• 40 000 people meet up in rain in front of Breivik court to sing song of unity
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[URL]http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/22juli/40000-samlet-pa-Youngstorget---En-hyllest-til-de-dode-og-parorende--6815047.html[/URL] [IMG]http://ap.mnocdn.no/incoming/article6815297.ece/ALTERNATES/w780c169/FS00025387.jpg[/IMG] [quote]Oslo, Norway. - This is for the 77 dead, and all the injured and affected, and those who put their lives on the line to help the people in Oslo and on Utøya. We hope they experience this as something positive, during heavy weeks, Linn Hjønnevåg says, who together with Christine Bar has taken the initiative to organize this gathering. [B]5000 people said they'd come - 40 000 showed up[/B] The police said that at least 10 000 people met up at Youngstorget in front of the court, but not long after they estimated the number to be at around 40 000 people. All sorts of people have met up at Youngstorget today: Parents, kindergartens, teenagers, politicians and pensioners. This meeting marks a protest after Anders Behring Breivik in court said the song [Children of the rainbow] was an example of Marxist indoctrination of children. - He's treading on our children's song. One we've grown up with that we sing to our children, and one that describes a world we wish to live in - with global unity. He's - I'm here to mark and honor the dead and their families. I want to take this song back, and I think this is a good way of doing so, Møllstad says. Afterwards she and her son is going to leave roses outside the courtroom in a remembrance ceremony. - I think it's nice to decorate our city again, like we did after 22. July. [B]Also in other cities[/B] A lot of other Norwegian cities are also having similar arrangements. Amongst them are Drammen, Kristiansand, Tvedestrand, Hamar, Tromsø, Elverum, Stavanger, Mandal, Trondheim, Hønefoss, Bergen, Steinkjer, Sarpsborg and Arendal. - We had hoped this would happen other places too. We encouraged people to take initiative where they lived, and that they did, Hjønnevåg says. - The response has been overwhelming. Even on Iceland they're marking. In Reykvjavik today, at 12 o'clock. I've also seen entire school classes sing at the square today, it's great, Hjønnevåg says.[/quote] I'll post a video when it's uploaded. They sung in Norwegian then in English, it was pretty sweet. The original song is "My Rainbow Race" by Pete Seeger, lyrics [URL="http://www.lyricsmania.com/my_rainbow_race_lyrics_pete_seeger.html"]here.[/URL] (Yes that's really the song Breivik thought was Marxist propaganda)
Haha, I instantly thought of the scene where the Grinch realizes that him stealing the presents did nothing to stop the Christmas spirit.
Now they all can play Warhammer 40,000
Imagine if the whole world was like Norway.
That's some real spirit right there
In a twisted, bizarre sort of way, Breivik may have partially achieved his goal after all.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;35717471]In a twisted, bizarre sort of way, Breivik may have partially achieved his goal after all.[/QUOTE] How?
[QUOTE=Tibbolax;35717400]Now they all can play Warhammer 40,000[/QUOTE] haha yeah xD the numbers are the same good observation officer shitpost
Germanic countries always seem so nice. [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] I didn't even want that to sound funny :v:
over 70 people are murdered by one person in Norway and people are able to keep their composure and hope for an orderly trial one kid gets killed in the US and idiots start calling for a race war
Update: Breivik's response: "No comment"
[QUOTE=Marbalo;35717414]I admire Norwegian perseverance and levelheadedness. The fact that this is a rally for unity rather than a violent riot demanding to "hang Breivik" is inspiring.[/QUOTE] Too bad fascism isn't fought by holding hands and singing kumbaya. This man should've been made an example of and shot immediately. But then again liberals are historically pretty shit at repressing fascism and its destructive outburts.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;35717448]Imagine if the whole world was like Norway.[/QUOTE] Oh god no. [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;35718141]This man should've been made an example of and shot immediately. [/QUOTE] Another customer for free rides to best korea, learn what rights are, why they're not grey issues and how a constitutional state works. As in, actually works.
I have no idea what you're saying.
[QUOTE=Conscript;35718260]I have no idea what you're saying.[/QUOTE] What I'm saying is that norway is a constitutional state, and thus, constitutionally, guarantees a right to life. By requesting Breivik be shot, you're asking for those rights to be revoked. The exact same rights that guarantee you a right to life and freedom and so on. Good job.
Congratulations, you discovered I'm not a liberal and don't care about liberal constitutions. Maybe if liberals didn't insist on pluralism so much we wouldn't have to deal with far right scum like breivik.
That's not saying "I'm not a liberal", that's saying "I don't support democracy"
perfect setting for another attack imo
In the US, terrorists are sent to harsh prisons and in many cases sentenced to death. In Norway, we put them in a hotel and sing songs that they don't like. :v:
[QUOTE=Conscript;35718141]Too bad fascism isn't fought by holding hands and singing kumbaya. This man should've been made an example of and shot immediately. But then again liberals are historically pretty shit at repressing fascism and its destructive outburts.[/QUOTE] Killing or being killed for ones own beliefs is akin to martyrdom and celebration. You don't see many suicide bombers running for government instead, do ya? Being shown for what he is - a coldhearted murderer on the world stage destroys any mystery, suspicion and controversy. Locked away in a cell for the rest of his life means people will forget about him eventually. Limiting any future damage. Also, please define what the heck you mean by that last sentence. It makes no sense.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35718864]media seems to think we "won" by singing a bad song and tossing flowers around, which is absolutely ridiculous and stupid. breivik won the second the media started pumping out news articles, and for every bit of attention we give him, he has another victory. after the 22nd of july our prime minister said that nothing will change, but what do you know? people are paranoid, gun laws are changing and everyone has to be politically correct when saying something or the media calls them out as a breivik sympathiser and racist.[/QUOTE] It depends on what you see as a victory. "50,000 people morning the death of an unprovoke attack, supporting Norway's way of life and rejecting the killers facism." or "Killer gets to speak mind, people throw flowers at him, violence and chaos everywhere!" [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;35718472]Congratulations, you discovered I'm not a liberal and don't care about liberal constitutions. Maybe if liberals didn't insist on pluralism so much we wouldn't have to deal with far right scum like breivik.[/QUOTE] Liberals create fascism? So.. does conservatism create communism? I don't even.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;35718864]media seems to think we "won" by singing a bad song and tossing flowers around, which is absolutely ridiculous and stupid. breivik won the second the media started pumping out news articles, and for every bit of attention we give him, he has another victory. after the 22nd of july our prime minister said that nothing will change, but what do you know? people are paranoid, gun laws are changing and everyone has to be politically correct when saying something or the media calls them out as a breivik sympathiser and racist.[/QUOTE] Yes, that's how the media works and I agree with you mostly. Doesn't change the fact that this remembrance ceremony is a good thing.
[QUOTE=mac338;35718704]That's not saying "I'm not a liberal", that's saying "I don't support democracy"[/QUOTE] How did you arrive to this? Endangered, I don't see the problem. As a fascist, his 'martyrdom' will only be recognized by...fascists. though I wouldn't be surprised if liberals throw a hissy fit over the rights of fascists as a political movement being violated, but this will only prove my point about their apathy and incompetence when dealing with a fascist rise. The only way to deal with the far right is to grant them no platform.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;35717448]Imagine if the whole world was like Norway.[/QUOTE] Salmon and moose meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
[QUOTE=Conscript;35719010]How did you arrive to this? Endangered, I don't see the problem. As a fascist, his 'martyrdom' will only be recognized by...fascists. though I wouldn't be surprised if liberals throw a hissy fit over the rights of fascists as a political movement being violated, but this will only prove my point about their apathy and incompetence when dealing with a fascist rise. The only way to deal with the far right is to grant them no platform.[/QUOTE] Granting them no platform is a far-right belief. Free speech does involve, to an extent, the right to express mainstream and fringe beliefs, and everyone else's right to mock or accept them. He's not running for office, it's a public trial. You can only truly respect your government if you know how it treats it's citizens. Mass murderer or not, sometimes people want answers to questions some don't want to ask. Getting all conservative and 'oh no we shouldn't let them talk they might say something horrible!' is a nanny state idea. You seem to make up your own assumptions as you go along. Here's some life advice: Calm down, and listen to what people say before extrapolating on whole groups of people. I'm not spamming you with dumbs because you're not a liberal.
[QUOTE=shian;35719021]Grandiosa for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.[/QUOTE] ftfy Most popular pizza (and maybe dinner) here.
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[QUOTE=SeamanStains;35717448]Imagine if the whole world was like Norway.[/QUOTE] You mean a small privileged country with lots of money?
[QUOTE=Conscript;35718141]This man should've been made an example of and shot immediately.[/QUOTE]Should either have been shot before surrender by police, or not at all. You do not shoot an unarmed person, regardless of how many they've killed. Next you'll start shooting people who haven't actually killed anybody. How's that for facism?
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;35719097]Granting them no platform is a far-right belief.[/quote] No, it's coercive, but not necessarily some far right belief. [quote]Free speech does involve, to an extent, the right to express mainstream and fringe beliefs, and everyone else's right to mock or accept them. He's not running for office, it's a public trial. You can only truly respect your government if you know how it treats it's citizens. Mass murderer or not, sometimes people want answers to questions some don't want to ask. Getting all conservative and 'oh no we shouldn't let them talk they might say something horrible!' is a nanny state idea.[/quote] Sorry, I refuse to respect state-enforced rights when the state accepts fascists and other rabid nationalists as constituents. Pluralism is more or less kept around so the government can swing in whatever direction it wants when it's most advantageous to its constituents. Also this isn't just about breivik, he represents the wider wave of islamophobic fascism sweeping across europe and making gains by making themselves relevant to the state's politics. This is a dangerous development and I refuse to sit behind the liberal principles and morals I was taught and let them do what they want, ESPECIALLY in light of history. [quote]You seem to make up your own assumptions as you go along. Here's some life advice: Calm down, and listen to what people say before extrapolating on whole groups of people. I'm not spamming you with dumbs because you're not a liberal.[/QUOTE] You are clearly pretty divorced from reality and never dealt with fascists before. It's certainly not unprecedented, liberals wait until the last minute to declare fascists as their enemy (usually when they finally reject your constitution) and, at least in the interwar period, look to the communists and anarchists to protect them. [QUOTE=Lizzrd;35719307]Should either have been shot before surrender by police, or not at all. You do not shoot an unarmed person, regardless of how many they've killed.[/quote] Um, the death penalty is not alien to liberalism or the states it created. [quote]Next you'll start shooting people who haven't actually killed anybody.[/quote] Not even states wait until their enemies actually start shooting to attack them. [quote]How's that for facism?[/QUOTE] If you're trying to construe anti-fascist action as fascism, you don't really know the meaning of either.
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