• Legendary CPU Architect Jim Keller leaves AMD
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[QUOTE] [IMG]http://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2015/9/1b70c8cd-73d1-4cab-bc44-903e46d0351a.png[/IMG] [url]http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/86585-legendary-cpu-architect-jim-keller-leaves-amd/[/url] Well known for his work during AMD's heyday, Keller (pictured) was involved in the creation of the original Athlon architecture, K7, and then served as a lead architect on K8. After playing an instrumental role in developing the world's first native x86-64 bit architecture, Keller later joined Apple and helped develop the company's A4 and A5 SoCs before rejoining AMD in 2012 to spearhead the firm's upcoming Zen architecture.[/QUOTE]
His work on Zen probably finished a few months ago. AMD probably already has engineering samples for Zen. People shouldn't worry. He left AMD just before k8 was launched and look how that turned out. He seems to be the kind of guy that comes, turns things around for the better and leaves to repeat the process somewhere else.
[QUOTE=ghost901;48713433]His work on Zen probably finished a few months ago. AMD probably already has engineering samples for Zen. People shouldn't worry. He left AMD just before k8 was launched and look how that turned out. He seems to be the kind of guy that comes, turns things around for the better and leaves to repeat the process somewhere else.[/QUOTE] a cpu fairy?
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48713472]a cpu fairy?[/QUOTE] We'll have to wait and see how Zen performs.
Here's hoping that Zen's a worth upgrade
[QUOTE=ghost901;48713433]His work on Zen probably finished a few months ago. AMD probably already has engineering samples for Zen. People shouldn't worry. He left AMD just before k8 was launched and look how that turned out. He seems to be the kind of guy that comes, turns things around for the better and leaves to repeat the process somewhere else.[/QUOTE] Still, that's gotta hurt. Zen's not gonna be their last architecture, and their next ones sure aren't gonna be [I]better[/I] for this guy leaving.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48713615]Still, that's gotta hurt. Zen's not gonna be their last architecture, and their next ones sure aren't gonna be [I]better[/I] for this guy leaving.[/QUOTE] It'll be years before a new architecture will be needed. The plans for zen+ and such are most likely already in place.
[QUOTE=ghost901;48713663]It'll be years before a new architecture will be needed. The plans for zen+ and such are most likely already in place.[/QUOTE] Pretty much, Zen will be make-or-break for AMD
[QUOTE=Van-man;48713685]Pretty much, Zen will be make-or-break for AMD[/QUOTE] Yeah, their stock is the lowest it's ever been: [t]https://s.gvid.me/s/2015/09/18/CY6817.png[/t] It'd be a miracle if they could turn it around now, AMD has 1/300th the equity Intel does, and has a negative net revenue.(-$403 Million as of 2014)
Ian is that you? [img]http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5218792.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Ian-3JPG.jpg[/img]
I hope AMD recovers. Intel's monopoly on the market is bullshit to begin with-- shit, if there was any other practical alternative I'd stop buying Intel altogether.
"Goodbye AMD, hello nVidia!"
[QUOTE=Monkah;48714688]I hope AMD recovers. Intel's monopoly on the market is bullshit to begin with-- shit, if there was any other practical alternative I'd stop buying Intel altogether.[/QUOTE] competition is good for everyone etc etc it's still pretty great though to get 6 core cpus for like nothing
Zen really needs to incite competition, even if it's for a relatively short period. Intel has been sitting on their asses for too long, and it's obvious that if they wanted to, they could pull out some significant upgrades over what we've had for the past 5 years or so. I mean, Ivy Bridge was only slightly better than Sandy Bridge, Haswell is only slightly better than Ivy, and so on and so on. I know plenty of people who are still running Sandy Bridge CPUs, simply because there hasn't been a great incentive to upgrade for them. Games still perform fine, and CPUs (Intel ones anyway) are a significant investment on more levels than just the high cost alone. Throw in only slight incremental improvements, and the justification to upgrade is only lessened. As for AMD, they really haven't been a decent alternative since maybe the days of the Phenom II, and even that's pushing it. Their best CPU currently is an 8-core mess that barely manages to meet the performance of a non hyperthreaded Intel quad-core from a couple of years back, while also using more energy to do so. I say that as someone who actually owns that very AMD CPU. Intel needs to be prodded, because this lack of competition is only holding back the industry and slowing down progress on the consumer end. Hopefully Zen is the answer, but I'm doubtful. I just hope that if AMD can't bring the fire, someone else will.
[QUOTE=Rahu X;48715223]Zen really needs to incite competition, even if it's for a relatively short period. Intel has been sitting on their asses for too long, and it's obvious that if they wanted to, they could pull out some significant upgrades over what we've had for the past 5 years or so. I mean, Ivy Bridge was only slightly better than Sandy Bridge, Haswell is only slightly better than Ivy, and so on and so on. I know plenty of people who are still running Sandy Bridge CPUs, simply because there hasn't been a great incentive to upgrade for them. Games still perform fine, and CPUs (Intel ones anyway) are a significant investment on more levels than just the high cost alone. Throw in only slight incremental improvements, and the justification to upgrade is only lessened. As for AMD, they really haven't been a decent alternative since maybe the days of the Phenom II, and even that's pushing it. Their best CPU currently is an 8-core mess that barely manages to meet the performance of a non hyperthreaded Intel quad-core from a couple of years back, while also using more energy to do so. I say that as someone who actually owns that very AMD CPU. Intel needs to be prodded, because this lack of competition is only holding back the industry and slowing down progress on the consumer end. Hopefully Zen is the answer, but I'm doubtful. I just hope that if AMD can't bring the fire, someone else will.[/QUOTE] This is the most well written and informed/informative post I've seen all week. Great job.
Can AMD even turn things around? The way I see it, anyone skilled enough to make something that can beat Intel is going to go to Intel instead of jumping onto a sinking ship. Even their GPUs have been trying to catch up since the nvidia 7800GTX and I think they released something better than the 8800ultra before nvidia did. They haven't been making the best GPUs but they've been making them good enough.
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48715251]This is the most well written and informed/informative post I've seen all week. Great job.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling you're being sarcastic, but either way, thanks?:wavey:
[QUOTE=Rahu X;48715347]I have a feeling you're being sarcastic, but either way, thanks?:wavey:[/QUOTE] I'm not!
Didn't AMD put a big chunk of their money into their CPU division's R&D?
[QUOTE=Dr.C;48715286]Can AMD even turn things around? The way I see it, anyone skilled enough to make something that can beat Intel is going to go to Intel instead of jumping onto a sinking ship. Even their GPUs have been trying to catch up since the nvidia 7800GTX and I think they released something better than the 8800ultra before nvidia did. They haven't been making the best GPUs but they've been making them good enough.[/QUOTE] wtf is this stupid nonsense They are reliant on TSMC, just like nvidia and the way it's going they'll have the better nm waters before nvidia. Their GPUs are on par, might even be better next gen
[QUOTE=coyote93;48717785]I only bought amd parts when I build my last desktop. They ain't gotta get no moneh to build better shit if no one buys their current shit :>[/QUOTE] Problem is people who do this make up a tiny fraction of their market. Premade computers and laptops will have all the new, (and by new I mean greatly better CPU but taking up most of the die with a shitty integrated GPU) CPU's. It's actually hilarious, all these enthusiast CPU's now have a GPU taking up ~50 - 60% of the die even when it's aimed at enthusiasts. Which is great for Intel because they can capture a larger audience and mop the floor with AMD APUs, at the expense of little CPU improvement [editline]19th September 2015[/editline] But you're all wrong saying they aren't making them better, they are. Intel are just making their GPU Real estate bigger at the same time :^)
[QUOTE=Tasm;48717804]Problem is people who do this make up a tiny fraction of their market. Premade computers and laptops will have all the new, (and by new I mean greatly better CPU but taking up most of the die with a shitty integrated GPU) CPU's. It's actually hilarious, all these enthusiast CPU's now have a GPU taking up ~50 - 60% of the die even when it's aimed at enthusiasts. Which is great for Intel because they can capture a larger audience and mop the floor with AMD APUs, at the expense of little CPU improvement [editline]19th September 2015[/editline] But you're all wrong saying they aren't making them better, they are. Intel are just making their GPU Real estate bigger at the same time :^)[/QUOTE] The idea behind AMDs APUs is to eventually offload floating point operations onto the GPU. AMD just made the mistake of crippling bulldozer in favor of those ideas. If they happen to add HBM2 memory onto consumer bassed Zen APUs then that might give Intel some real competition in the mobile market.
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