Plans have been drawn up for a full-blown 'United States of Europe' and Britain will have little say
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[QUOTE]Plans have been drawn up for a full-blown United States of Europe over which Britain will have 'very little say', a Cabinet minister warned today.
The Prime Minister has promised that, as a result of his referendum reforms, Britain will not be sucked into an EU superstate.
But Chris Grayling, the leader of the Commons, pointed to a document signed last September in Rome by the speakers of the national parliaments in Germany, France, Italy and Luxembourg.
It says that 'concrete proposals' to deepen EU integration towards a 'federal union of states' will be drawn up at a meeting in Luxembourg next month.
The joint declaration states: 'We are convinced that new impetus must be given to European integration. We believe that more, not less, Europe is needed to respond to the challenges we face.'[/QUOTE]
Source: [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3556298/Plans-drawn-blown-United-States-Europe-Britain-little-say-warns-Tory-minister.html[/URL]
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What. Can you imagine Europe being unified into one nation
The German annexation begins.
Hell no, U.S. is our abbreviation, you guys can use U.C(Coalition). or something.
And I'm honestly not convinced that giving the EU more power over their individual member nations is a good thing.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50194195]What. Can you imagine Europe being unified into one nation[/QUOTE]
Sure, why not. I'm not gonna say if it is a good or bad thing, but country lines and borders are a thing we've made up. Countries have shrunk and expanded constantly throughout time.
I personally can't see it going well, but we'll see, I suppose.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50194204]Hell no, U.S. is our abbreviation, you guys can use U.C(Coalition). or something.[/QUOTE]
They can use U.E (United Europe)
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[QUOTE=Kylel999;50194195]What. Can you imagine Europe being unified into one nation[/QUOTE]
As someone not very informed about Europe, are they already integrated enough to might as well be states? I would think not. I would kind of want independence. I'm not really in on this whole thing to really justifiably lean either way, though.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50194195]What. Can you imagine Europe being unified into one nation[/QUOTE]
Yes, I can. It finally means no more fuckery with laws being kinda similar, but still significantly different. This is a great opportunity for unification and friendship.
Nooo the countries and peoples are too different it's causing problems as it is.
I'd have my country team up with the rest of the Nordics though.
Here's an idea: north, south, west and east can all form coalitions amongst themselves. Central European countries likewise, or ask to join one of the former. South probably.
What I mean is it'd be crazy actually looking at a map and just seeing "United Coalition of Europe" or whatever and explaining to your kids that it wasn't that way for a really long time
Find a non-Daily Mail source, please.
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[QUOTE=Kylel999;50194257]What I mean is can you imagine actually looking at a map and just seeing "United Coalition of Europe" or whatever and explaining to your kids that it wasn't that way for a really long time[/QUOTE]
USA, and USE would be kinda cool to be honest. No idea what the Europeans would think of it.
I kinda feel like we're going to need to combine our efforts eventually so a handful of superstates is better than hundreds of little states. I think we had the right idea when the colonies decided a Confederation of states didn't work and just essentially became one big one.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;50194218]They can use U.E (United Europe)[/QUOTE]
That probably wouldn't be used as confidently for similar reasons that we don't call ourselves "United America", because there are other countries in America with no direct affiliation.
In a similar way there are countries in the schegen zone that aren't members of the EU and and members of the EU that aren't part of the Schgen zone, which is a pretty significant divide.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I'd imagine that a combine state will need a unified language, here hoping it's English.
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That's only north America, there still central and south, also this discussion is not supposed to take place in public please remember to use our locally assigned Skype groups.
Historically, it was the European integration process that contributed most to European reconstruction after WWII, and certainly contributed to the lack of European-wide wars. There are ways to achieve federal union while respecting the history, heritage and unique cultures of each European state. I'd say its a worthy goal and one of the best shots Europe has at facing the collective problems they face in the future.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50194283]It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I'd imagine that a combine state will need a unified language, here hoping it's English.[/QUOTE]
And then in 100 years or whatever the other European languages are just forgotten artifacts :(
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50194325]also this discussion is not supposed to take place in public please remember to use our locally assigned Skype groups.[/QUOTE]
I FUCKING KNEW IT
[QUOTE=OvB;50194258]Find a non-Daily Mail source, please.
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USA, and USE would be kinda cool to be honest. No idea what the Europeans would think of it.
I kinda feel like we're going to need to combine our efforts eventually so a handful of superstates is better than hundreds of little states. I think we had the right idea when the colonies decided a Confederation of states didn't work and just essentially became one big one.[/QUOTE]
Problem is, there is still too much potential for global conflict between a handful of superstates. Superstate union doesn't go far enough. The surest way to secure collective success and eliminate destructive and pointless human warfare is working towards global union.
One step at a time.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;50194341]And then in 100 years or whatever the other European languages are just forgotten artifacts :([/QUOTE]
A valid fear, but ultimately having a common language exists only to promote common understanding and mutual intelligibility. It would exist as a secondary language for that purpose, whereas each region/nation/culture will still have their primary language as the main language for day-to-day. They don't have to erase each other, they can be used in tandem but certainly in different contexts.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;50194351]Problem is, there is still too much potential for global conflict between a handful of superstates. Superstate union doesn't go far enough. The surest way to secure collective success and eliminate destructive and pointless human warfare is working towards global union.[/QUOTE]
A global union would be the end result, but first the smaller neighborhoods have to form their own unions. Once we have 5-7 superstate unions (and probably a few wars with each other lets be honest) then a global union can be considered. I can't see that happening for hundreds of years.
Dailymail has put the brexit propaganda to full gear it seems. Highly unlikely they would have such a plans so bluntly put forward. More integration on border issues and security? Probably. Making an Unified state? Impossible, all you need to look is the ammount of different peoples and languages in europe. Not to mention still existing past feuds between states and mistrust between them.
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;50194341]And then in 100 years or whatever the other European languages are just forgotten artifacts :([/QUOTE]
Culture and dialects will remain as long as you don't have tyrants trying to extinguish them. Go to the American south and then the American north east. Completely different identities despite being part of the same State union for decades. There's still Spanish culture in Florida, French culture in Louisiana, and Mexican culture in Texas and Arizona. Culture is more dependent on the people rather than the borders or Governance.
You guys can have a global Union when the rest of us are on our way to colonize alpha centauri, until then you can keep your shitty pepper spray banning politicians to yourselves.
[QUOTE=OvB;50194373]A global union would be the end result, but first the smaller neighborhoods have to form their own unions. Once we have 5-7 superstate unions (and probably a few wars with each other lets be honest) then a global union can be considered. I can't see that happening for hundreds of years.[/QUOTE]
Frankly, I think making one global union is a dumb idea. All it takes is one hitler and suddenly there is no 'other side'. No one man should have that much power.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50194400]Frankly, I think making one global union is a dumb idea. All it takes is one hitler and suddenly there is no 'other side'. No one man should have that much power.[/QUOTE]
i figure by the time we get a global union actually running it will be out of the hands of men and in the hands of autonomy
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50194400]Frankly, I think making one global union is a dumb idea. All it takes is one hitler and suddenly there is no 'other side'. No one man should have that much power.[/QUOTE]
That's why countries have a system of checks and balances; there's no reason a global country couldn't have that too.
We aren't talking about a global monarchy or dictatorship here.
[QUOTE=OvB;50194373]A global union would be the end result, but first the smaller neighborhoods have to form their own unions. Once we have 5-7 superstate unions (and probably a few wars with each other lets be honest) then a global union can be considered. I can't see that happening for hundreds of years.[/QUOTE]
Global unions would never happen unless we get invaded by actual aliens. We have far too many differences, issues, incompetent leadership and lack of trust between each other to ever have such an union actually working correctly, instead of turning in a non-stop shitshow where the values of most cultures clash against each other nonstop.
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