so [I]maybe[/I] don't focus so much on the validity of the test (I haven't, that was my point after all) because guess what: she was actually pregnant.
[QUOTE]Yes I have, and everyone else should know that too by now which why people should stop getting shitty over what I said.[/QUOTE]Well you did say this:[QUOTE=ksenior;50729533]I'm skeptical because she apparently found out she was pregnant [I]days[/I] after the supposed conception. Which I said, and you should know [B]unless you're twelve and haven't had the basics of sex-ed hammered into you yet.[/B][/QUOTE]I've bolded the important part, since we're talking about "getting shitty."
[QUOTE]All of you should stop jumping down people's throats and twisting people's words.[/QUOTE]Son, I'm not jumping down your throat and I'm not twisting your words, I'm arguing the point you made and also pointing out how your whole argument is based on very vague terminology.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=ksenior;50729740]Your logic appears to be that I can't defend myself from other's disgusting comments.[/QUOTE]Oh fucking [I]please.[/I] My logic is your argument is flawed from the get-go and you're being belligerent about it, and now you're being melodramatic.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50729774]Remember that part about false positives? Yep. There's something to be said here about broken clocks being right occasionally, so [I]maybe[/I] don't focus so much on the validity of the test (I haven't, that was my point after all) because guess what: she was actually pregnant.[/quote]
And if she was pregnant before the attack it's going to return an actual positive.
[quote]Well you did say this:I've bolded the important part, since we're talking about "getting shitty."[/quote]
How is that getting shitty? Getting shitty is automatically assuming someone is an alt-righter because they don't completely conform to your world views.
[quote]Son, I'm not jumping down your throat and I'm not twisting your words, I'm arguing the point you made and also pointing out how your whole argument is based on very vague terminology.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
Oh fucking [I]please.[/I] My logic is your argument is flawed from the get-go and you're being belligerent about it, and now you're being melodramatic.[/QUOTE]
Yep, me responding to people who misrepresent what I said is belligerent :rolleyes:
And yes, I point it out, and then people choose to ignore I pointed it out before misrepresenting my position.
[QUOTE=ksenior;50729886]And if she was pregnant before the attack it's going to return an actual positive.[/QUOTE]Yep, I'm not discounting that. I'm just focusing on what you've said.
[QUOTE]How is that getting shitty? Getting shitty is automatically assuming someone is an alt-righter because they don't completely conform to your world views.[/QUOTE]Well so is calling somebody a twelve-year-old because they apparently don't understand vaginas. Or something. Whatever you were trying to say.
[QUOTE]And yes, I point it out, and then people choose to ignore I pointed it out before misrepresenting my position.[/QUOTE]Let's look at that:
[QUOTE=ksenior;50725837]Sorry, but the time between the supposed conception and finding out you're pregnant is too short.[/QUOTE]Seems like less pointing and more declaring, especially since,[QUOTE=ksenior;50725958]When you talk days you usually mean less than a week.[/QUOTE]You immediately defend your position as a declaration rather than clarifying you were merely pointing out an inconsistency. I'm not going to argue your position for you, but I am telling you what this looks like to the rest of us.
[QUOTE=ksenior;50725837]Sorry, but the time between the supposed conception and finding out you're pregnant is too short.[/QUOTE]
Nice knee jerk reaction, asshat. This is a person we are talking about.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50730085]Yep, I'm not discounting that. I'm just focusing on what you've said.
I'm not even sure what you're arguing about any more.
[quote]Well so is calling somebody a twelve-year-old because they apparently don't understand vaginas. Or something. Whatever you were trying to say.[/quote]
I would like to think most of us here have had basic sex-ed.
[quote]You immediately defend your position as a declaration rather than clarifying you were merely pointing out an inconsistency. I'm not going to argue your position for you, but I am telling you what this looks like to the rest of us.[/QUOTE]
Nice job snipping the parts of the quote that refute you statement.
[QUOTE=ksenior;50725958]When you talk days you usually mean less than a week.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
[I]That said, it's German news and might be a mistranslation.[/I][/QUOTE]
[editline]18th July 2016[/editline]
I've had the strangest experience with people suddenly going deaf and missing my clarifying points while posting as a blue. I think I've had more arguments around people misconstruing my views in the last month than the last year.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50727292]Sure if you only expose yourself to fucking /pol/ and Brietbart and insist they are reputable news sources. Merkel isn't some fascistic dictator who kills while people when they speak out about crimes committed by non-whites.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you only get swatted and prosecuted for hate speech.
Let's be honest, even with all the skepticism about the girl's story and the argument over Merkel, this is a huge step in admitting what occurred that evening.
I've known many people to simply dismiss what happened as 'high spirits' and 'cultural differences' but now they'll have to accept that these crimes (likely) did truly happen and the majority went unreported.
[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;50731561]Let's be honest, even with all the skepticism about the girl's story and the argument over Merkel, this is a huge step in admitting what occurred that evening.
I've known many people to simply dismiss what happened as 'high spirits' and 'cultural differences' but now they'll have to accept that these crimes (likely) did truly happen and the majority went unreported.[/QUOTE]
~2000 men assaulted ~1200 german women on new year's eve.
Can we send these monkeys back to where they came from?
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