Officers break the rules to save baby wounded in drive-by shooting - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/us/beyond-the-call-of-duty-john-conneely-mike-modzelewski/index.html"]Source[/URL] [QUOTE]Chicago (CNN)On an early fall evening last September, Chicago police officers John Conneely and Mike Modzelewski heard the call of shots fired go out over their radio.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/29/us/chicago-shooting-crime-family-gunned-down/"]officers found five people shot[/URL], all victims of a drive-by shooting. One of them was 11-month-old Princeton Chew. Princeton's pregnant mother and his grandmother were also shot and lay bleeding on the street.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The officers broke a department policy, opting to rush the baby to the hospital themselves in their squad car instead of waiting for an ambulance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]The officers' supervisors agreed, deciding not to punish them for violating a department policy.[/QUOTE] Woah, thats rare. Usually when people break policy for a good reason they get punished.

extenuating circumstances indeed

can't really comment either way.. paramedics need to be on site in a situation like this but getting them to hospital is the next best action.

It's good to see someone [B]NOT[/B] getting punished for doing the right thing <3

Glad they didn't get punished, but i can see why they're generally told to wait for paramedics. Moving them may not be the right call in some cases.

[url]http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/06/two-firefighters-suspended-after-saving-18-month-old-girls-life/[/url] Above is an extremely similar case from the past few days. In this case, firefighters transported an 18 month old girl to a hospital in a fire engine while she was having a seizure. There's very significant practical differences in the case, in my opinion, but I think I ultimately agree with the verdict in both cases. In terms of the seizure, the paramedics could have gotten to the scene in the same time it took for the firefighters to transport her to the hospital, and begun delivering anti-seizure medication and safely transporting her to the ER, without the risk of using a non-transport vehicle such as a fire-engine with two untrained people taking medical care of this girl. I don't think they should be punished necessarily, but they should definitely reinforce the protocol they have in place. It's there for a reason. In the case of the bullet wound, there is very little a paramedic could have done besides hold pressure on the wound like the cop was already doing. So in that case, I think they made the right call and should not be suspended.

[QUOTE=Canesfan;49881443][url]http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/06/two-firefighters-suspended-after-saving-18-month-old-girls-life/[/url] Above is an extremely similar case from the past few days. In this case, firefighters transported an 18 month old girl to a hospital in a fire engine while she was having a seizure. There's very significant practical differences in the case, in my opinion, but I think I ultimately agree with the verdict in both cases. In terms of the seizure, the paramedics could have gotten to the scene in the same time it took for the firefighters to transport her to the hospital, and begun delivering anti-seizure medication and safely transporting her to the ER, without the risk of using a non-transport vehicle such as a fire-engine with two untrained people taking medical care of this girl. I don't think they should be punished necessarily, but they should definitely reinforce the protocol they have in place. It's there for a reason. In the case of the bullet wound, there is very little a paramedic could have done besides hold pressure on the wound like the cop was already doing. So in that case, I think they made the right call and should not be suspended.[/QUOTE] Firefighters are usually as trained as EMT/Paramedics, although I only gave experience with my local groups.

It's good they didn't get in trouble but it's probably best if they had waited for an ambulance. Those guys are excellent at their job and for critical injuries like that it's important to assess and stabilize the patient before transport. And they can receive treatment while in transit as well. If the cops brought them the kid to a hospital and he died they probably would've been in trouble but it had a good outcome for everyone this time.

How come the title isn't "White officers break the rules to save black baby wounded in drive-by shooting" like all of the other police related stories? But seriously that must be terrifying for the officers. It most likely would be a totally different outcome had the baby died.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49881169]Woah, thats rare. Usually when people break policy for a good reason they get punished.[/QUOTE] Because journalism is fundamentally biased etc

[QUOTE=Jitterz;49881876]How come the title isn't "White officers break the rules to save black baby wounded in drive-by shooting" like all of the other police related stories? But seriously that must be terrifying for the officers. It most likely would be a totally different outcome had the baby died.[/QUOTE] Because that isn't demonizing whites for being the devil, silly

The internet needs to make up their mind. If they want police more accountable then this stuff cannot go unpunished. This type stuff happens all the time and people get angry because of it. Policies get broken every shift to do the job right.

[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;49881661]Firefighters are usually as trained as EMT/Paramedics, although I only gave experience with my local groups.[/QUOTE] That's pretty department specific. In my county it's not required, or even the norm. Besides, even if they were paramedics, their fire engine doesn't have the equipment/medications that an ambulance does.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49882366]The internet needs to make up their mind. If they want police more accountable then this stuff cannot go unpunished. This type stuff happens all the time and people get angry because of it. Policies get broken every shift to do the job right.[/QUOTE] um theres a world of difference between outrage when a cop shoots someone and sits there for 40 minutes before deciding to call the paramedics, and a cop taking a gunshot victim to the hospital before the paramedics arrive.

They really need to train police officers as EMT's as well, at least the basics for have to situations.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49882366]The internet needs to make up their mind. If they want police more accountable then this stuff cannot go unpunished. This type stuff happens all the time and people get angry because of it. Policies get broken every shift to do the job right.[/QUOTE] It's more about common sense and context than anything else. Breaking policy to drive to the hospital and save a kid who might not make it if they wait for the paramedics is a far cry from allowing someone to die.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49883622]It's more about common sense and context than anything else. Breaking policy to drive to the hospital and save a kid who might not make it if they wait for the paramedics is a far cry from allowing someone to die.[/QUOTE] Its still breaking policy. The internet is going to have to decide whether they want officers bound inexcusably to policy (as they have shown wanted) or they want a gray area. This is the shit the internet doesnt know happen daily.

So what are you guys voting for in the next internet opinion vote? I'm voting that we all think that murder should be legal. I sure am glad that the internet is a hivemind consisting of only one opinion on any subject, it really smoothens out arguments

When saving a life, time is essential. It's even more desperate when a young child or infant is involved. The women probably would have made it to see the paramedics, but the baby might not have survived without immediate care. These guys did their job and tried to save the life of society's most vulnerable at their own risk. police officers do this for a living. There should be no public outcry nor media attention on what they did. They did their duty. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Doesn't seem to be a right or wrong answer in this case, both courses of action are totally justified regardless of the eventual result.