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Americans living along the Mexican border say militia patrols make the feel less safe – not more.
“We don’t know who these people are,” said Maria Cordero, an ACLU community organizer who lives near the Rio Grande. “They’re carrying high-powered weapons. It makes us feel less safe, not more safe, to have them here. I just hope they leave soon.”
Even some of the militia volunteers themselves have left the camps, which were set up during the summer to stem the tide of migrants flooding across the border in recent months, over safety and legal concerns.
Rob Chupp, who helped organize a recent border crossing “shutdown” that drew just five people, said he left Camp LoneStar after a Border Patrol officer fired gunshots at a convicted felon carrying a firearm on patrol.
“We asked several of the guys to leave that we found out were felons,” Chupp told the Southern Poverty Law Centers Hatewatch blog. “We have a Second Amendment to protect your right to bear arms, but we are also a nation of laws — and there’s a reason we don’t let felons own guns.”
Chupp said he and some other militia volunteers voiced their concerns about the possibility that felons were illegally carrying guns at the camp.
“It came to be a problem, and it was loud, and ‘We don’t care what the gun laws are,’ and, ‘If we want to have this weapon even if it’s illegal, we’re going to have it,’” Chupp said. “It just turned south, and we pulled out.”
Militia members also posted video of themselves detaining three migrants after they crossed the border.
The video shows militia volunteer K.C. Massey, who describes himself as Camp LoneStar’s “commanding officer,” use zip-ties to handcuff the men behind their backs.
Massey posted on Facebook that militia patrols chased the men and seven or eight others until three of them stopped from exhaustion and were detained.
“One of the guys pissed himself!” Massey says, while another militia member agrees. “Dude pissed himself bad,” the second volunteer says.
U.S. Border Patrol officers eventually showed up and took the migrants, who Massey said were from Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico.
“WE DO NOT AIM TO DETAIN, we would much rather send them back into the river into Mexico and dissuade them and the cartel from crossing on the property we patrol,” Massey said in the Facebook post. “All encounters were conducted in a humanitarian, professional fashion. Stay vigilant. Thank you for your support.”
When they’re not chasing migrants through the scrub or patrolling the Rio Grande, the militia members exchange conspiracy theories at their campsites.
The volunteers like to brag that they’re targeted by drug cartels – who Chupp blamed for the failure of his attempt to shut down border crossings.[/quote]
[url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/unregulated-militia-detains-migrants-frightens-locals-warns-of-muslim-invasion/]Raw Story[/url]
Same shit that happened in Arizona and New Mexico. The moderates and people who were there just to help the ranchers are being spooked off by folk which want to go run n' gun with the cartels. Fucking idiots, they are gonna get into a battle one of these days and it's going to be an international incident.
how long until the cartels get bored and start killing them
i give it a month
Judging by what that Chupp described it really feels like the militias are turning themselves into bandit gangs thanks to attracting the wrong crowd.
This isn't helping the situation at all. If we wanted to force illegal immigrants back in to Mexico in the manner they are doing it, we'd call the federal army or national guard. Idiots.
Well this may sound crazy, but if the southern border was secured, we wouldn't have these crazies trying to do what our government wouldn't.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;46209624]how long until the cartels get bored and start killing them
i give it a month[/QUOTE]
It's already been happening. The Arizonian Oathkeepers have had a few of their guys shot up for clamping down on killings of cattle at ranches in Patagonia/Bisbee, and ranchers that were responsible for hiring them are either threatened or killed.
Serious question. Are militias allowed in the US anymore? I thought the old militias were pretty much made into the National Guard.
[QUOTE=Glaber;46209642]Well this may sound crazy, but if the southern border was secured, we wouldn't have these crazies trying to do what out government wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of them also oppose the government trying to secure the border, it mentioned in the article that these people disliked the presence of border patrol agents, and the oathkeepers are conspiritards who think that the border patrol is just a smokescreen to hide a government plot to destroy whites by allowing unrestricted immigration from Mexico.
And no that doesn't make any sense to me either.
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;46209748]Serious question. Are militias allowed in the US anymore? I thought the old militias were pretty much made into the National Guard.[/QUOTE]
Theyre still allowed. Just kinda frowned upon because those who make up them can get pretty crazy
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;46209748]Serious question. Are militias allowed in the US anymore? I thought the old militias were pretty much made into the National Guard.[/QUOTE]
Legal loopholes are fun things.
The Militia Act of 1903, effectively made the National Guard, but it never really said anything about civilians maintaining their own militias with their right to keep and bear arms.
In 1934, the National Firearms Act was passed, and a few years later we had Miller v. United States which reaffirmed that that the 2nd Amendment protects the ownership of military grade firearms for civilian militia usage, and also reaffirmed that militia on it's own is ambiguous. In 2008, Heller v. DC takes a relook at Miller V. US and Militia Act 1903 all around, and effectively rules that the 2nd Amendment pertains to the organization of state military(the militia), but the civilians of the United States of America are allowed to keep and bear arms within unregulated militias as every male under the Selective Service Act, between the ages of 17 to 45 is a member of the unorganized militia which can be effectively mobilized during a period of crisis in order to deal with a national tragedy or invasion.
In final, it's a really big clusterfuck and we really need to get rid of the National Firearms Act of 1934 already, and start over.
[QUOTE=Glaber;46209642]Well this may sound crazy, but if the southern border was secured, we wouldn't have these crazies trying to do what out government wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
The millitias are only going to be subdued by effective security which is going to be very difficult to achieve given the length of the US-Mexico border and how much trouble some of the people around there are willing and able to cause.
Militias are allowed by virtue of the 1st and 2nd Amendments to the Constitution. It'd take amending the Constitution to change that.
[QUOTE=Kigen;46210133]Militias are allowed by virtue of the 1st and 2nd Amendments to the Constitution. It'd take amending the Constitution to change that.[/QUOTE]
Militias are such an outdated concept in the U.S.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46210229]Militias are such an outdated concept in the U.S.[/QUOTE]
Rather have them then not.
[QUOTE=Kigen;46210133]Militias are allowed by virtue of the 1st and 2nd Amendments to the Constitution. It'd take amending the Constitution to change that.[/QUOTE]
What amending would you do? I'd rather not lose the first and second amendment ofc
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;46209748]Serious question. Are militias allowed in the US anymore? I thought the old militias were pretty much made into the National Guard.[/QUOTE]
Yes, technically the National Guard is the state militia. There are rules built into our constitution for governing and utilizing the militia. The federal government has obligations and powers over our militia.
Militia, at the time of our constitution, were government entities raised for defense or to deal with domestic problems. The modern concept of them being independent civilian factions is very different from how they functioned in times past.
We do allow armed groups of people to co-exist, but that is about the extent of it. A civilian militia has no authority and any detention of supposed illegal immigrants is kidnapping or unlawful restraint.
[editline]11th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kigen;46210133]Militias are allowed by virtue of the 1st and 2nd Amendments to the Constitution. It'd take amending the Constitution to change that.[/QUOTE]
No, they aren't. Militias are laid out in the main articles of the constitution, as a government entity. Read the constitution.
[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;46210348]Rather have them then not.[/QUOTE]
Why?
I'm just waiting for one of these groups to do something extremely stupid, like stupid enough to gain international attention and criticism for a crack down to start. I feel like these thugs are getting out of control.
[QUOTE=Saxon;46210507]I'm just waiting for one of these groups to do something extremely stupid, like stupid enough to gain international attention and criticism for a crack down to start. I feel like these thugs are getting out of control.[/QUOTE]
You have mass killings literally a couple miles across the border and hardly anyone in the international community gives a shit.
[QUOTE=Saxon;46210507]I'm just waiting for one of these groups to do something extremely stupid, like stupid enough to gain international attention and criticism for a crack down to start. I feel like these thugs are getting out of control.[/QUOTE]
Like behead people with chainsaws and hang their burned corpses over highway passes?
Like the Cartels do? And nobody cares?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46210727]Like behead people with chainsaws and hang their burned corpses over highway passes?
Like the Cartels do? And nobody cares?[/QUOTE]
Well you know how the media is, literally some tragedy that catches there eye sets people off.
Pretty much like no one cared about the massive amount of death in Syria until they used chemical weapons, you can bomb the shit out of civilians to the stone age but kill a few with chems and you go to far suddenly. Or you can have somthing like Zimmerman which occurs daily but he got attention.
[editline]12th October 2014[/editline]
But yeah nothing will probably happen, maybe its just optimism this madness will end when people care
[QUOTE=Saxon;46210507]I'm just waiting for one of these groups to do something extremely stupid, like stupid enough to gain international attention and criticism for a crack down to start. I feel like these thugs are getting out of control.[/QUOTE]
The fact Oklahoma City didn't do it should tell you how hard it is to kill the Militia Movement presently.
[QUOTE]The volunteers like to brag that they’re targeted by drug cartels – who Chupp blamed for the failure of his attempt to shut down border crossings.[/QUOTE]
I kind-of have the idea that if they were really targeted by the cartels, some of them would have already been killed by now.
Cartels don't give 2 shits about these guys imo.
How the fuck do these people have any authority to detain ANYONE? That's called kidnapping.
I've met some self-styled militia types, and a lot of them are severely unhinged and have completely delusional ideas about their own importance. It's only a matter of time before one of them unloads an assault rife on a bunch of defenseless migrants.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46210865]How the fuck do these people have any authority to detain ANYONE? That's called kidnapping. [/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law, so you could view it as a citizens arrest since they are being turned over to border patrol instead of being kept by the militia....
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;46209748]Serious question. Are militias allowed in the US anymore? I thought the old militias were pretty much made into the National Guard.[/QUOTE]
America was built by Militia Men. It's allowed, but frowned upon because we're a developed nation, and Militia Men are usually built up by right wing nuts.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46210865]How the fuck do these people have any authority to detain ANYONE? That's called kidnapping.
I've met some self-styled militia types, and a lot of them are severely unhinged and have completely delusional ideas about their own importance. It's only a matter of time before one of them unloads an assault rife on a bunch of defenseless migrants.[/QUOTE]
they don't get caught in the act unfortunatly, which is funny since the amount of cash we've thrown at the problem would probably have bought video surveillance across the entire boarder by now
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;46210549]You have mass killings literally a couple miles across the border and hardly anyone in the international community gives a shit.[/QUOTE]
I'd wager that as soon as White People™ started getting killed en-mass there would be a veritable media explosion. Every news station in the US would fucking explode.
How do I paramilitary? 101
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46210865]How the fuck do these people have any authority to detain ANYONE? That's called kidnapping.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest[/url]
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