Public backs Brexit no deal: Shock poll suggests Theresa May SHOULD walk away - Polidicks

[t]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-5X71qgVHS8/maxresdefault.jpg[/t] REAL HEADLINE: 37% of people polled are clinically stupid [quote]There is support for leaving the EU with no deal with more voters opted for that outcome (37%) than a transition period where the UK stays in the single market until a satisfactory deal is struck (25%) or abandoning Brexit altogether and staying in the bloc (23%).[/quote] [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/869606/brexit-latest-observer-poll-finds-voters-back-no-deal-not-second-referendum[/url] NO BRAKES ON THE TOOL TRAIN Saw this on the sunday morning politics also gotta mention Liam Fox said fuck all through his entire talk. The gibbons have broken free of their pen, shat in the cafeteria and proceeded to take over the zoo. note on source: ye its a shit source but what we gonna do, if the figures are good enough for peston then they're good enough for me [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] Also trust the express (tory/ukip rag) to interpret 37% as support. To be sure tho the poll was done by the observer I think. [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] This is better source with more throbbing statistics to satisfy your thirsty lust for numbers [url]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/21/brexit-voters-spurn-new-referendum[/url] Really is a better source though! [quote]In fact, there is support for leaving the EU with no deal. More voters opted for that outcome (37%) than the alternatives of entering a transition period where we remain in the EU single market until we can negotiate a satisfactory deal (25%), or abandoning Brexit altogether (23%).[/quote]

digging their own grave

Well exactly, 37% is not a fucking majority holy shit. They must genuinely be happy to suffer total shutdown of this country just to leave the EU. How the hell did the right-wing media convince them to be this dedicated to it? We will suffer, people will die, crime will go up, this country will become a failed state even if the Tories are subsequently removed from power. I'm at a loss - how have we gone this mad? [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] But to be fair, the Express is a noisy newspaper that doesn't represent the whole country. Most polls show a re-run Referendum would result in a Remain majority. The Express, Sun and Mail are all utter rags and all are banned in certain cities across the country. They'd lie about their own mothers if it sold papers.

It really depends on the deal, no breaks on the Brexit train.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52811358]It really depends on the deal, no breaks on the Brexit train.[/QUOTE] You're right...thats why we need to put a boulder named "Reality" on the train tracks...

[QUOTE=Uber22;52811370]Your right...thats why we need to put a boulder named "Reality" on the train tracks...[/QUOTE] If they are offered a deal that is worse than WTO rules deal, then obviously no deal it is. As I said, depends on the deal, the UK won't budge on monetary issues until EU promises a trade deal.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52811375]If they are offered a deal that is worse than WTO rules deal, then obviously no deal it is. As I said, depends on the deal, the UK won't budge on monetary issues until EU promises a trade deal.[/QUOTE] Maybe Brexit shouldn't of happened to begin with... if UK wants to act all cocky towards the EU. The EU isn't going to take that nicely...

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52811375]If they are offered a deal that is worse than WTO rules deal, then obviously no deal it is. As I said, depends on the deal, the UK won't budge on monetary issues until EU promises a trade deal.[/QUOTE] And the EU doesn't give a shit because the UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK. You're fucked either way.

[QUOTE=Jon27;52811338] But to be fair, the Express is a noisy newspaper that doesn't represent the whole country. Most polls show a re-run Referendum would result in a Remain majority. The Express, Sun and Mail are all utter rags and all are banned in certain cities across the country. They'd lie about their own mothers if it sold papers.[/QUOTE] 37% figure is from a poll run by observer - ie labour rag it's all a bit nuts

[QUOTE=Uber22;52811379]Maybe Brexit shouldn't of happened to begin with... if UK wants to act all cocky towards the EU. The EU isn't going to take that nicely...[/QUOTE] Same as saying maybe the EU should've just allowed them to control numbers. Oh wait. [QUOTE=EcksDee;52811382]And the EU doesn't give a shit because the UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK. You're fucked either way.[/QUOTE] Both sides lose, especially in terms of job losses.

The Express is a terrible source, are there any other sources? [QUOTE=Boilrig;52811375][B]If they are offered a deal that is worse than WTO rules deal[/B][/QUOTE] Literally will not happen. Any deal offered will be better than WTO rules by default. [quote]As I said, depends on the deal, the UK won't budge on monetary issues until EU promises a trade deal.[/quote] Guess what. The EU won't budge on a trade deal until the UK makes more progress on monetary issues *and* things such as the Northern Ireland - Ireland border along with other various aspects of Britain. And they are right to do so, because the EU knows what it's objectives are and has a plan for this. [B][I]and Britain doesn't. After nearly a year and a half.[/I][/B] The absolute worst thing about Brexit is that there's no plan, by the British, at all, and nobody knows what they want. A referendum should have never been run without a plan. If there was at-least a semi-sensible plan and starting position, I wouldn't hate Brexit as much (I'd still think it'd be a poor decision, but it'd be their decision to make). But the whole thing is so stupid. The UK knows nothing about how to host referendums and nobody had a plan for leaving. They're going to fuck themselves and fuck us too. [quote]Both sides lose, especially in terms of job losses.[/QUOTE] At-least we'll have EU support to help. At-least we in Ireland have a good idea of what the effect of various options are. The government here, for all the things they have gotten wrong, have at-least reviewed the various options and have fought our corner.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52811388]The Express is a terrible source, are there any other sources? Literally will not happen. Any deal offered will be better than WTO rules by default.[/QUOTE] Deals can be worse than the WTO one, it would have to be bad, but I can see its possible. [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52811388] Guess what. The EU won't budge on a trade deal until the UK makes more progress on monetary issues *and* things such as the Northern Ireland - Ireland border along with other various aspects of Britain. And they are right to do so, because the EU knows what it's objectives are and has a plan for this. [B][I]and Britain doesn't. After nearly a year and a half.[/I][/B] The absolute worst thing about Brexit is that there's no plan, by the British, at all, and nobody knows what they want. A referendum should have never been run without a plan. If there was at-least a semi-sensible plan and starting position, I wouldn't hate Brexit as much (I'd still think it'd be a poor decision, but it'd be their decision to make). But the whole thing is so stupid. The UK knows nothing about how to host referendums and nobody had a plan for leaving. They're going to fuck themselves and fuck us too.[/QUOTE] UK won't budge on monetary issues, the border isn't an issue its just lumped along with the budget. Whether theres a plan or not, who knows, because we certainly don't have any proof either way. It may be stupid, but its happening regardless.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52811375]If they are offered a deal that is worse than WTO rules deal, then obviously no deal it is. As I said, depends on the deal, the UK won't budge on monetary issues until EU promises a trade deal.[/QUOTE] Why would they offer worse than WTO? That's like saying the nut : "no deal is better than a bad deal!!!!!!!!111!" the sage : "so whats a bad deal?" the nut : "WTO but every year you must break the fingers of your first born child" the sage : "you are no sound of mind" As for the monitary thing. It's money we've already agreed to pay. So basically we're saying "if you don't let us renege on our promise we're going to fuck up our own trade deals!!!" We (in the loosest possible terms since I mean our government) have talked ourselves into a corner, we've chosen a stupid hill to die on. If we don't don't the money we fuck our economy if we do pay the money, such a fuss has been made about it, it will seem like a shameful defeat unpopular with the people. And of course the tories will put popularity, party and price before of country.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52811397] As for the monitary thing. It's money we've already agreed to pay. So basically we're saying "if you don't let us renege on our promise we're going to fuck up our own trade deals!!!" We (in the loosest possible terms since I mean our government) have talked ourselves into a corner, we've chosen a stupid hill to die on. If we don't don't the money we fuck our economy if we do pay the money, such a fuss has been made about it, it will seem like a shameful defeat unpopular with the people. And of course the tories will put popularity, party and price before of country.[/QUOTE] From the UK's point of view, they agreed, but at this point in time can use it as leverage, from what we know so far, legally, the UK has no legal standing to pay if it is out of the EU. The UK wants to pay the money, but knows if it does, it won't receive anything in return, so instead its using that to pave a way for a trade deal. The overall deal isn't bad, thats on top of the UK promising not to undercut the EU at every turn when outside of it.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;52811404]From the UK's point of view, they agreed, but at this point in time can use it as leverage, from what we know so far, legally, the UK has no legal standing to pay if it is out of the EU. The UK wants to pay the money, but knows if it does, it won't receive anything in return, so instead its using that to pave a way for a trade deal. The overall deal isn't bad, thats on top of the UK promising not to undercut the EU at every turn when outside of it.[/QUOTE] Still find it funny that an New Zealander who doesn't even live in the UK believes that this is great for the UK.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52811413]Still find it funny that an New Zealander who doesn't even live in the UK believes that this is great for the UK.[/QUOTE] I don't believe I've ever said this 'was great for the UK'. I believe its best that they do this properly, and that Brexit is unavoidable and can't be so easily overlooked as users on this board think can happen in modern democracies.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52811388]The Express is a terrible source, are there any other sources? [/quote] Updated for you Your post is chock-full of valid points. I'd trust you negotiating brexit far more than the entire team we currently have. Not only do we have no plan but our guys are turning up to meetings with no planning, papers or ideas. It's like a guide on how not to do things. [editline]23rd October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Uber22;52811413]Still find it funny that an New Zealander who doesn't even live in the UK believes that this is great for the UK.[/QUOTE] He's the guy who was saying some junk about the british empire reborn just after brexit. He's creative and I appreciate his... ambition. Hopefully this will shed some light to where he is coming from. I too aspire to live in a colony dominated by a nation on the other side of the globe. Srs tho nz looks like a great place to move to

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52811430]NZ is a great place but we need no empire in this shitty planet we live in, and we certainly don't need Theresa May who absolutely knows how to [B]balls my home more[/B] than I could ever imagine. Fuck you for making the UK a much worse country May. I hope you're happy with this shit deal.[/QUOTE] It'd be like that treesome joke. May can disappoint two nations at once.

Does Brexit even get any shit in the mainstream media? I don't own a television, but every time I go to visit my mum, or we pop over to see my girlfriends parents- the TV will have someone banging on about a [b] GLORIOUS BREXIT [/b] or something along those lines. Do they just act like everything is going fine and Brexit was a great idea? or have I just got the wrong idea from out of context quotes?

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52811465]Does Brexit even get any shit in the mainstream media? I don't own a television, but every time I go to visit my mum, or we pop over to see my girlfriends parents- the TV will have someone banging on about a [b] GLORIOUS BREXIT [/b] or something along those lines. Do they just act like everything is going fine and Brexit was a great idea? or have I just got the wrong idea from out of context quotes?[/QUOTE] Depends who you watch [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Snow_(journalist)"]Jon Snow[/URL] and a few others are openly critical of it. Emily Maitlis is critical of brexit and is getting rep for asking what needs asking, Peston too, they're not Paxman but they're pretty good (Regarding their questioning). Andrew Marr is also v good, again mainly because he asks the questions which need asking. This [URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq-PzlLuePFoR_XRzwQZGyA"]youtube channel[/URL] gives digestible snippets of news without having to sift through all the other shit. IF seems to have a economic centrist, socially libertarian, anti brexit, anti hypocrisy stance.

The joke candidates during the election would be more fitting to deal with Brexit than May, at least they knew what a shit show it was that the UK went ahead with Brexit with no plan whatsoever. [media]https://youtu.be/6eQ0s4SBefU?t=75[/media] He got it right so far it's been a shitshow. Lord Buckethead should have won :v:

Wait, only 23% of Brits think Brexit shouldn't be a thing? How is the country this retarded?

[QUOTE=Riller;52811737]Wait, only 23% of Brits think Brexit shouldn't be a thing? How is the country this retarded?[/QUOTE] Basically people still refuse to give up on what they were initially made to believe and now rather blame everything else around it instead of blaming THE IDEA ITSELF or admitting they fucked up when they supported this. "Oh, May just sucks, she didn't handle it properly!" While that's kinda true, there's nothing about Brexit to handle properly that would not make the idea suck enourmous dick! That entire idea was fucked from the beginning to now. No one benefits from this. Not the UK, not the EU, not the citizens of both of those, why even do it??? It's basically "Communism was never really done properly!" all over again.

We really are fucked aren't we

[QUOTE=Boopbonbelle;52811856]We really are fucked aren't we[/QUOTE] Don't worry, the British Empire will be reborn from the ashes of Brexit! [sp]/s[/sp]

Headline is slightly misleading, no? More people back that either there should be a deal or that Brexit shouldn't go ahead.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;52812112]Headline is slightly misleading, no? More people back that either there should be a deal or that Brexit shouldn't go ahead.[/QUOTE] Aye I shouldn't have picked that source but I couldn't find the original observer source (I have updated source since with guardian link) mods please change

can we hurry up with indyref2 because I really want to jump off this moving train before it goes off a cliff

I hate my country sometimes

more snap elections! she needs to shore up her majority any way possiblr.