Findings show that the oldest known civilization wasn't the Sumerian culture, but a Danubian one - Polidicks

[quote]A new theory by the "world's leading expert on ancient scripts and languages", [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Haarmann"]Harald Haarmann[/URL], asserts that the Danubian Civilisation that flourished starting with 6 millenium BCE was the actual first human civilisation (in the sense of a society with higher level of organizaytion and culture), more than 1,000 older than Sumerian one. This is the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinča_culture"]Turdaș-Vinča culture[/URL] that developed in what is today Romania and Serbia between 5500–4500 BCE and which discovered the writing at least since 5,500 BCE and also used the metallurgy for the first time in human history. Because of the striking similarity between the material culture of Turdaș-Vinča and [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubaid_period"]Ubaid Sumerian[/URL] (the oldest phase of Sumerian material culture), it was long believed among scholars that Turdaș-Vinča was the result o a Near East influence. [B]Newer theories suggest the other way around, that people of the European Turdaș-Vinča civilisation migrated toward Southern Mesopotamia and contributed as the main player to the apparition of the Sumerian civilisation and Cuneiform script, on the basis of the earlier writing system used in Europe: [/B][I]However, much to everyone surprise, more recent discoveries of earlier Turdaș-Vinča settlements have shown quite clearly that events must have occurred the other way round as the Old European settlements, along with writing, pottery, metallurgy and 'Ubaid' style art, date to a thousand years before the first Sumerian fingerprint, [B]suggesting remarkably that it was actually a European culture that influenced Sumerian development[/B].[/I][/quote][URL="http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/serbiavinca.htm"]Source[/URL] [video=youtube;4Iq4Qbd0wpw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iq4Qbd0wpw[/video]

I always "knew" the Sumerians either had origins in Europe, or were a sort of sister culture to a european culture. Hell, I always get asked why I have a Finnish name. Fun fact, it's actually Sumerian. There just so happens to be certain factions, independent of nationalist motivations or others in that spectrum, that try to classify Sumerian as a Uralic language together with Hungarian and Finnish.

[IMG]http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/Vincansymbols.jpg[/IMG] So this is the oldest European script. I wonder if anybody could figure out what the characters mean.

well I can see Nazi goat already give me a few minutes

Somewhere, someone, is saying that this is created by Communist aliens.

there is a serbia stronk joke waiting to be said

[QUOTE=Kentz;43077987]there is a serbia stronk joke waiting to be said[/QUOTE] Just look in the comments, the nationalist idiots are already getting on it. Consider me skeptical anyway.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43077856][IMG]http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/Vincansymbols.jpg[/IMG] So this is the oldest European script. I wonder if anybody could figure out what the characters mean.[/QUOTE] Wow, they sure had a lot of missing characters.

So the first civilization was [I]the noobs[/I] eh?

As cool as this is, the idea of influence on Sumerian civilization from either direction is a little shaky, and will need much more research to develop harder links. My problem mainly lies in the fact that its in-text citations point to Wikipedia, and I can't actually find the quoted section in the text source. I mean, hell, even read the rest of the video description: Vinca writing is also believed to be a form of proto-writing, similar to the Jiahu symbols of China during the same rough time period. They likely carried some sort of meaning but it's not likely that they had associated grammar attached to it. It's definitely an interesting theory, though, but I'm not entirely sure of the credibility of that site as it also promotes Gaia/Living Earth spirituality and "alignments" which tie together archaeological sites in Britain. I'll probably ask my professor about it as he's specialized in the archaeology of Central Europe. tl;dr: I'm not doubting the significance of the Vinca script but I feel that it's very much in the realm of speculation that they "invented" writing or were some sort of mother culture, such as the video and its text sources are suggesting.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;43078008]Wow, they sure had a lot of missing characters.[/QUOTE] The fifth row has a character that looks like a Swatzika... This might lead to something terrible.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43078086]The fifth row has a character that looks like a Swatzika... This might lead to something terrible.[/QUOTE] How? A lot of alphabets at the time had swastika symbols [editline]5th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ionuttzu;43077378][URL="http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/serbiavinca.htm"]Source[/URL] [video=youtube;4Iq4Qbd0wpw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iq4Qbd0wpw[/video][/QUOTE] That magnifying glass at 0:20 is so boss

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43078108]How? A lot of alphabets at the time had swastika symbols[/QUOTE] Because the swastika was used by a government in the 1920s-1940s, which makes it unrepentantly evil for the thousands of years before it was used by said government.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43077856][IMG]http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/Images/Vincansymbols.jpg[/IMG] So this is the oldest European script. I wonder if anybody could figure out what the characters mean.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://1.imgland.net/gE_foZ.png[/IMG] I don't know what I was thinking.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43078119]Because the swastika was used by a government in the 1920s-1940s, which makes it unrepentantly evil for the thousands of years before it was used by said government.[/QUOTE] *1930s to mid-1940s

I think the source you linked is wrong. Remake the thread once you find an actual source. This is a [U][B]theory[/B][/U] proposed by a single person. The only thing I find online is a identical post from a forum in a thread called "Romanian pictures". I suggest reading: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube_Valley_civilization[/URL] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization#Early_civilizations[/URL]