Humans made fire 300,000 years ago. Before Homo Sapiens emerged. - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.livescience.com/42861-early-human-campfire-found-israel.html[/URL] [QUOTE]They also tell us something about the impressive levels of social and cognitive development of humans living some 300,000 years ago," Shahack-Gross added in a statement. The centrally located fire pit is about 6.5 feet (2 meters) in diameter at its widest point and its ash layers suggest the hearth was used repeatedly over time, according to the study, which was detailed in the Journal of Archaeological Science on Jan. 25. Shahack-Gross and colleagues think these features are an indication that the hearth may have been used by large groups of cave dwellers. What's more, its position implies some planning went into deciding where to put the fire pit, suggesting whoever built it must have had a certain level of intelligence.[/QUOTE] Someone came up with farming before the ice age - we just haven't discovered it. Calling it.

I'm inclined to believe that past humans were way more intelligent than we give them credit for.

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;43696851]I'm inclined to believe that past humans were way more intelligent than we give them credit for.[/QUOTE] hav u never seen star wars??? humans had mastered space exploration a long time ago idiot

[QUOTE=dwt110;43696866]hav u never seen star wars??? humans had mastered space exploration a long time ago idiot[/QUOTE] Please keep the history channel away from intelligent conversation.

so fire is more of an evolutionary/instinctual thing and less of an ALIEN TECHNOLOGY! fucking big-haired guy from the "history" channel

[QUOTE=Sableye;43696880]so fire is more of an evolutionary/instinctual thing and less of an ALIEN TECHNOLOGY! fucking big-haired guy from the "history" channel[/QUOTE] I don't know, therefore aliens :v: It's small wonder that he became a meme actually.

[QUOTE=Sableye;43696880]so fire is more of an evolutionary/instinctual thing and less of an ALIEN TECHNOLOGY! fucking big-haired guy from the "history" channel[/QUOTE] Humans are based on logical thought. When we rubbed our hands together in an attempt to keep warm from the cold we create friction and thus heat, we then thought "What if I did this faster?" and then "What if I applied this to wood that's dry?" boom, fire. Although it must've taken a very fucking long time to start a fire and maintaining it must've been surmount.

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;43696851]I'm inclined to believe that past humans were way more intelligent than we give them credit for.[/QUOTE] Why people think pre-humans were basically chimps continues to confound me as well.

I think there's a huge difference between using fire and farming, in terms of technical knowledge. Farming- need to know about soil so you know what can grow there, access to regular water supply, what to grow, when to harvest, how to deal with pests, how to calculate work vs harvest so you gain more in food than you spend in energy. Fire-it can start naturally like with a lighnting strike, once you see it you know everything you need to know. You know what type of material burns, so you can keep a fire going. You see it puts off light, even a caveman could recognize the value of having light at night. It's warm, you think a caveman might understand a warm fire is helpful on a cold night? I do. Then it's just a matter of time before Grog accidentally drops the feral pig testicles he's gnawing on into the fire as he's chillin' next to it. By the time he manages to use a stick to drag them out, they are roasted. He's hungry as fuck, so he eats them anyways- Grog discovers bbq!

[QUOTE=Appellation;43696992]Why people think pre-humans were basically chimps continues to confound me as well.[/QUOTE] I've always based my knowledge of prehistoric humans on the very famous documentary of world history, titled "History of the World: Part I" I can't wait for the sequel.

It's official. We are the most awesome thing to happen to the galaxy.

To elaborate: The first fire known to cavemen did start from observing lightning strikes, but the main thing they did for a long time before they knew how to start fires on their own was to take natural fire, and keep it 'alive' for years by feeding it fuel which they knew it would consume. In fact, one bed of ashes they found in some cave in China was nearly 20 feet deep.

thanks adama.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43697063]To elaborate: The first fire known to cavemen did start from observing lightning strikes, but the main thing they did for a long time before they knew how to start fires on their own was to take natural fire, and keep it 'alive' for years by feeding it fuel which they knew it would consume. In fact, one bed of ashes they found in some cave in China was nearly 20 feet deep.[/QUOTE] That sounds rather detailed for finding a pile of ashes. How do they know all those ashes came from one continuous fire and they didn't just relight it in the same place many times over?

The first man to have dropped his food in fire to cook it must have been beaten to a pulp by everyone else, because fuck, who would waste perfectly good raw food by burning it, come on

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43697637]The first man to have dropped his food in fire to cook it must have been beaten to a pulp by everyone else, because fuck, who would waste perfectly good raw food by burning it, come on[/QUOTE] Imagine discovering milk.

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43697794]Imagine discovering milk.[/QUOTE] Probably a really idiotic bet.

[QUOTE=Appellation;43696992]Why people think pre-humans were basically chimps continues to confound me as well.[/QUOTE] When remains of early humans were first discovered most scientists actually did think that. Being a new field of research they didn't have many ways of telling whether the bones they found were extremely primitive or just belonged to someone who was old, injured, or sickly.

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43697794]Imagine discovering milk.[/QUOTE] Norse myth offers the idea that man emerged from the ice as YMIR (an important cow) was licking the ice. from [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ymir[/url] Nicolai Abildgaard gives us his impression of the events: [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Audhumla_by_Abildgaard.jpg/800px-Audhumla_by_Abildgaard.jpg[/IMG]

History is fucking terrifyig sometimes

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43697794]Imagine discovering milk.[/QUOTE] "Hey man, our females produce a liquid that provides nourishment for her child. The cow over there produces a similar liquid that provides nourishment for the calf. Let's harvest that shit." Not really a huge logical leap.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43697799]Probably a really idiotic bet.[/QUOTE] Some fetish started it all.

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43697794]Imagine discovering milk.[/QUOTE] I don't really think it's too much of a stretch to see how human woman produce milk for their babies, and then see other animals doing the same. If a human back then was really thirsty and away from water I would have thought he could put two and two together. [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43697883]"Hey man, our females produce a liquid that provides nourishment for her child. The cow over there produces a similar liquid that provides nourishment for the calf. Let's harvest that shit." Not really a huge logical leap.[/QUOTE] Ah beat me :(

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;43696916]Humans are based on logical thought. When we rubbed our hands together in an attempt to keep warm from the cold we create friction and thus heat, we then thought "What if I did this faster?" and then "What if I applied this to wood that's dry?" boom, fire. Although it must've taken a very fucking long time to start a fire and maintaining it must've been surmount.[/QUOTE] and then when you consider just how freakishly huuuge of a time span 300 000 years are. i mean we think that 5000 years back is a long time. that's the furthest back that we have recorded history of. think of all the things we've accomplished in these 5000 years! think of all the generations of people that have come and gone. now how about 300 000 years! take 5000 out from it and you still have 295 000 years left! it's just a tiny piece! 295000 years of unrecorded history where just about any idea could've sprung into place. with our/or whoever's, intelligence, curiosity and opposing thumbs, finding out about fire was inevitable. as was any other major idea or invention from the stone age. I'm not an archeologist or an historian, in fact i rarely know anything about the things i talk about but every time there's some story about the early early history of humans, i can't help but nerd up!

We take for granted our ancestors. They were some pretty intelligent motherfuckers in context. Oh we want to worship our gods, how do we do that? Well fuck the police were gonna build a motherfucking pyramid, and do it several times over to just confess our love for those bastards. Oh this batch of grains got wet and it seems we need to clean out this basket? Christ, this is gonna be a bitch to clean, leave it in the rain again. *comes back a day later* What the hell? Its bubbling now! Lets try some! *take swig* And such was the discovery of the first beer. Our ancestors were pretty boss. Not only doing things because they wanted to impress their deities, but because they needed to survive, and as such they endured and kept going, morphing like clay to their terrains. Not to mention just about every bit of technology we have today has some place with those "stupid idiots".

I thought it was Tom Hanks who made fire?

I don't like the way historical ancestor species are defined. When we're talking about a constant continuum of gradual selection and mutations, to any educated it is clear that a specie does not suddenly just turn into another. But when the general public is an irrational ball of dogma and stupidity, the way we arbitrarily choose a certain point or a property which defines the specie rises up the perpetual quest for transitional species between species, and the transitional species between transitional species.

[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43697794]Imagine discovering milk.[/QUOTE] I always thought the discovering of oysters being edible odd. "Hey Grok, I found a rock with some snot in it. I'm gonna eat it!"

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43699484]I always thought the discovering of oysters being edible odd. "Hey Grok, I found a rock with some snot in it. I'm gonna eat it!"[/QUOTE] Same thing with lobsters and crabs. who the fuck thought it was a good idea to try and eat a giant fucking bug?

[QUOTE=fskman;43699509]Same thing with lobsters and crabs. who the fuck thought it was a good idea to try and eat a giant fucking bug?[/QUOTE] Probably people who ate actual bugs for protein and thought "Hey, these look similar but they have a lot more meat on them."