Morning Bell: “The American Public Is Not Behind This Bill” - Polidicks

[quote]After more than a year of $862 billion dollar deficit stimulus bills, national-debt-doubling federal budgets, and government takeovers of the auto industry, it is difficult to remember that President Barack Obama actually ran as a moderate in many ways. On his way to a 53% – 46% win over Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), then-Sen. Obama promised to “cut taxes for 95% of workers and their families,” expand the Army by 65,000 and the Marines by 27,000, and enact “a net spending cut” for the federal government. Obama promised lower taxes, a strong defense and shrinking the size of government. No wonder independents in nine states that went for President George Bush in 2000 and 2004 switched their vote to Obama in 2008 (CO, FL, IN, IA, NV, NM, NC, OH and VA). But now those independents are beginning to reassess. Public Policy Polling (a liberal polling firm) notes that Obama now has a negative approval rating in every state that he flipped from the Bush column to his in 2008. And now President Obama has lost one of his biggest and earliest supporters on his signature issue: health care. Yesterday, when pressed on CNBC if he would be in favor of scrapping the Senate health care bill, Warren Buffett responded: “I would be.” Specifically, Buffett believes that the Senate bill will not contain health care costs: “We have a health system that, in terms of cost, is really out of control, and if you take this line and you project what has been happening into the future, we will get less and less competitive. So, we need something else. Unfortunately, we came up with a bill that really doesn’t attack the cost situation that much and we have to have a fundamental change.” Buffett is correct on both fronts: 1) the President’s own Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has reported that the Senate health care bill would raise national health expenditures $234 billion by 2019; and 2) our current system is completely unable to control exploding health care costs. ...[/quote] [url]http://blog.heritage.org/2010/03/02/morning-bell-the-american-public-is-not-behind-this-bill/[/url]

Why the fuck do we need to expand our army? We could kick any nation's ass.

Except China and Russia.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;20544988]Except China and Russia.[/QUOTE] We have air superiority so would could bomb the shit out of their factories and then move in with the armor and infantry.

[QUOTE=Robbazking;20545073]You can always invade Iran without any obvious reasons :) flex your jdam skills. Air superiority over russia and china? No[/QUOTE] Russia's got a shit ton of SAM's but we would be able to hurt China pretty bad with bombing runs.

This thread wins the prize for the fastest derailed thread in Facepunch history.

[QUOTE=Robbazking;20545178]Not to mention the shit load of tunguska, strelas and old ass shilkas. Bet china got a lot of that crap to.[/QUOTE] Yeah but it's probably mass produced leading to backfires.

[QUOTE=piddlezmcfuz;20545193]This thread wins the prize for the fastest derailed thread in Facepunch history.[/QUOTE] Read the article on the site and it mentions the Military.

i <3 heritage dot com, it's so unbiased

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;20544988]Except China and Russia.[/QUOTE] Hahaha sure

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;20545228]Yeah but it's probably mass produced leading to backfires.[/QUOTE] But yeah... We would have too use some gas or napalm to take care of infantry though...(China wise) As for Russia, it would be mostly a ground war ,and air superiority would be important ,but not as important as tank ,and warship superiority.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;20545278]i <3 heritage dot com, it's so unbiased[/QUOTE] The heritage blog looks stupid though. They don't site sources like the articles do.

The blog this site is from is the Heritage Foundation. They were an important think tank for G.W. Bush, so of course they'd have a hard on for military spending. Shit article by the way.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;20545293]But yeah... We would have too use some gas or napalm to take care of infantry though...(China wise) As for Russia, it would be mostly a ground war ,and air superiority would be important ,but not as important as tank ,and warship superiority.[/QUOTE] Well we have the better tanks and infantry and warships.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20545326]Well we have the better tanks and infantry and warships.[/QUOTE] Not exactly. It completely determines on which grounds we're fighting on. If we were on Russian home ground it would be a lot harder considering American tanks are made for warmer weather. As for infantry, we have better weapons ,but the weapon is only good as the soldier. Warships... Pwn pwn pwn.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;20545366]Not exactly. It completely determines on which grounds we're fighting on. If we were on Russian home ground it would be a lot harder considering American tanks are made for warmer weather. As for infantry, we have better weapons ,but the weapon is only good as the soldier. Warships... Pwn pwn pwn.[/QUOTE] Our soldiers are some of the best in the world, and I doubt Russia has an army with as good of training.

americans, put your shooters away

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;20544988]Except China and Russia.[/QUOTE] China and Russia are not the enemies of America anymore. It's not the cold war. Sure may not be friends with each other, but it's not like they have apocalyptic amounts of nukes pointed at each others faces anymore.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;20545414]China and Russia are not the enemies of America anymore. It's not the cold war. Sure may not be friends with each other, but it's not like they have apocalyptic amounts of nukes pointed at each others faces anymore.[/QUOTE] Yeah. It's America vrs North Korea ,and Iran now.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20545390]Our soldiers are some of the best in the world, and I doubt Russia has an army with as good of training.[/QUOTE] Russia's army has bloody awful training. If you watch footage from the Chechen war and the conflict in Georgia, you can see just how informal, disorganized, and undisciplined Russian soldiers are. Probably because their BT drill officers kick the shit out of them instead of giving them proper mental conditioning.

i thought north korea was the asshole in all this

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;20545439]Yeah. It's America vrs North Korea ,and Iran now.[/QUOTE] We'd kick their scrawny asses so easily. Even if it was a quad-front war.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20545474]We'd kick their scrawny asses so easily. Even if it was a quad-front war.[/QUOTE] all it takes is one nuclear launch from north korea, they'd probably be insane enough to do it too

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;20545439]Yeah. It's America vrs North Korea ,and Iran now.[/QUOTE] The Iranian army is tough, but not to the point where it'd be able to take on America with a full hearterd effort. I think 3/4 of North Korea's army would just up and abandon their posts the second they realize how much better the world outside the North Korean shithole is. The only reason that country still functions [I]at all[/I] is because they think they have it good there, which is clearly not the case.

[QUOTE=Rambo_9;20545486]all it takes is one nuclear launch from north korea, they'd probably be insane enough to do it too[/QUOTE] One nuclear launch from them and we nuke their entire country.

I think there's still an equally good chance the North Koreans staged their nuclear explosion with conventional explosives. Look at how bad that country is.. I find it hard to believe people would have the education to build nuclear weapons on the large scale that would be needed to even put a dent on the North American continent.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;20545497]One nuclear launch from them and we nuke their entire country.[/QUOTE] And the UN goes... "OMG U HAXING NUBS, GO CLEN THA SHT UP!"

Nice source, Glaber. [editline]03:49AM[/editline] [QUOTE=zombiefreak;20545474]We'd kick their scrawny asses so easily. Even if it was a quad-front war.[/QUOTE] you're pretty fucking arrogant and iran was made an enemy by the us.

Thanks for another crappy thread, Glaber. The sources that you are drawing from shouldn't be considered news sources. They're right wing blogs, for Christ's sake. Ugh, seriously? "Out of pocket expenses for patients have dropped!" Yeah, since fucking 1965. What an important statistic. My Dad works for a pharmaceutical company, and even he says that the health care system (which is technically paying our bills) is screwed up. There are people in this country that are working hard but don't have access to health care because they make more money than what is allowed for Medicare access. Also, how the hell does this blog know that the American public is not behind this bill? Lemme guess, they just pulled that out of their ass like most Republican rhetoric.

[QUOTE=Robbazking;20545435]From what I've seen on liveleak, american soldiers are uneducated assholes that simply joined the army to afford study. I feel bad for them.[/QUOTE] I feel bad for you for being such a dumbass. You saw a video on Liveleak and made a conclusion from that? Stop posting please.