[quote="Neowin"][url="http://www.neowin.net/news/hdmi-to-be-replaced-with-an-ethernet-cable"]According to the HDBaseT press release, LG Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sony Pictures Entertainment and Valens Semiconductor are working to kill HDMI. They are trying to replace it with a new standard which will transport the video and audio signals through an ethernet cable. The new stardard will be called HDBaseT.
In the past when industry groups create new standards for audio and video delivery they create a proprietary cable to go with it, but with HDBaseT any Cat 5e/6 cable that you might have laying around will get the job done. [b][i]"The cornerstone of HDBaseT technology is 5Play™, an unrivaled feature-set that converges full uncompressed HD video, audio, 100BaseT Ethernet, high power over cable and various control signals through a single 100m/328ft CAT5e/6 LAN cable. HDBaseT has the bandwidth to support the highest video resolutions such as full HD 1080p as well as 3D and 2Kx4K formats. HDBaseT is the first to provide all-in-one connectivity, making it possible for a single-connector TV to receive power, video/audio, Internet and control signals from the same cable."[/i][/b]
The goal of the technology is to allow all of your devices to be networked together which will allow communication and media sharing throughout the entire house. The technology is expected to be available by the second half of 2011. Companies will be able to license the technology this year which means we should see some of devices show up at CES 2011 in January.[/url][/quote]
Sounds great! Especially running cables over long distance will be handled much better with Cat 5e/6.
This sound pretty awesome, but their goal isn't that great. I can communicate and share media throughout the entire house using 802.11g already.
[QUOTE=Robber;23152192]This sound pretty awesome, but their goal isn't that great. I can communicate and share media throughout the entire house using 802.11g already.[/QUOTE]
HD content over 802.11g doesn't sound like a feasible scenario quite frankly.
In regards to the OP - this sounds great, but I have my doubts on it running on my already in place CAT6, I tried using some Gefen video baluns for the same task, but I could see a little noise creeping in and they required 2 CAT6 connections, one for the video and one for the EDID info.
Colour me impressed if they do pull it off though, I've got a bunch of AV equipment I want to stick in my rack.
[QUOTE=liquid_phase;23152601]HD content over 802.11g doesn't sound like a feasible scenario quite frankly.
In regards to the OP - this sounds great, but I have my doubts on it running on my already in place CAT6, I tried using some Gefen video baluns for the same task, but I could see a little noise creeping in and they required 2 CAT6 connections, one for the video and one for the EDID info.
Colour me impressed if they do pull it off though, I've got a bunch of AV equipment I want to stick in my rack.[/QUOTE]
HD content over 802.11g is fine.
This sounds quite good. I can just bulk buy ethernet cable and run it through the house without having to worry about every adaptor ever.
I really like what the nearby future has in store for us
HDMI is 10.2Gbit/s. HD video, audio AND network data in a 100Mbit ethernet cable? No chance.
[QUOTE=Xera;23154215]HDMI is 10.2Gbit/s. HD video, audio AND network data in a 100Mbit ethernet cable? No chance.[/QUOTE]
There has been gigabit ethernet out for awhile which uses the same cables. Still, that's 9 gigabits behind HDMI. I will be interested to see how they pull it off.
What if they replaced ethernet cables with HDMI? :smug:
[QUOTE=Marnetmar;23156537]What if they replaced ethernet cables with HDMI? :smug:[/QUOTE]
HDMI's max length without repeaters is 15meters.
So Ethernet does have that over HDMI.
Wait what....?
Ethernet shall prevail forever!
Great. I've never been a fan of HDMI.
I was hoping Display Port would catch on though. :(
I love HDMI, and I hope it continues to dominate the market. It's nice hooking up game consoles and computers with only one cable instead of three, five, seven, etc.
[QUOTE=Demache;23154916]There has been gigabit ethernet out for awhile which uses the same cables. Still, that's 9 gigabits behind HDMI. I will be interested to see how they pull it off.[/QUOTE]
1920*1080*24*30+96000*24*8=1.511.424.000
(width*height*bits per pixel*framerate+audio sample rate*bits per sample*number of channels=total video bitrate)
That's well over a gigabit per second. If they want to support higher resolutions and 3D, then it's going to be multiple times higher bitrates. They'll probably use the 10 gigabit standard.
Off the shelf ethernet, no chance. They are [B]developing[/B] it, so maybe they are going to get 10gbps or even 100gbps in to an ethernet cable?
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;23157625]I love HDMI, and I hope it continues to dominate the market. It's nice hooking up game consoles and computers with only one cable instead of three, five, seven, etc.[/QUOTE]
So what, ethernet cable will be able to do the same thing, it'll even carry power for the TV. Apart from that much longer cables will be possible and they'll be a lot cheaper too.
Call me a video noob, but I though bluray movies only uses 50Mbit/s tops for the video bitrate? Why the need of so many gigabits?
Out of curiosity, how's this late? There's no other thread about it.
[QUOTE=Xera;23154215]HDMI is 10.2Gbit/s. HD video, audio AND network data in a 100Mbit ethernet cable? No chance.[/QUOTE]
Hardware on both ends using same protocol to compress it and decompress it live.
[QUOTE=Tools;23157803]Call me a video noob, but I though bluray movies only uses 50Mbit/s tops for the video bitrate? Why the need of so many gigabits?[/QUOTE]
That's because the video on bluray is highly compressed as you wouldn't even be able to fit a 10 minute video on one disc otherwise. The thing is, the player reads the compressed data on the disc, decodes it and then sends the raw video signal over the display connector so the monitor can display the image. As i have shown earlier, the uncompressed signal has a very high bitrate.
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[QUOTE=Van-man;23157886]Hardware on both ends using same protocol to compress it and decompress it live.[/QUOTE]
And introduce compression artifacts with it? That would be a huge step backwards, might as well start using analog connectors instead. It could work for bluray discs and other video that's already compressed, you could just have the tv decode it. But what about other video sources, such as game consoles and PCs? Losless compression is definitely out of the question for multiple reasons:
- with 4k resolutions and 3D, the uncompressed bitrate would be well over 5Gbit/s, i doubt it's even possible to to compress it to less than a gigabit
- losless compression can't have constant bitrate, some things will compress extremely well, while others won't compress at all.
- powerful hardware would be required to encode/decode it in realtime
yesss! cant wait to buy my $200 monster ethernet cable
[QUOTE=Panda X;23157855]Out of curiosity, how's this late? There's no other thread about it.[/QUOTE]
Everything is always late
Personally, I would like to see optical video cables.
But this suffices.
is it actually ethernet, or are they just using a rj port?
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[QUOTE=codenamecueball;23157751]Off the shelf ethernet, no chance. They are [B]developing[/B] it, so maybe they are going to get 10gbps or even 100gbps in to an ethernet cable?[/QUOTE]
like I said, it could just be a registered jack that they're calling ethernet just to keep shit simple.
for all we know it could be fiber optics.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;23160916]is it actually ethernet, or are they just using a rj port?
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like I said, it could just be a registered jack that they're calling ethernet just to keep shit simple.
for all we know it could be fiber optics.[/QUOTE]
They actually mentioned it will be standard cat 5e/cat 6 cables.
I thought everything was going to be replaced by Intel's [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightpeak"]Lightpeak[/URL] at some point?
Im gonna rock all night long with cheap [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Gigabit_Ethernet]100 gigabit ethernet[/url]
Fuck yeah! Sounds super cool.
At first I thought this was about HDMI 1.4, with Ethernet in HDMI.
Sound interesting how they will pull it off.
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