Iran says it tested new air defense missile system - Polidicks

[quote]TEHRAN, Iran – Iran has successfully tested a newly developed air defense missile system during the country's biggest ever air defense drill, an Iranian military official said Thursday. Gen. Hamid Arjangi, a spokesman for the five-day exercise, said the system — known as Mersad, or Ambush in Farsi — was developed by Iranian scientists and is capable of identifying and hitting targets at low and medium altitudes. "This medium-range air defense system can identify and destroy modern planes flying at low or at medium altitudes," Arjangi said, according to the state IRNA news agency. He described the Mersad, which allegedly is already being mass produced, as a valuable asset in defending Iran's air space from planes or drones flying at those altitudes. Arjangi did not elaborate. The exercise, which started Tuesday, is meant to showcase Iran's capabilities in defending its nuclear facilities from possible attack. Iran conducts several war games every year, as part of its military self-sufficiency program that started in 1992, and frequently unveils new weapons and military systems during the drills. Its claims often cannot be independently verified. The drill followed an announcement by the Iranian Air Force saying its troops earlier this year conducted an exercise at several nuclear facilities — the uranium enrichment plant at Natanz, the under-construction enrichment site at Fordo, the nuclear uranium conversion facility near Isfahan and the Bushehr nuclear power plant. When Iran's Defense Ministry announced Mersad's development in April, it said the system will be used to launch Shahin missiles, a local version of the 1970s-era U.S.-manufactured Hawk missile. The Hawk has a range 15 miles (24 kilometers) with a 119-pound warhead and was sold to Iran before the 1979 Islamic revolution. Iran has been looking to upgrade its air defenses, especially as Israel has refused to rule out an airstrike over concerns by the United States and its European allies that Tehran is developing nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charge and insists the program is only for peaceful purposes. It has also said Israel would face a "devastating retaliation" if it attacked the Islamic Republic. The Shahin missile is likely Tehran's response to Moscow's refusal to deliver the advanced Russian S-300 air defense system amid U.N. and international sanctions on the country. The S-300 missiles are capable of shooting down aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missile warheads at ranges of over 90 miles (145 kilometers) and at altitudes of about 90,000 feet. On Wednesday, IRNA quoted Arjangi as saying that unidentified foreign planes had violated Iran's airspace six times but that the intruders were intercepted and forced back by Iranian jets. However, the Iranian state-run English-language Press TV late Wednesday said the incident was a mock intrusion that was part of the drill and not a real violation of Iranian air space, and accused Western media of distorting reports on the exercise. There was no way to confirm either of the reports, and Arjangi could not be reached for comment. A spokesman for the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, based just across the Persian Gulf in the island kingdom of Bahrain, said he had no information on the purported airspace intrusion.[/quote] [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101118/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_war_games[/url]

So planes will just fly at high altitudes. No problem.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26137399]So planes will just fly at high altitudes. No problem.[/QUOTE] yeah because flying above 17 miles is such an easy task for most planes

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26137399]So planes will just fly at high altitudes. No problem.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure jets need to go to a lower altitude to do a bombing run of some sort.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26137399]So planes will just fly at high altitudes. No problem.[/QUOTE] Try to hit a nuclear power plant from 90.000 feet. While I do not like the current Iranian government, I still support this. It is absurd that the west can have one of the cleanest and most effective ways of producing energy while the Arab countries can't.

Yeah, to shoot them down you have to detect them first. Note that it is detect AND PINPOINT as well as maintain a lock from the ground on the aircraft. It's the launcher or attached RADAR equipment that guide SAM's in most cases. Good luck with that. Or, for our European friends, you have to actually be able to hit them in the first place. US aircraft are stealth based, but European aircraft have focused on extreme maneuverability, making them ideal for wild weasel sorties. [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=burial;26137554]yeah because flying above 17 miles is such an easy task for most planes[/QUOTE] It says the Russians DIDN'T deliver the advanced missile system. Which means a B-1B Lancer could likely cruise straight in at service ceiling and drop cruise missiles or a variety of GPS guided munitions, or just a bunch of bunnies and Iran would be able to do jack shit about it.

This isn't something that can defend against a coordinated and determined US attack. If we wanted their stuff blown up, it'd happen some way or another.

[QUOTE=Explosions;26138822]This isn't something that can defend against a coordinated and determined US attack. If we wanted their stuff blown up, it'd happen some way or another.[/QUOTE] and watch as your post gets rated dumb 250 times by "Hurr durr britain" British cunts.

[QUOTE=Explosions;26138822]This isn't something that can defend against a coordinated and determined US attack. If we wanted their stuff blown up, it'd happen some way or another.[/QUOTE] Because the American airforce is just that badass? Grow up, why are the US attacking Iran again?

[QUOTE=cyclocius;26138886]Because the American airforce is just that badass? Grow up,[B] why are the US attacking Iran again?[/B][/QUOTE] What the fuck? [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] Looks like someone doesn't know anything about current events. [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] Though if it did happen, I'd agree with that part.

[QUOTE=cyclocius;26138886]Because the American airforce is just that badass? Grow up, why are the US attacking Iran again?[/QUOTE] Wtf is coming out of your mouth?

[QUOTE=cyclocius;26138886]Because the American airforce is just that badass? Grow up, why are the US attacking Iran again?[/QUOTE] world police. US and A should stay away from this. the only target iran wants to destroy is isreal, not usa.

[QUOTE=cyclocius;26138886]Because the American airforce is just that badass? [/QUOTE] No, because for all intents and purposes, our military tech is significantly better than Irans internally developed tech is.

[QUOTE=Torfaldur;26138964]world police. US and A should stay away from this. the only target iran wants to destroy is isreal, not usa.[/QUOTE] Because isreal is our little brother of the world

Iranian just wants to look tough. One time Iran said they had developed land-air-sea stealth vehicles. But in reality ( I remember seeing a video of them on youtube ) they looked like a winged version Half Life 2's hovercraft/

[QUOTE=Torfaldur;26138964]world police. US and A should stay away from this. the only target iran wants to destroy is isreal, not usa.[/QUOTE] You are an idiot and you don't know what you're talking about. [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=cheezey;26138998]Iranian just wants to look tough. One time Iran said they had developed land-air-sea stealth vehicles. But in reality ( I remember seeing a video of them on youtube ) they looked like a winged version Half Life 2's hovercraft/[/QUOTE] Oh God I remember those contraptions. They were [i]so[/i] stealthy.

Any S-300s the Iranians claim to have are most likely fake, but I wouldn't count on the Iranian IADS being impotent to Western air power simply on the basis of "we're sooper stealth so nothing can shoot us down and we have a million smart bombs that can hit anything". Especially when they've had three times to learn what US air power can do to a nation that is unprepared to fight in a PGM battlefield. There's a pretty good analysis of Iranian air defense systems [url=http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-170710-1.html]here[/url], a pretty good read. What's interesting is that they seem to have got some Nebo SVU counter-stealth AESA radars. Now their effectiveness can't be proven right now, but neither can the effectiveness of stealth aircraft against a modern SAM system with counter-stealth capabilities.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;26139042]Any S-300s the Iranians claim to have are most likely fake, but I wouldn't count on the Iranian IADS being impotent to Western air power simply on the basis of "we're sooper stealth so nothing can shoot us down and we have a million smart bombs that can hit anything". Especially when they've had three times to learn what US air power can do to a nation that is unprepared to fight in a PGM battlefield. There's a pretty good analysis of Iranian air defense systems [url=http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-170710-1.html]here[/url], a pretty good read. What's interesting is that they seem to have got some Nebo SVU counter-stealth AESA radars. Now their effectiveness can't be proven right now, but neither can the effectiveness of stealth aircraft against a modern SAM system with counter-stealth capabilities.[/QUOTE] Iran never claimed to have S-300s, in fact they've been pissed Russia has kept postponing the delivery.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;26139042]Any S-300s the Iranians claim to have are most likely fake, but I wouldn't count on the Iranian IADS being impotent to Western air power simply on the basis of "we're sooper stealth so nothing can shoot us down and we have a million smart bombs that can hit anything". Especially when they've had three times to learn what US air power can do to a nation that is unprepared to fight in a PGM battlefield. There's a pretty good analysis of Iranian air defense systems [url=http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-170710-1.html]here[/url], a pretty good read. What's interesting is that they seem to have got some Nebo SVU counter-stealth AESA radars. Now their effectiveness can't be proven right now, but neither can the effectiveness of stealth aircraft against a modern SAM system with counter-stealth capabilities.[/QUOTE] If Australian F-15's inside not only VISUAL range, but CANNON range, can't get a lock on an F-22, I'm not putting money on Iranian Sam's being able to from miles away.

[QUOTE=starpluck;26139055]Iran never claimed to have S-300s, in fact they've been pissed Russia has kept postponing the delivery.[/QUOTE] I mean the domestic "S-300 type" system they've been showing around in their parade recently. [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;26139193]If Australian F-15's inside not only VISUAL range, but CANNON range, can't get a lock on an F-22, I'm not putting money on Iranian Sam's being able to from miles away.[/QUOTE] But do Aussie F-15s have radar that are designed with the capability of a degree of counter stealth detection? Has the F-22 ever operated in an environment with Nebo SVUs around? Don't draw conclusions that stealth aircraft are invulnerable and impervious like they're some kind of flying Titanic.

[QUOTE=GunFox;26139193]If Australian F-15's inside not only VISUAL range, but CANNON range, can't get a lock on an F-22, I'm not putting money on Iranian Sam's being able to from miles away.[/QUOTE] The only way I can see an F 22 getting shot down is by bad luck

[QUOTE=Tac Error;26139234]I mean the domestic "S-300 type" system they've been showing around in their parade recently.[/QUOTE]There's no such thing as a domestic S-300 type. The ones they unveiled at a parade were different types of anti-air.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;26137399]So planes will just fly at high altitudes. No problem.[/QUOTE] good luck with that

[QUOTE=starpluck;26139327]There's no such thing as a domestic S-300 type. The ones they unveiled at a parade were different types of anti-air.[/QUOTE] You don't think that this is their domestic S-300 or at least a very good mock-up? [img]http://www.ausairpower.net/5P85S-TEL-Rehosted-Iran-2S.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Tac Error;26139474]You don't think that this is their domestic S-300 or at least a very good mock-up? [img_thumb]http://www.ausairpower.net/5P85S-TEL-Rehosted-Iran-2S.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Oh, I never knew. Do you have a source with more info on that?

[QUOTE=starpluck;26139495]Oh, I never knew. Do you have a source with more info on that?[/QUOTE] It's linked in my first thread post. Australian Air Power is the site.

Never mind, I already found: [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-official-we-have-obtained-the-s-300-missile-system-1.305954[/url] [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] Well, I have no honest idea. Here's the real ones: [IMG]http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/slovakia/s300pmu_01.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]http://nukesofhazardblog.com/images/user/102/s300pmu2.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/s-300-truck.jpg[/IMG] And here is the Iranian: [IMG]http://www.ausairpower.net/5P85S-TEL-Rehosted-Iran-2S.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.ausairpower.net/5P85S-TEL-Rehosted-Iran-1S.jpg[/IMG] [editline]18th November 2010[/editline] Maybe Russia did covertly trade or some shit. I haven't heard Iran complaining about Russia's postponed deal lately.

[QUOTE=Tac Error;26139474]You don't think that this is their domestic S-300 or at least a very good mock-up? [img_thumb]http://www.ausairpower.net/5P85S-TEL-Rehosted-Iran-2S.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Why would they be bitching about the Russians not delivering S-300s if they had an internally developed version? Its probably not too hard to make a mock-up S-300 transport/launch tube.

[QUOTE=GunFox;26138503] European aircraft have focused on extreme maneuverability, making them ideal for wild weasel sorties. [/QUOTE] I'm sure Europe have some pretty good stealth planes. They aren't as open with their military like the USA. No one knew the SAS even exsisted until almost 50 years after they formed.

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26138881]and watch as your post gets rated dumb 250 times by "Hurr durr britain" British cunts.[/QUOTE] hahaha oh wow this post british cunt reporting in