Adobe Gives in to the Collective Otherwise Known as Apple - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/03/14/adobe.flash.war/index.html?hpt=Sbin[/url] [quote]For decades -- dating back to the 1980s -- Apple and Adobe Systems have had a deeply troubled relationship. The most recent phase of their ongoing struggle has been over whether Flash (Adobe's hugely popular proprietary format for adding animation, video, and interactivity to web pages) would run on Apple mobile devices. Apple has always resisted putting Flash on the iPhone, because Flash has performed notoriously poorly on Macintosh computers. But these days internet access is swiftly going mobile, and Apple's iPhone holds the most interactivity- and video-hungry portion of the smartphone market. Apple does offer a mobile app that re-encodes YouTube Flash videos to play on the iPhone, but in general Flash elements won't play on Apple mobile devices. So Adobe has been trying hard to get Apple to support Flash on the iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch. It looks like Adobe has finally lost this battle. Last week Adobe Systems released Wallaby -- an experimental new drag-and-drop tool for developers that converts Flash files into HTML5. HTML5 is an emerging web standard that can work with the fully featured browsers available on most mobile devices, including the iPhone and iPad. It allows developers to build mobile web pages that are much more interactive and multimedia-rich. (Technically, it's now called just HTML, but most people are still saying "HTML5" to refer to the new capabilities.) Also, HTML5 can be used to build mobile apps that work offline. As CNN Money recently explained, HTML5 web apps "can still function in areas with no connection. Gamers, for instance, can continue playing uninterrupted even if their device loses its signal." In January, The New York Times reported that many online content services, including Vimeo and Flickr, are experimenting with using HTML5 to deliver video and other rich media, probably driven in part by Apple's lack of mobile support for Flash. The Washington Post reports that Wallaby (a program that runs on the Adobe AIR platform, which does work with Apple's iOS mobile operating system) "was tested with iOS 4.2. The only supported Webkit browsers at this time are Chrome and Safari on OSX, Windows and iOS." What does this mean for iPhone users? If Wallaby becomes popular with developers, then many websites that use Flash to present interactive features or multimedia content -- anything from videos to games to simulations and more -- may suddenly start working right on the iPhone and iPad. So iPhone and iPad users will encounter fewer of those annoying blank holes on web pages where multimedia is supposed to appear. But in the big picture, if most internet access goes mobile (as Gartner predicted will happen by 2013), then there might be less and less reason for web developers to use Flash. It could be that HTML5 might become the norm, and Flash might fade into the mists of tech history. Daniel Eran Dilger predicted Adobe's move to accommodate HTML5 almost a year ago, in his brilliant mock-biblical chronicle of the history of Adobe vs. Apple, an amazingly entertaining read. Dilger wrote: "...And Adobe saw four horsemen of the apocalypse ascending from the sea, the rider of the white horse was Steve Jobs and he was bent on conquest. And a second horse, red, was given to iPhone to take away market share from smartphones, and to cause phone makers to wage war and to fall upon their own swords. "And a third horse, black, was carrying the scales of the iPod touch, and it measured out music playback from iTunes and sold many apps and starved other mobile platforms of mobile application demand. And fourth horse, pale, had a rider named iPad, which pundits called Death. And it caused famine for tablets and plague for slates and killed with a sword. And none of the horsemen used Flash. "And Adobe frightfully woke from its vision of terrors, and realized that its days of monopolizing the web with Flash content were over. "...And then Adobe began building HTML5 development tools, and it charged reasonable prices and built cross-platform products and the people rejoiced and Adobe's death was spared and it lived comfortably for many days next to Apple. "And Steve Jobs said thank you and Adobe said no, thank you. And they all lived happily ever after."[/quote] Finally...Fuck. About time they started to stop bickering, and get along.

[quote]Last week Adobe Systems released Wallaby -- an experimental new drag-and-drop tool for developers that converts Flash files into HTML5.[/quote] Please die now, Flash.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28622081]Please die now, Flash.[/QUOTE] This.

Finally. It means we'll have a lot less software vulnerabilities, since Adobe seems to be incapable of maintaining security in their client. If everything's done directly through HTML5, then we should see less of those.

Apple will probably deem this against their ToS and purposely prevent their handsets from running the software.

Yahoo! About time!

HTML5 is more flexible then Flash. I hope everyone will understand that and work with HTML5 instead of Flash

[QUOTE=AaRoNg11;28622211]Apple will probably deem this against their ToS and purposely prevent their handsets from running the software.[/QUOTE] No they won't. They already expressed high interest in HTML5, iOS 4.3 already supports it. [editline]15th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=darth-veger;28622223]HTML5 is more flexible then Flash. I hope everyone will understand that and work with HTML5 instead of Flash[/QUOTE] Yep, it'll take time though. Lots of developers are set in their ways... [editline]15th March 2011[/editline] Also, as good as this may be, HTML5 is not a Flash replacement but an open video format. It's great for watching videos but it can't provide the power Flash can give to a website. I think Apple is smart enough to understand that a Flash is a must-have plug-in for the full browsing experience as they promise the iPad provides.

If you jailbreak your iPad/iPhone/iPod you can install Frash. Basically enables Flash on all sites, but its not working that great, but i am happy that lots of sites are already going to HTML5 form, both Android and iPhone users can enjoy it then

Well fuck, this means I can't make shit in flash and expect everyone to be able to use it? Booo! Now I have to buy a new developement environment.

[QUOTE=faze;28622231]Also, as good as this may be, HTML5 is not a Flash replacement but an open video format. It's great for watching videos but it can't provide the power Flash can give to a website. I think Apple is smart enough to understand that a Flash is a must-have plug-in for the full browsing experience as they promise the iPad provides.[/QUOTE] HTML5 has much more than the video tag. You can make games and animated website with Javascript now that run without any plugin.

[QUOTE=MIPS;28622443]Well fuck, this means I can't make shit in flash and expect everyone to be able to use it? Booo! Now I have to buy a new developement environment.[/QUOTE] Do some reading, for crying out loud. 1. You can develop in Flash, pass it through this Adobe AIR Wallaby program, and get HTML5 output code ready for deployment. 2. HTML5 is an open standard. There are development environments for it that are open source. You won't have to buy anything.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28622081]Please die now, Flash.[/QUOTE] Considering I love newgrounds, I am in total disagreement.

Fuck yeah, maybe Apple will start including flash on their iPods and iPads.

[quote]if most internet access goes mobile (as Gartner predicted will happen by 2013)[/quote]lol no

"Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated." -Apple inc.

[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;28623883]Fuck yeah, maybe Apple will start including flash on their iPods and iPads.[/QUOTE] Can no one on this forum read? Apple are NOT supporting Flash. Ever. Adobe caved and are now offering a porting app to turn flash files into HTML5 code.

[QUOTE=HeadshotDCS;28623311]Considering I love newgrounds, I am in total disagreement.[/QUOTE] Why can't newgrounds use HTML5

[QUOTE=SM0K3 B4N4N4;28625534]lol no[/QUOTE] You know nothing.

Good thing I have an Android.

Is it me or does it sound more like Apple gave into Adobe?

Oh God I want to rate everyone in this thread books so bad. RIP Bad Reading.

I'm sorry to burst people's bubble in this thread, but Flash is not going to die so soon. Adobe didn't "give in" to Apple, they want to simplify things for their users while adding compatibility. I'm talking about actually developing in Flash, not just this stupid little plugin versus open standard bullshit. The WC3 stated that HTML 5 won't even be fully completed until around 2020, so the compatibility won't be 100% or the same for every browser for years. Also, Flash is one of the easiest and most reliable workflows for interactive/new media designers, just check out [url]www.TheFWA.com[/url] and you'll see that most of those amazing websites were made in Flash. Anyhow, I tried Wallaby and it didn't work at all, lol.

Switching to HTML5 is a pretty good idea imo

It is still experimental :v: Anybody that was expecting this to be a fast process was deluding themselves anyway.

Why does everyone hate Flash?

Why Adobe keeps openly refusing worthy business investments is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28625613]Why can't newgrounds use HTML5[/QUOTE] You port all the old animations. A lot of animators are also used to Flash and know how to work with it smoothly. This would be like begging Notch to reprogram the entirety of Minecraft into C++. [editline]15th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Wootman;28628797]Why does everyone hate Flash?[/QUOTE] "security flaws"

[QUOTE=Wootman;28628797]Why does everyone hate Flash?[/QUOTE] CPU heavy, tends to crash rather a lot and security holes, security holes everywhere.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28628951]You port all the old animations. A lot of animators are also used to Flash and know how to work with it smoothly. This would be like begging Notch to reprogram the entirety of Minecraft into C++. [/QUOTE] Funny thing is there's at least 2 groups already attempting exactly this.