• WMDs found in Iraq
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The liberation of Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom) was justified after all, not that I ever had any doubts. Not only did we free their people and put an end to genocide, but we also found chemical weapons and it turns out that Saddam Hussein was working on a WMD program after all. [quote]By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction. An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents. In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base. Three months later, in northern Iraq, U.S. scouts went to look in on a “chemical weapons” complex. “One of the bunkers has been tampered with,” they write. “The integrity of the seal [around the complex] appears intact, but it seems someone is interesting in trying to get into the bunkers.” Meanwhile, the second battle of Fallujah was raging in Anbar province. In the southeastern corner of the city, American forces came across a “house with a chemical lab … substances found are similar to ones (in lesser quantities located a previous chemical lab.” The following day, there’s a call in another part of the city for explosive experts to dispose of a “chemical cache.” Nearly three years later, American troops were still finding WMD in the region. An armored Buffalo vehicle unearthed a cache of artillery shells “that was covered by sacks and leaves under an Iraqi Community Watch checkpoint. “The 155mm rounds are filled with an unknown liquid, and several of which are leaking a black tar-like substance.” Initial tests were inconclusive. But later, “the rounds tested positive for mustard.” In WikiLeaks’ massive trove of nearly 392,000 Iraq war logs are hundreds of references to chemical and biological weapons. Most of those are intelligence reports or initial suspicions of WMD that don’t pan out. In July 2004, for example, U.S. forces come across a Baghdad building with gas masks, gas filters, and containers with “unknown contents” inside. Later investigation revealed those contents to be vitamins. But even late in the war, WMDs were still being unearthed. In the summer of 2008, according to one WikiLeaked report, American troops found at least 10 rounds that tested positive for chemical agents. “These rounds were most likely left over from the [Saddam]-era regime. Based on location, these rounds may be an AQI [Al Qaeda in Iraq] cache. However, the rounds were all total disrepair and did not appear to have been moved for a long time.” A small group — mostly of the political right — has long maintained that there was more evidence of a major and modern WMD program than the American people were led to believe. A few Congressmen and Senators gravitated to the idea, but it was largely dismissed as conspiratorial hooey. The WMD diehards will likely find some comfort in these newly-WikiLeaked documents. Skeptics will note that these relatively small WMD stockpiles were hardly the kind of grave danger that the Bush administration presented in the run-up to the war. But the more salient issue may be how insurgents and Islamic extremists (possibly with the help of Iran) attempted to use these lethal and exotic arms. As Spencer noted earlier, a January 2006 war log claims that “neuroparalytic” chemical weapons were smuggled in from Iran. That same month, then “chemical weapons specialists” were apprehended in Balad. These “foreigners” were there specifically “to support the chemical weapons operations.” The following month, an intelligence report refers to a “chemical weapons expert” that “provided assistance with the gas weapons.” What happened to that specialist, the WikiLeaked document doesn’t say.[/quote] [url]http://bit.ly/dr41e9[/url]
looks like america needs some more oil
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[quote]these relatively small WMD stockpiles were hardly the kind of grave danger that the Bush administration presented in the run-up to the war.[/quote] Misleading title.
We knew about the chemical agents. No one was talking about those when they said there were WMD's in the country. Everyone thought nuclear weapons, and still does, that was their justification. [editline]30th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=lil_n00blett;25751297]Misleading title.[/QUOTE] This too.
Misleading title, Bush justified the war with the thought that they had nuclear weapons. [quote]Not only did we free their people and put an end to genocide[/quote] I also laughed at this bit.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25751302]We knew about the chemical agents. No one was talking about those when they said there were WMD's in the country. Everyone thought nuclear weapons, and still does, that was their justification. [editline]30th October 2010[/editline] This too.[/QUOTE] The various governments putting the case for war across did stretch the truth a bit. So far from what I have seen in the news Iraq did / does not have any chemical weapon that can be deployed in 45 minutes and hit other countries, which was claimed by some. (Not counting the missile they dug up a few years ago which had rusted right through) But who knows what they might find in the future, Iraq is a big country.
[QUOTE=Violetta;25751104]The liberation of Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom) [B] 1. was justified after all,[/B] not that I ever had any doubts. [B]2. Not only did we free their people and put an end to genocide[/B], [B]3. but we also found chemical weapons[/B] and it turns out that Saddam Hussein was working on a WMD program after all. [/QUOTE] [B]1.[/B] Oh yeah it was "justified" but it wasn't a good reason. Oil and power. [B]2.[/B] Lol under Saddams' rule the Iraqi populous were safer and more stable then they were for the 7 years after invasion. So I guess it's the U.S.'s job to fight any government they don't like? Shit they got a lot of invading to do then [B]3.[/B] Um that shit has been known since the gulf war and prior. Most countries in general have some form of a chemical weapon in their arsenal.
Stop. Posting. These. Threads.
[QUOTE=Violetta;25751104]The liberation of Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom) was justified after all, not that I ever had any doubts. Not only did we free their people and put an end to genocide, but we also found chemical weapons and it turns out that Saddam Hussein was working on a WMD program after all.[/QUOTE] Absolutely. God spoke to me and said that the Iraq war was justified and that Americans are the chosen people to lead the world into a glorious golden age of Christianity a alright I can't do this anymore
Weapons of Minor Destruction
Justification aside, The chemical weapons he had were really dangerous some sort of nerve agent, he tested them on a village of kurds and it killed every last one of them.
[QUOTE=The mouse;25751946]Weapons of Minor Destruction[/QUOTE] Weapons of possible inconvenience
In this day and age war is hardly ever justified especially when the soldiers had such a low success rate when they could have been doing much cheaper better ways to help
ITT: Liberals
[QUOTE=Mabus;25751948]Justification aside, The chemical weapons he had were really dangerous some sort of nerve agent, he tested them on a village of kurds and it killed every last one of them.[/QUOTE] Most countries have forms of chemical weapons. Guess they should get invaded too? Really I'm not about the whole lovey dovey WAR IS EVIL type of idealism. But even in this case I don't even think the U.S.'s invasion paid off in their "secret" objectives. Pretty much a stalemate/failure.
[QUOTE=Covalent;25751998]ITT: Liberals[/QUOTE] Yeah reality hits you conservatives like a train
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25751990]In this day and age war is hardly ever justified especially when the soldiers had such a low success rate when they could have been doing much cheaper better ways to help[/QUOTE] what? War is and will always be around. Long as there are 2 humans left. Deal with it and utilize it. The world will never be candyland with world peace everywhere.
[QUOTE=Covalent;25751998]ITT: Liberals[/QUOTE] ITP: someone who think that chemical weapons that were totally ineffective were justification for war, instead of really believing that they went there for oil. There were no WMD's. That much is obvious to everyone but you.
[QUOTE=Aman V;25751999]Most countries have forms of chemical weapons. Guess they should get invaded too? Really I'm not about the whole lovey dovey WAR IS EVIL type of idealism. But even in this case I don't even think the U.S.'s invasion paid off in their "secret" objectives. Pretty much a stalemate/failure.[/QUOTE] We should invade every country because everyone of them has some weapon or another
[QUOTE=Aman V;25752019]what? War is and will always be around. Long as there are 2 humans left. Deal with it and utilize it. The world will never be candyland with world peace everywhere.[/QUOTE] for your own good, ignore him. His posts don't make sense. [editline]30th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25752031]We should invade every country because everyone of them has some weapon or another[/QUOTE] I hope to fuck this is sarcasm.
[QUOTE=Aman V;25752019]what? War is and will always be around. Long as there are 2 humans left. Deal with it and utilize it. The world will never be candyland with world peace everywhere.[/QUOTE] I didn't say we wont have it i'm saying that its usually not justified and war happens over resources, so if we get enough resources then countries wont really need to go to war [editline]30th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25752047] I hope to fuck this is sarcasm.[/QUOTE] of course it is
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25752108]I didn't say we wont have it i'm saying that its usually not justified and war happens over resources, so if we get enough resources then countries wont really need to go to war [editline]30th October 2010[/editline] of course it is[/QUOTE] stop posting you make no sense. please.
War will always happen. always. War will happen for any reason over anything. We're a stupid species like that. Stopping war is about as impossible a task as it gets.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25752143]War will always happen. always. War will happen for any reason over anything. We're a stupid species like that. Stopping war is about as impossible a task as it gets.[/QUOTE] Thats a great way to look at a problem, just say its impossible. If you stop the reasons why people go to war then you will have less war like lets say you have better ways of making energy or get people to be smarter
[QUOTE=Covalent;25751998]ITT: Liberals[/QUOTE] Thank you for pointing that out Nancy Drew.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25752182]Thats a great way to look at a problem, just say its impossible. If you stop the reasons why people go to war then you will have less war like lets say you have better ways of making energy or get people to be smarter[/QUOTE] YEAH CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD DO THE IMPOSSIBLE WE COULD DO THE IMPOSSIBLE! That is pretty much what you are saying and it makes my head hurt
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;25751266]Wikileaks - Making people not trust their government since 2010[/QUOTE] Wikileaks - Releasing documents that the country shouldn't have given or hidden in the first place.
[QUOTE=Roof;25752817]Wikileaks - Releasing documents that the country shouldn't have given or hidden in the first place.[/QUOTE] "releasing documents that the country shouldn't have given or hidden" yeah your little quote makes lots of sense.
Maybe you have poor reading.
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