DEA Puts On Earmuffs As They Deny Cannabis Rescheduling Again
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[QUOTE]The Obama administration has denied a bid by two Democratic governors to reconsider how it treats marijuana under federal drug control laws, keeping the drug for now, at least, in the most restrictive category for U.S. law enforcement purposes.
Drug Enforcement Administration chief Chuck Rosenberg says the decision is rooted in science. Rosenberg gave "enormous weight" to conclusions by the Food and Drug Administration that marijuana has "no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States," and by some measures, it remains highly vulnerable to abuse as the most commonly used illicit drug across the nation.
"This decision isn't based on danger. This decision is based on whether marijuana, as determined by the FDA, is a safe and effective medicine," he said, "and it's not."[/QUOTE]
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fucking retarded
alcohol is a safe and effective medicine tho
trust me i drink all day every day
I guess states will have to legalize it themselves. Worked well enough here in Washington.
I mean its not that far fetched that its in the interest of DEA to wanna keep it this way.
I just don't get why it's supposedly as dangerous as Meth, when quitting pot was easier for me than quitting caffeine. :goodjob:
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50866100]I mean its not that far fetched that its in the interest of DEA to wanna keep it this way.[/QUOTE]
For real I had delegated the idea that the DEA would come out of this without any legal relaxation to the realm of lunacy. I didn't actually believe someone could actually come out of this covering their ass THAT hard. At the expense of so much.
The people behind this are human fucking garbage.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;50866113]I just don't get why it's supposedly as dangerous as Meth, when quitting pot was easier for me than quitting caffeine. :goodjob:[/QUOTE]
Wait, have people actually said it's as dangerous as Meth? The one drug that I'd consider immoral to legalise if my country were to follow the Portugal system?
Whoever has said weed is as dangerous as meth really needs a reality check... The only way I'd consider weed dangerous is because it can be used as a gateway drug - but so can alcohol and nicateen...
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;50866113]I just don't get why it's supposedly as dangerous as Meth, when quitting pot was easier for me than quitting caffeine. :goodjob:[/QUOTE]
False, my good sir! Meth is schedule 2. Methamphetamine is recognized for use in severe ADHD and obesity. You can get a prescription for it without enormous hullabaloo.
Marijuana is more restricted than meth.
[QUOTE=Barcock;50866130]False, my good sir! Meth is schedule 2. Methamphetamine is recognized for use in severe ADHD and obesity. You can get a prescription for it without enormous hullabaloo.
Marijuana is more restricted than meth.[/QUOTE]
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how is there not an icon for that
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50866129]Wait, have people actually said it's as dangerous as Meth? The one drug that I'd consider immoral to legalise if my country were to follow the Portugal system?
Whoever has said weed is as dangerous as meth really needs a reality check... The only way I'd consider weed dangerous is because it can be used as a gateway drug - but so can alcohol and nicateen...[/QUOTE]
Honestly, that's more of a summary of the current legal state of affairs than a direct quotation of anybody.
Poe's law bullshit aside, I don't think anyone could with a straight face believe that weed will prove anywhere near as bad as meth, or even have any incentive to.
The laws are such that marijuana is classified with heroin (a notch above meth). Every so often the DEA head honcho is asked to elaborate if marijuana is as bad as heroin, and the guy walks around the question because he doesn't believe it, but that's just what he has to do.
Fucking trash still.
Waited all this time to say basically nothing; I had a feeling the hype about the DEA changing the schedule a few months back would turn out like this
Weed remains in the same category as heroin, somehow worse than Oxycontin which can kill you from withdrawl
[QUOTE=Megadave;50866133]:america:
how is there not an icon for that[/QUOTE]
I would say meth is classified in the correct category of the controlled substances act, legal ramifications of that aside. When you think about it, it is really rare for a substance to have literally zero medical value.
Even heroin is used legitimately and legally for child birth pain in the UK.
[editline]11th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;50866166]Waited all this time to say basically nothing; I had a feeling the hype about the DEA changing the schedule a few months back would turn out like this[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I had a feeling. I didn't believe it could at all... but it happened.
Can wikileaks find out who's behind this so we can tar and feather them?
The DEA should be disbanded and put at a state level. It's a bureaucratic mess that only serves to put countless numbers of non-violent offenders in prison, and gives its agents a reason to stroke their dicks while they wear military-grade material to bust <1kg of weed from somebody.
If it was handled by states, it'd be much better, as there'd be actual observation into their actions.
[QUOTE=Barcock;50866168]
Can wikileaks find out who's behind this so we can tar and feather them?[/QUOTE]
My money is on big pharma lobbyists, the antidepressant industry would effectively cease to exist if pot was legalized. Pot got on the list because of lobbying by big tobacco, because it's usage would directly compete with them, by the time big tobacco lost their status the stigma was already ingrained in the culture of society, now big pharma a taking up the reins as the entity that wants to leech off of society's wellbeing to increase their profit margin.
Or maybe the FDA just doesn't want another legal recreational substance like alcohol/tobacco on their hands, something that can be abused or used to escape from life that may years down the road prove to be destructive in ways we never thought of/anticipated and by then it would be so ingrained into our culture that it's impossible to remove or ban again.
I personally don't believe that there's enough evidence to support that we might make a tobacco like revelation that this stuff might not be that good for our bodies, and pot isent inherently addictive like nicotine but people with addictive personalities can turn anything into their addiction so I can see where there coming from in that regard. Still should be rescheduled tho. I know people who should not be behind the wheel of a vehicle when high and others who are perfectly fine. I could see legalization being a massive headache at first on the judicial/regulatory level, just because it's a lot of work doesn't mean it shouldn't be done though.
[QUOTE=shad0w440;50866231]the antidepressant industry would effectively cease to exist if pot was legalized.[/QUOTE]
why
also weed wasn't made illegal because of big tobacco afaik. there is a long history behind the reasons why its illegal ranging from just viewing drug use as immoral, attempts to shut down the hemp industry, and the most recent reason being to criminalize black people and hippies during the nixon administration
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50866269]why[/QUOTE]
Anti depressants are not successful drugs, they are generally not more effective than placebos
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50866179]The DEA should be disbanded and put at a state level. It's a bureaucratic mess that only serves to put countless numbers of non-violent offenders in prison, and gives its agents a reason to stroke their dicks while they wear military-grade material to bust <1kg of weed from somebody.
If it was handled by states, it'd be much better, as there'd be actual observation into their actions.[/QUOTE]
the DEA mainly handles large multistate drug rings already, the issue is that theyve completely ignored the several successful canabis based drugs from the fda or the countless piles of research that grow larger eah day or the evidence from the dozens of states that use it as medicine in fsvor of padding their budget
[QUOTE=Barcock;50866130]False, my good sir! Meth is schedule 2. Methamphetamine is recognized for use in severe ADHD and obesity. You can get a prescription for it without enormous hullabaloo.
Marijuana is more restricted than meth.[/QUOTE]
:wideeye:
I stand corrected, shit's even more backwards than I was inclined to believe.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;50866166]Waited all this time to say basically nothing; I had a feeling the hype about the DEA changing the schedule a few months back would turn out like this
Weed remains in the same category as heroin, somehow worse than Oxycontin which can kill you from withdrawl[/QUOTE]
Ah, my bad, had a brain fart, heroin's what I meant.
Either way it's ridiculous.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50866360]Anti depressants are not successful drugs, they are generally not more effective than placebos[/QUOTE]
yes but that doesnt answer my question though. why would weed being legal change things for antidepressants? is there research that shows pot is a good replacement or something?
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50866497]yes but that doesnt answer my question though. why would weed being legal change things for antidepressants? is there research that shows pot is a good replacement or something?[/QUOTE]
While anecdotal at best, my experience with pot were excellent for my anxiety/depression. I only quit because it also left me pretty tired afterwards.
So now I'm on Prozac with side-effects including... Drowsiness. :v:
Funny considering Malia Obama was seen smoking a joint at lollapalooza the other day.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50866497]yes but that doesnt answer my question though. why would weed being legal change things for antidepressants? is there research that shows pot is a good replacement or something?[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, nope. Anecdotally I've found it helps a ton though, so I'm willing to believe there is potential for it.
[quote]"This decision isn't based on danger. This decision is based on whether marijuana, as determined by the FDA, is a safe and effective medicine," he said, "and it's not."[/quote]
Translation: "Nah, this would absolutely KILL the prescription painkiller business."
I come from a state that's swimming in opioids. We have one of the highest rates of lethal overdoses in the country and the governor just gutted what few treatment options we have. People are dying and suffering left and right without proper treatment and counseling. Weed would provide a cheaper, legal alternative to opioids/heroin and it could even potentially be used in addiction treatment.
Pretty disappointing that they're putting profit over people's lives, and all because of a substance that's never killed a single person on the planet.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;50866113]I just don't get why it's supposedly as dangerous as Meth, when quitting pot was easier for me than quitting caffeine. :goodjob:[/QUOTE]
Let me hit you with a really cynical hypothesis:
Weed/hemp has many uses. Medicine, recreational use and textiles. Seeds can even be eaten.
But focusing on the first two:
That's anti-depressants, sleep-meds, tourettes-meds and who knows what other medical manufacturers getting a rival on the market. Same with the alcohol and tobacco industry.
But it doesn't stay as simple as that, since once weed is legal; it can be grown at home.
So now it isn't just a fear of rivalry. It's a fear of becoming obsolete :v:
reschedule lsd and mdma to at the very least allow for medical research
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50866269]why
also weed wasn't made illegal because of big tobacco afaik. there is a long history behind the reasons why its illegal ranging from just viewing drug use as immoral, attempts to shut down the hemp industry, and the most recent reason being to criminalize black people and hippies during the nixon administration[/QUOTE]
the idea it was done to shut down hemp industry has been discredited long ago already, i'd say its more down to the fact that in the early 20th century you could get any drug you liked over the counter and the rapid explosion of drug addictions and health problems thus associated (combined with racial antagonism) led to a major backlash against it that was equally as stupid as it was to allow everyone to access any drug freely
[editline]11th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;50867622]Let me hit you with a really cynical hypothesis:
Weed/hemp has many uses. Medicine, recreational use and textiles. Seeds can even be eaten.
But focusing on the first two:
That's anti-depressants, sleep-meds, tourettes-meds and who knows what other medical manufacturers getting a rival on the market. Same with the alcohol and tobacco industry.
But it doesn't stay as simple as that, since once weed is legal; it can be grown at home.
So now it isn't just a fear of rivalry. It's a fear of becoming obsolete :v:[/QUOTE]
weed and hemp is really not going to make anything obsolete though
at best it'll develop into a niche market. the main attraction is in the recreational use and everything else is completely trivial in terms of the economic impact of it
Can't blame them. Read a book called The New Jim Crow. It's put through a more racial lens (then again, the war on drugs is a racist clusterfuck) but it explains why the DEA has so much to gain from illegal drugs. Social control. Money. Military-grade hardware coming out the ass!
Everyone blame the DEA, but its the FDA/NIH you have to be mad at.
If fucking Texas can legalize cannabis extracts for medical purposes then you know your system is bullshit.
Wack
Weed is legal in my state. Personally I don't smoke, dislike the smell, and occasionally get annoyed at stoner buddies who do nothing but get high all the time, but I don't bear any ill will towards them and it's certainly not dangerous. When compared to cigarettes or alcohol it's pretty much the same thing.
If nothing else it's been a great boon for business. Dispensaries are popping up [I]everywhere[/I], when I rode the bus into work I'd pass by three or four green stores.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50866133]:america:
how is there not an icon for that[/QUOTE]
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