• Republicans attempt to repeal Obama's Health Care law again.....for the 33rd time in Congress.
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[quote]Today when the House votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act, a vote decried by Democrats as a political charade, it will mark the 33 rd time that Republicans have acted to defund, dismantle or repeal the [B] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/reality-repealing-obama-health-care-law/story?id=16679832"]health care law[/URL] [/B]. Leading into the Supreme Court's health care decision on June 28, Speaker Boehner vowed to repeal anything that the justices left standing. "We've made it pretty clear and I'll make it clear one more time: If the court does not strike down the entire law, the House will move to repeal what's left of it," Boehner, R-Ohio, pledged the day before the ruling. "Obamacare is driving up the cost of health care and making it harder for small businesses to hire new workers." [B][Related: [URL="http://yhoo.it/PQD1Fp"]Rick Perry vows he won't implement Obamacare[/URL]] [/B] Thirteen days after the [B] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/republicans-sick-democrats-thrilled-over-health-care-ruling/"]historic decision[/URL] [/B] upholding the law, Boehner and the House Republicans will make good on that promise and vote this afternoon to repeal the law in its entirety. But facing a Democratic double road-block in the form of the Senate and White House, there is not a snowball's chance that this repeal will be signed into law. So why will House Republicans take the vote? "Hope springs eternal," Boehner said Tuesday. "This is not what the American people want. They want to be empowered to make decisions about their own health care and their family's health care. They don't want the government involved in this, and so we're going to continue to work to repeal this." The first time the House voted to repeal the law was on [B] [URL="http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/01/house-passes-health-care-repeal-urges-senate-to-act.html"]January 19, 2011[/URL] [/B], shortly after Boehner seized the speaker's gavel from now Democratic Leader [B] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/as-gop-preps-next-crack-at-repeal-pelosi-says-best-is-yet-to-come/"]Nancy Pelosi[/URL] [/B], the first woman speaker in U.S. history. Along the way, the House voted to block funding from numerous agencies to implement the health care provisions of the law. The [B] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/federal-deficit-paul-ryans-budget-proposal-passes-house/story?id=13384520"]House budgets[/URL] [/B] each of the last two years also repealed and defunded the law. [B][First person: [URL="http://yhoo.it/LJ9QCe"]'I can't afford the insurance'[/URL]] [/B] Not all 33 votes have been futile efforts. Republicans boast that seven provisions have been repealed and signed into law. Free choice vouchers and a tax reporting requirement for small businesses were repealed by Congress and signed by President Obama into law. The Obama administration also pulled the plug on the [B] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/obama-administration-pulls-the-plug-on-long-term-care-program/"]CLASS Act program[/URL] [/B] for long-term care. Democrats have admitted that there are areas of the law that need some refining, but stand by the individual mandate, which the court determined was constitutional under the legislative branch's power to tax, and intend to make the law a central part of their campaign dialogue. "Things need to be improved in the law, we know that," Rep. Raul Grijalva told ABC News [B] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/house-gears-up-to-repeal-obamacare-again/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter"]this week[/URL] [/B]. "But repeal of it is something that we should all be very aggressive about not only voting against but make it part of the campaign dialogue or debate that goes on for the next four months." Early this afternoon, the House Democratic leadership will hold a news conference featuring the stories of people that have been personally impacted by the benefits of the law. Then, the leadership of both parties is expected to take the floor of the House for a final string of debate ahead of the vote, which is expected to pass between 3:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. ET.[/quote] [URL]http://news.yahoo.com/house-obamacare-repeal-thirty-third-times-charm-151314027--abc-news-politics.html[/URL] Nice to know they have their piorities are straight and they're not being childish about it or anything
Good riddance to Obongo-care, Jesus and the founding fathers would be proud to know that we may no longer have to pay our HARD EARNED MONEY so somebody else can get life saving medical care.
Good. Who cares about a worldwide economic recession, poor people are getting healthcare and they aren't paying for it themselves. It's un-American. Praise Jesus.
How many times have they tried to repeal the patriot act
I was actually watching this on CSPAN yesterday. The democrats would take a turn talking about how it's pathetic they are still discussing the issue(and how they are wasting valuable time before congress goes into recess), then the republicans take a turn and litterally say one negative point of the bill and add on 'we need to repeal obamacare' to the end. It was pointless and kinda just pissed me off watching them go back and forth. Nothing was getting done, you could tell. There was this democratic senator who's name escapes me, I think his english is equivalent to that of a 6th grader. While both sides had speeches that flowed well, were to the point, and coherent, this guy made me just want to :suicide: (it matters when these people are writing the legislation that is the backbone of our country). The best way to describe the situation was completely childish bickering. And believe me when I say it was both parties in their own unique way. One democratic senator decided to use her time to gloat, which definitely isn't going to provide a solution to this argument(if there was one anyways). I would be a little more understanding if the legislation wasn't so obviously split between party lines. This is the perfect example of the problems of a two party system.
They seriously need a double-jeopardy ruling in the Congress, so no active legislation can be put up for repeal twice within the same year.
This is gold for Democrats, why isn't every Republican claim of wanting to create jobs answered with "Instead of creating jobs, you voted to take away poor people's health insurance 33 times"?
Because the poor people are convinced that Obamacare is bad for them
I never understood how they associated the name Obamacare with a negative connotation. It's fucking doublethink I tell you.
The idea wasn't to insult the PPACA with it, but to solidify "Obama" as a pejorative. They wanted to make his name a dirty word in and of itself.
Are these people honestly thinking that healthcare is a bad thing or are they just that corrupt?
[QUOTE=smeismastger;36728734]Are these people honestly thinking that healthcare is a bad thing or are they just that corrupt?[/QUOTE] No one thinks health care is a bad thing.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36728770]No one thinks health care is a bad thing.[/QUOTE] But healthcare for everyone is just dirty commie liberal socialism I tell you what
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;36729682]But healthcare for everyone is just dirty commie liberal socialism I tell you what[/QUOTE] They believe more people will have better coverage under a private system. That isn't hard to understand. I mean it may be factually untrue, but it isn't like these conservatives just want poor people to die.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;36726479]Good. Who cares about a worldwide economic recession, poor people are getting healthcare and they aren't paying for it themselves. It's un-American. Praise Jesus.[/QUOTE] jesus pretty much invented socialized healthcare, what with him going around performing miracles for no money and shit
And, by the way, conservatives do have incentive to provide health care to a majority of people. The more people are taken care of physically, the easier it is for them to work. This benefits the economy in the long run. So while they may not have the correct solution, I believe completely that conservatives do care about the costs of health care as well as ways to fix the system.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;36728186]Because the poor people are convinced that Obamacare is bad for them[/QUOTE] Yeah and the middle class and upper class, i.e. those who became successful and got a college education, are going to be screwed because of this. I'm sorry, but it is called darwinism, those who earned better health care than the general population shouldn't have to get shitty doctors and medicine. You realize that cancer patients, transplants, etc. are going to have to wait even longer? Obamacare caters to the lazy ass, high school education kind of people, that can't do something with their lives.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;36729779]And, by the way, conservatives do have incentive to provide health care to a majority of people. The more people are taken care of physically, the easier it is for them to work. This benefits the economy in the long run. So while they may not have the correct solution, I believe completely that conservatives do care about the costs of health care as well as ways to fix the system.[/QUOTE] You're relying on the assumption they don't get kickbacks from health care companies for efforts which keep their margins high. [URL="http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?cycle=2012&ind=H"]Which is wrong.[/URL] You cannot argue a genuine conviction when it's a funded conviction. And, yes, this also applies to democrats on multiple issues, including aspects of this one.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36730003]You're relying on the assumption they don't get kickbacks from health care companies for efforts which keep their margins high. [URL="http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?cycle=2012&ind=H"]Which is wrong.[/URL] You cannot argue a genuine conviction when it's a funded conviction. And, yes, this also applies to democrats on multiple issues, including aspects of this one.[/QUOTE] Health care companies want a harder public mandate, not to get rid of the public mandate. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] And before you ask for citations I'm finding a source right now. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] "The ACA includes a weak coverage requirement that will encourage people to wait to purchase coverage until after they are sick, which unfairly penalizes those who currently have coverage. A wide range of leading economists and health policy experts agree that enacting guarantee issue and community rating has severe unintended consequences unless they are paired with a strong commitment to achieve universal coverage through an effective and enforceable personal coverage requirement. Studies show that states that have imposed guarantee-issue and rating reform laws in the absence of a personal coverage requirement have seen a rise in insurance premiums, a reduction of individual insurance enrollment and no significant decrease in the number of uninsured. " [url]http://www.ahip.org/Issues/Personal-Coverage-Requirement.aspx[/url] [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] That's just the AHIP, but they seem pretty gung ho about an individual mandate, and they are a very large lobbying group as far as the health care industry is concerned.
Time wasting: the Government.
Reading things like this makes me glad I was born in Australia where we all have free healthcare, if it works here, I can't really see why it would not work elsewhere?
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;36730003]You're relying on the assumption they don't get kickbacks from health care companies for efforts which keep their margins high. [URL="http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?cycle=2012&ind=H"]Which is wrong.[/URL] You cannot argue a genuine conviction when it's a funded conviction. And, yes, this also applies to democrats on multiple issues, including aspects of this one.[/QUOTE] Guess whos #1! [IMG]http://puu.sh/HNyI[/IMG]
[QUOTE=skyms2663;36730297]Reading things like this makes me glad I was born in Australia where we all have free healthcare, if it works here, I can't really see why it would not work elsewhere?[/QUOTE]Because America. No, I'm being serious, this great opposition against socialized healthcare seems to be endemic to America. There really hasn't been a good explanation as to why socialized healthcare is bad, either.
These people should honestly be arrested for trying to repeal the healthcare. The coins of the few are like pebbles before the value of the people having healthy, secure, and more importantly ALIVE bodies. If paying for a private yacht or nuclear sub results in money being diverted from caring for those who ail and hurt, and ends up leading to the cost of the frivolous commodities being paid in the lives of those who died because they couldn't get the healthcare, then those extravagant luxuries are not worth having; they should be confiscated and given to the people.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36730023]That's just the AHIP, but they seem pretty gung ho about an individual mandate, and they are a very large lobbying group as far as the health care industry is concerned.[/QUOTE] Yet opposed the public option, which is why the individual mandate went through and the public option didn't. Dem support for a gutted version of the PPACA was also cash-based (they got the majority of funds, it went through, people were opposed to that element, so it didn't). [QUOTE=Remscar;36730348]Guess whos #1![/QUOTE] Never said the dems were any better. Sad, really, this is the only term anybody will be able to say Obama gives a shit about anything, since he's having kickbacks from funding sources.
33rd time's the charm
[QUOTE=Lambeth;36728186]Because the poor people are convinced that Obamacare is bad for them[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D7W2fW7bjs[/media] skip to 2:00 [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=-Matt-94;36729863]Yeah and the middle class and upper class, i.e. those who became successful and got a college education, are going to be screwed because of this. I'm sorry, but it is called darwinism, those who earned better health care than the general population shouldn't have to get shitty doctors and medicine. You realize that cancer patients, transplants, etc. are going to have to wait even longer? Obamacare caters to the lazy ass, high school education kind of people, that can't do something with their lives.[/QUOTE] fuck everyone that is poor fucking lazy fucks *goes back to typing on computer his parents purchased and finishing his homework to be turned in at a well funded school in a rich part of town*
I admire their persistence. Well, I [I]would[/I], if they weren't a) massive idiots b) hurting people because of this by trying to take healthcare away c) hurting people, again, by not focusing on issues that they could be solving. Hey, isn't there that quote of "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"? [QUOTE=-Matt-94;36729863]Yeah and the middle class and upper class, i.e. those who became successful and got a college education, are going to be screwed because of this. I'm sorry, but it is called darwinism, those who earned better health care than the general population shouldn't have to get shitty doctors and medicine. You realize that cancer patients, transplants, etc. are going to have to wait even longer? Obamacare caters to the lazy ass, high school education kind of people, that can't do something with their lives.[/QUOTE] Have you even gotten into middle school yet? Because if you [I]did[/I] have a middle school education, you would know that the only people who believe in "social darwinism" are sociopathic, racist, worthless sacks of shit who think people deserve to die because they're poor or different. Not that I'm calling [I]you[/I] a worthless sack of shit. I'm only calling people who believe in social darwinism that. And you don't honestly believe it, right? Oh yeah, and only having a high school education means that you're a jobless hobo. Obviously.
I find it amazing that a concept like universal healthcare is so widely opposed by so many people. I seriously am having a hard time getting to grips with that idea, its universal healthcare so what if I have to pay a little more tax at least I won't lose my apartment if I break my leg.
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