[B][U]Second Trump-Russia dossier being assessed by FBI[/U][/B]
[I]Exclusive: memo written by former journalist Cody Shearer independently sets out some of the allegations made by ex-spy Christopher Steele[/I]
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/30/trump-russia-collusion-fbi-cody-shearer-memo[/url]
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The FBI inquiry into alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 US presidential election has been given a second memo that independently set out some of the same allegations made in a dossier by Christopher Steele, the British former spy.
The second memo was written by Cody Shearer, a controversial political activist and former journalist who was close to the Clinton White House in the 1990s.
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The Shearer memo was provided to the FBI in October 2016.
It was handed to them by Steele – who had been given it by an American contact – after the FBI requested the former MI6 agent provide any documents or evidence that could be useful in its investigation, according to multiple sources.
[B]The Guardian was told Steele warned the FBI he could not vouch for the veracity of the Shearer memo, but that he was providing a copy because [U]it corresponded with what he had separately heard from his own independent sources.[/U][/B]
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[B][U]Among other things, both documents allege Donald Trump was compromised during a 2013 trip to Moscow that involved lewd acts in a five-star hotel.[/U][/B]
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Shearer is a controversial figure in Washington. Conservative outlets have accused him of being part of a “hatchet man” and member of a “secret spy ring” and within Clinton’s orbit. There is no evidence that the Clinton campaign was aware of the Shearer memo.
[B]But other people who know Shearer say he is not just a Democratic party hack and there is no evidence that his memo was ever sought by Clinton campaign officials.[/B]
[B]Sources say that while he lacks the precision and polish of a seasoned former spy like Steele, Shearer has also been described as having a large network of sources around the world and the independent financial means to pursue leads.[/B]
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[QUOTE]Among other things, both documents allege Donald Trump was compromised during a 2013 trip to Moscow that involved lewd acts in a five-star hotel.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, two [B]independent[/B] investigations both came to the same conclusion.
I think the Pee-Pee tapes are real
[QUOTE=Retinazer;53094615]Hmm, two [B]independent[/B] investigations both came to the same conclusion.
I think the Pee-Pee tapes are real[/QUOTE]
The golden penthouse was originally pearly white, you know.
[quote]Among other things, both documents allege Donald Trump was compromised during a 2013 trip to Moscow that involved lewd acts in a five-star hotel.[/quote]
Somebody leak the piss tape already. I mean, it [I]has[/I] to exist.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53094684]Somebody leak the piss tape already. I mean, it [I]has[/I] to exist.[/QUOTE]
I hope it randomly gets uploaded to pornhub.
If we don't get the pee tape at this point I am going to be immensely disappointed.
I guess t_D can drop the "release the memo" threads now?
[QUOTE=Retinazer;53094615]Hmm, two [B]independent[/B] investigations both came to the same conclusion.
I think the Pee-Pee tapes are real[/QUOTE]
A journalist with the BBC [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427"]claims[/URL] that active duty CIA case officers also know of video and audio kompromat "of a sexual nature" in existence, specifically of the Ritz Carlton in Moscow, which would be a third independent source.
Pee Tapes [B]now[/B].
I don't know, I doubt the piss tape exists. Trump feels like the kind of guy who only does the most vanilla kind of sex and thinks he's an expert lover.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53097059]At a certain point, the benefit of the doubt stops being a reasonable default position. Here's what we know for a fact:
1) At least two independent investigators separately confirmed that the Russian government collected video blackmail material on Trump of a sexual nature.
2) Those investigators independently verified that the kompromat was sourced at the same location (the Ritz Moscow).
3)Those investigators independently verified that the kompromat was sourced on the same date, over the two nights that Trump stayed at the hotel for his Miss Universe pageant.
4) Trump had just met with high ranking oligarchs and Kremlin officials to discuss a major business deal, a Trump Moscow property. He had the green light, making this one of the biggest business successes of his life.
5) Trump was so thrilled with this, that he stayed out until well after midnight, drinking and partying.
6) Shortly after Trump came back to the hotel, a group of prostitutes and/or "party girls" cane into the hotel to see Trump.
7) Trump's bodyguard was NOT at Trump's door, and cannot confirm the defense that the party girls were turned away.
Again, all verified by at least two different investigators with no political affiliations, directions on what to look for, or motive for lying, and both of whom are highly respected and we'll vetted researchers -- one a journalist with a spotless track record, and the other a British intelligence officer who is widely considered one of the most incorruptible and expert resources on Russian HUMINT.
Furthermore, nearly 80% of the details within the rest of the dossier have been verified, with [B]nothing[/B] discredited.
Sorry dude, but the piss tape is real.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I'm not doubting that there's a tape with some serious sexual blackmail material, but the piss part sounds like someone put it in there to make it seems more ridiculous
This is getting out of hand, now there are [I]two[/I] of them!
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;53097337]This is getting out of hand, now there are [I]two[/I] of them![/QUOTE]
That we know of. Let's not forget that knowledge of compromising shit on an American president is more valuable hidden than public.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;53097059]snip[/QUOTE]
Not saying you're wrong but I feel like you should cite these claims.
As hilarious as the pee tape would be, I really wish people would stop focusing on it. Like that and his weight stuff seems...really petty, I don't know.
If there's such a thing as an embarrassing sex video of Trump, then it's going to come out eventually when Trump is no longer valuable to Russia as a useful idiot. So the moment Trump is no longer in control, Russia gets to make fun of the US by showing the world what a depraved and sick bastard the most powerful man of America was.
Either that, or Trump is going to end up significantly less wealthy.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53097367]As hilarious as the pee tape would be, I really wish people would stop focusing on it. Like that and his weight stuff seems...really petty, I don't know.[/QUOTE]
Proving the existence of the piss tape is not an important element because it's embarrassing and funny, it's important because its existence would establish as fact that Russia is holding humiliating blackmail material over Trump's head to force him to cooperate. This is not only critical in terms of understanding his treasonous activities during the campaign, but establishes a major new national security concern: the President of the United States is compromised by a hostile foreign entity. Proving the existence of the piss tape establishes entirely new grounds for the immediate invocation of the 25th amendment.
Remember: Trump is not just a former reality TV star: he's the President of the United States, the head of the executive branch, our chief diplomat, and the Commander in Chief. Imagine the implications of the person holding that office being compromised by the government of a hostile foreign nation to such a degree that he must actively betray the security interests of his own country to protect himself.
It would also, of course, be hilarious to watch.
What I don't get is, why is he even concerned over the alleged piss tape at this point?
He survived bragging about sexual assault (and getting away with it because he is famous) on tape, and also survived a scandal of him sleeping with a porn star months after his third wife had a child. I really don't get why he is even that concerned, as a piss tape seems too quaint at this point.
Even if the tape has some illegal aspect to it that we aren't aware of, literally all he has to do is deflect to Hillary Clinton/Benghazi/Pizzagate/Deep State and his base will eat it up out of the palm of his hand.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;53098089]What I don't get is, why is he even concerned over the alleged piss tape at this point?
He survived bragging about sexual assault (and getting away with it because he is famous) on tape, and also survived a scandal of him sleeping with a porn star months after his third wife had a child. I really don't get why he is even that concerned, as a piss tape seems too quaint at this point.
Even if the tape has some illegal aspect to it that we aren't aware of, literally all he has to do is deflect to Hillary Clinton/Benghazi/Pizzagate/Deep State and his base will eat it up out of the palm of his hand.[/QUOTE]
The piss tape itself doesn't matter, it's the fact that if the piss tape is real, then Trump has been fully compromised by the Russian government and is essentially acting as their agent
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;53098089]What I don't get is, why is he even concerned over the alleged piss tape at this point?
He survived bragging about sexual assault (and getting away with it because he is famous) on tape, and also survived a scandal of him sleeping with a porn star months after his third wife had a child. I really don't get why he is even that concerned, as a piss tape seems too quaint at this point.
Even if the tape has some illegal aspect to it that we aren't aware of, literally all he has to do is deflect to Hillary Clinton/Benghazi/Pizzagate/Deep State and his base will eat it up out of the palm of his hand.[/QUOTE]
Because it's not the piss tape itself that's the big problem, it's what it represents: the fact that he's Russia's bitch and just doing as they please, everything his detractors already accuse him of.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;53098138]Because it's not the piss tape itself that's the big problem, it's what it represents: the fact that he's Russia's bitch and just doing as they please, everything his detractors already accuse him of.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;53098115]The piss tape itself doesn't matter, it's the fact that if the piss tape is real, then Trump has been fully compromised by the Russian government and is essentially acting as their agent[/QUOTE]
You both completely missed what he said.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;53098089]What I don't get is, why is he even concerned over the alleged piss tape at this point?
He survived bragging about sexual assault (and getting away with it because he is famous) on tape, and also survived a scandal of him sleeping with a porn star months after his third wife had a child. I really don't get why he is even that concerned, as a piss tape seems too quaint at this point.
Even if the tape has some illegal aspect to it that we aren't aware of, literally all he has to do is deflect to Hillary Clinton/Benghazi/Pizzagate/Deep State and his base will eat it up out of the palm of his hand.[/QUOTE]
For over a year, we've been steadily receiving news about what kind of child Trump is. First, lying about his inauguration crowd size and it only gets worse from that. We literally read in the news that Trump throws temper tantrums.
Can you imagine person like Trump, who loses it at the smallest thing that doesn't put him in a good light, saying "whatever" to something like the piss tape?
My opinion is that the piss tape, if it's real, holds such a power over Trump only because he's such a immature brat who can't let anything damage his ego.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;53099506]What makes the piss tape important is that its such a specific thing that it would all but confirm the rest of the details in the dossiers[/QUOTE]
That's what I've been saying. If one of the most bizarre and out-landish parts of the dossier turns out to be true, things would definitely be looking bleak for the Trump camp.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;53099506]What makes the piss tape important is that its such a specific thing that it would all but confirm the rest of the details in the dossiers[/QUOTE]
Isn't the grandest problem with the Steele dossier that all the meetings in them have those glaring holes in them in that they haven't verified if certain people were there at certain times? In the meetings Steele described about Russian politicians meeting people of Trump's team in different European countries, it remains unverified that said people of Trump's team were actually in said countries at those days. The closest case is that Michael Cohen was on the European continent on the day of one of those meetings, yet even then, he would have required to travel halfway through Europe in a single day without anyone noticing at the place he was staying at. That seems very improbable to me.
And now, even one of Trump's biggest critics at this forum admits that the biggest problem about the piss part, is that they aren't even sure if there even were prostitutes spotted at said hotel that night. All there is, is some very wishful thinking and assumptions on the part of those posters if those allegations are true. Which leads to some very blatant cases of confirmation bias. Especially since it would involve some very out of character moments on Trump's part, the occasions of him drinking alcohol are countable on one hand, and given how big of a germaphobe he is, him paying for two prostitutes only to piss all over a bed because Obama slept in it several years before seems just ridiculous. Wouldn't it be harder for spying networks to verify the events of a night at a five-star Russian hotel than to verify if any of Trump's team-members travelled to one of the destinations Steele claimed those meetings took place around the time those meetings took place? Which, you know, was supposed to be the biggest bombshell about Russian collusion, that Trump planned his run with the Russians for a few years beforehand? And how does it come that if the presence Trump's team-members isn't verified yet, while he claims that those meetings happened? Could it be a real possibility that Steele's sources could have given him false information on purpose?
[QUOTE=Jordax;53101199]Isn't the grandest problem with the Steele dossier that all the meetings in them have those glaring holes in them in that they haven't verified if certain people were there at certain times? In the meetings Steele described about Russian politicians meeting people of Trump's team in different European countries, it remains unverified that said people of Trump's team were actually in said countries at those days. The closest case is that Michael Cohen was on the European continent on the day of one of those meetings, yet even then, he would have required to travel halfway through Europe in a single day without anyone noticing at the place he was staying at. That seems very improbable to me.
And now, even one of Trump's biggest critics at this forum admits that the biggest problem about the piss part, is that they aren't even sure if there even were prostitutes spotted at said hotel that night. All there is, is some very wishful thinking and assumptions on the part of those posters if those allegations are true. Which leads to some very blatant cases of confirmation bias. Especially since it would involve some very out of character moments on Trump's part, the occasions of him drinking alcohol are countable on one hand, and given how big of a germaphobe he is, him paying for two prostitutes only to piss all over a bed because Obama slept in it several years before seems just ridiculous. Wouldn't it be harder for spying networks to verify the events of a night at a five-star Russian hotel than to verify if any of Trump's team-members travelled to one of the destinations Steele claimed those meetings took place around the time those meetings took place? Which, you know, was supposed to be the biggest bombshell about Russian collusion, that Trump planned his run with the Russians for a few years beforehand? And how does it come that if the presence Trump's team-members isn't verified yet, while he claims that those meetings happened? Could it be a real possibility that Steele's sources could have given him false information on purpose?[/QUOTE]
"Piss tape isn't real therefore no collusion"
How do you do this so often
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