• Sleep and Dreams Megathread V3
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[highlight][b]Plagiarism of Oblivious' hard work[/b][/highlight] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Section I: An introduction[/b] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [u]What is/Why Sleep?[/u] Sleep is a necessary process of the body that rejuvenates the body and the mind. It is when our brain disconnects from the body enters a phase of idleness, hopefully. Everybody in this forum, assuming you're around 12 to 18, requires 9 hours of sleep, go higher and you become fatter, go lower and you'll feel like shit. [u]What is a dream[/u] It is a phase in your sleep when your emotions and thoughts are projected as an environment and situation. It is also a toilet for your emotions and being woken up from a dream can put you in a shit mood. Note that everyone dreams in their sleep, they simply do not remember most of them. [u]What is a/Why Lucid dream[/u] A lucid dream is when you have full power over a dream. Alright, it actually means being fully aware of being in a dream, but some people have difficulty understanding that. Why lucid dream? It's like the ultimate sandbox game, you can do everything! Actually, just a few things you can't do, but it doesn't matter, it's like god hood, but the only downside is that it's hard to master and for people like me, it's pretty lonely because you know everyone in the dream ain't real. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Section II: Sleep phenomena[/b] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not all will be mentioned since some are not relevant [u]Sleepwalk[/u] Some people have this problem, like me. It usually consists of basic activities, or just trying to sleep, like for most people when they suddenly get hot in their sleep, will usually put away their blankets unconsciously. It's not like those old cartoons where a some person with his eyes closed walks into a construction site and does dumb stuff. A sleep walker usually has eyes open, but usually looks blur. Yes, there are cases where people do kill others in sleepwalk, but don't worry, you won't do it. No one is sure how it happens, but I think it's got something to do with subconscious and failed disconnection of brain from body. [u]Sleep talk[/u] I also have this problem. It's not as bad as sleepwalk as all you do is talk in your sleep. It's usually crap, but sometimes, it can be deep. This can be caused by a moment in a dream/nightmare. [u]Sleep Paralysis[/u] This. This is the stuff most of us lucid dreamers are trying to achieve. It is when your body is paralyzed as you move into REM sleep. You usually see hallucinations and other stuff happens, like faster breathing. Because of faster breathing, most people are instantly struck with fear and their hallucinations become fearsome, and eventually, recover from sleep paralysis. But, if one were to stay calm, he can instantly jump into a dream and become lucid. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Section III: Dreaming as a hobby[/b] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [u]Why a hobby?[/u] To tell and share dreams is fun for everyone and it is also a great way to socialize since everyone dreams. [u]How to recall a dream[/u] Of course, this is the most important question. Most people have difficulty at remembering dreams, simply because dreams are rigged to be forgotten the moment you wake up. Another reason why some dream are easily forgotten is because they were boring and aren't worth remembering. Here's how you improve dream recall. -When you wake up, don't move or anything. The first thing you must focus on is the dream. -Before you sleep, repeat to yourself that you'll remember your dream. -Get a dream journal. It makes recall a lot easier and may sometimes help induce lucidity for those doing WBTB. -Eat bananas, watermelons and fish. They contain vitamins necessary for dream recall, supposedly.(I have the same dream recall with and without them) -If you're desperate, take a single tablet with vitamin b6 or 1 to 2 pills of cod liver oil Note that dream recall is a powerful placebo capable increasing chances of lucidity, shame it doesn't work on me anymore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Section IV: Subconscious[/b] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Honestly, I can't let you go to lucid dreaming yet without learning about your subconscious. [u]What is my subconscious[/u] In waking life, it is a manifest of all your emotions and thoughts. It is also what does work, skill and keep knowledge. If you wish to refer it as a person, then you are known as the conscious, you're like the Kim Jong Il of your body and the subconscious is north korea, you determine what goes on, what stays secret and what happens. Note that it is influenced by you and it influences your dream. [u]Who is my subconscious[/u] The only time it is a "who" is in a dream. I don't know if I should call it an alter conscious or a subconscious, but most people say subconscious since it knows a lot about you. This, "thing" can take the form of anything and everything, even your cheesy doodle that just came to life. While it takes a form that you're comfortable with, note that sometimes what you meet may not be your subconscious, but is actually just another dream projection affected by placebo. To avoid this, don't think about what it looks like and what it's like, simply know it as your subconscious, nothing else should be assumed. [u]How do I summon my subconscious[/u] This will be explained in the lucid dream section. [u]How do I talk to my subconscious[/u] Now this is tough. There's two ways, both of them possibly being affected by placebos. I'll explain these two ways -Go lucid and summon it -Ideomotor response: Get a pendulum (something like what the hypnotist use for hypnotizing), try moving it with your mind and try really hard. When it moves, thats because your subconscious did that. Now set some rules and start asking away. Note that there are only 2 answers: yes, and no.[/list] The subconscious can also talk to you by -Music in your head. -Gut feelings Just note that it is always good to remember that your subconscious is you. [highlight][b]What and Who is my anti-subconscious[/b][/highlight] First, lets get this clear, your anti-sub may appear due to reading this, so read at your own risk. [sp]Reading that first sentence has already caused incentive for your anti-sub to appear, so, good luck. Your anti-subconscious is like a subconscious, it is a pit of emotions, however, it is negative emotions. Most people identify anti-subs by them being something they do not recognize, but is capable of bending their emotions in negative ways, such as to invoke terror, fear, misery and rage. I myself have never had to experience dealing with an anti-sub, mainly due to the fact that I believe it is a placebo. It usually appears, due to a few reasons, like knowing they exist, being lucid and fear. Of course, if you didn't know they existed, it would otherwise just be a nightmare. To deal with it, it's like dealing with a nightmare, just be brave and poof, it's gone. Note that you cannot summon an anti-sub, because what you summon will not be the anti-sub. Actually, I shouldn't have said that, so good luck dealing with possible traumatic experiences. [/sp] [highlight]By having read that whole section, you have ultimately screwed yourself. Good day to you[/highlight] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Section V: Lucid Dreaming[/b] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YES! [u]How to differentiate reality and a dream[/u] If anything, even if there is so much nonsense in a dream, it's hard to realize it is a dream. This is because your brain has switched over to [b]DREAM LOGIC[/b], which makes you believe that you aren't in a dream, despite how messed up it is, even if your father was killed by a ravenous chicken that suddenly transformed into some hideous bird-like beast that emits black gas. The only way to differentiate is to do a reality check, why? Because dream logic has failed to cover reality checks, plus, the moment you reality check, it is the moment you switch over to [b]REAL-LIFE LOGIC[/b]. List of Reality checks: -Close your nose and try to breathe. If you breathe, it's a dream -Look at your hands. You should only have 10 fingers. -Clocks. Look at them, look away, then look at them again. -Phones, tablets and computers. They don't work as they should. -Mirrors, there's always something wrong. -Jump. Results may vary. -No clip. Move to the point your start to fly -Push your tongue into teeth. If it goes through, quickly pull it back before you hurt yourself. -Electricity. It doesn't apply in a dream if you know what I mean. E.g. You can play your xbox360 without one and with your TV plugged off. -Nightmares. If there's a man chasing you with chainsaw, then obviously something's not right. Try running into the chainsaw.[/list] There's no way all these reality checks can fail you in one dream. [u]Staying Lucid[/u] Now this is a serious problem. Why even teach you how to become lucid if the moment you become lucid is the moment you wake up. Here's how you stay lucid. -Spin. If you feel your dream is going to end, spin! Spin right round. Keep spinning until you feel your dream isn't going to end. While spinning, you can also change the environment and situation with your thoughts alone. Note that it is required that remind yourself you're in a dream while doing this as you might lose lucidity. -Rub your hands together or on something. It is distracting and it also stimulates the sense of touch, thus, keeping you in the dream for some reason. -Beware of false awakenings. When you wake up, please, do a reality check. -Feel stuff with your hands. Hug stuff! Grab stuff! Touch stuff! It stimulates the sense of touch. [u]How to summon in a lucid dream[/u] This is something most people have difficulty in a lucid dream, because if you can't do this, there goes half the fun of lucid dreaming. Remember as a kid, when you ran with a imaginary sword or something and beat your friends in imaginary fights. You could actually feel the sword, true? If you want to summon an object, you have to feel that it is there, but make sure you summon it out of your sight. You can summon absolutely anything, guns, meteors, Jesus, people, a second penis and blue gas. With the same technique, you can transform yourself, since you don't actually look at yourself. [u]How to fly in a lucid dream[/u] There are several ways to do this -Open up a console, like in a source game, and type noclip. You will literally noclip. -Jump, you might just fly. -Run, you'll start to fly part way -Run off a cliff. No, really, you'll fly [u]How to change your surroundings in a lucid dream[/u] I'm sure when you're in a lucid dream, you'd want be somewhere else most of the time. You can do this by -Spinning as much mentioned above -Doors, especially if you can't see whats on the other side. Just feel what's on the other side of the door and then open it, you should be where you want to be, if not, try again. -Darkness. I'm not sure about this, but if you enter a dark place, feel what the place is outside of the darkness, then exit the darkness, you'll be where you want to be. -Travel. Anyway method of travel, just feel that you're travelling to where you want to be, should work. [u]How to induce lucidity[/u] Alas, we have made it to the moment of truth. No time to waste, so here's the methods. -[b]DILD[/b]: Dream induced lucid dream, it is a lucid dream induced during the dream and is a very common method of induction. Simply train yourself to reality check about every 5 minutes and to differentiate dream from reality(which can be done by writing a dream journal). Then you'll suddenly do reality check, or something will happen that will cause you to reality check and voila, you're friggin' lucid. -[b]MILD[/b]: Mnemonically induced lucid. God knows what that means. It is a method where you constantly repeat a phrase as you try to sleep somehow. Just make a phrase like "I want lucid" or "I want recall" and repeat it. If it succeeds, you'll get the desired effect, like lucidity. You can increase your chances of MILD by waking yourself 6 hours after you start sleeping, assuming you sleep 9 hours, and then go back to sleep and perform MILD. -[b]WILD[/b]: Wake induced lucid dream. The main objective here is to suffer sleep paralysis and enter the dream through it, as mentioned in section II. To achieve this, you need to be absolutely still with your eyes closed, but conscious as you enter sleep. To stay conscious, keep your mind active, try playing minecraft in your head or drawing pictures in your head. It is easier to WILD if you're tired, taking an afternoon or trying to sleep after being woken up during a dream(6 hours after you start sleeping is the most likely time). -[b]WBTB[/b]: Wake back to bed. It is the son of MILD and DILD as I would say it. Basically, wake up during a dream, supposedly 6 hours after you start sleeping. Then spend about 20 to 60 minutes reading about lucid dreaming or writing in your dream journal about the dream you just had. Then go back to sleep. When writing the dream journal entry, desperation helps. -[b]DEILD[/b]: Once your dream recall is good and you are aware of waking after many of your dreams you are ready to start DEILDing! When done properly the whole process generally takes less than a minute from awake to in a LD. You awake after a dream. Now HOLD STILL! Don't open your eyes. The less you move the better chance you will have of success. This is because moving can cause your brain to come out of REM. You need to keep your mind awake, but still in that dreamy, in-between state. -[b]FILD[/b]: Finger Induced Lucid Dream, A variant of DEILD (Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream) in which minute twitching of the fingers induces sleep paralysis. This is also good for keeping your concentration while falling back into a dream, trying to keep consciousness. If there are more methods, do inform me.
op seems pretty good I had a dream that I was holding hands with this girl I know, hugging her and in the dream I was in like a hidden relationship with her. Shit was disappointing when I woke up. [editline]hp[y shit[/editline] Turns out she likes me IRL V:v:V [editline]hp[y shit[/editline] and now we're with eachother :D it's like the dream though, we're keeping it hidden just in case it screws up [editline]hp[y shit[/editline] not hiding anymore, everyone knows [editline]big american titties roman[/editline] still together
[QUOTE=geogzm;28837290]I had a dream that I was holding hands with this girl I know, hugging her and in the dream I was in like a hidden relationship with her. Shit was disappointing when I woke up.[/QUOTE] You need a hobby. Doodling is pretty easy and fun. It's also a good escape from life, or at least has 500+ more hours of distraction than call of duty.
I had a dream within a dream. So in my dream I was going about my daily routine up to the part where toe nails started raining from the sky...then I woke up. God dammit I better not be dreaming :v:
[QUOTE=l33tkill;28837381]I had a dream within a dream. So in my dream I was going about my daily routine up to the part where toe nails started raining from the sky...then I woke up. God dammit I better not be dreaming :v:[/QUOTE] Try putting your finger all the way in to your mouth. It's a good reality check. :v:
If my computer didn't blow up I could post the numerous dreams I wrote down. I think I might recite them from memory in the coming days (or hours). If I feel like it. I did have a dream yesterday. Of course it's fractured now, as dreams often do. It was something about me (or a character based on me) being some sort of detective looking into the murders of numerous, presumably homeless people. Apparently these people are part of some sort of secret society who dwell in the sewers, and the murderer turned out to be one of their own who didn't like the society's new means of operating (whatever those may be). So, he goes around killing the chain of command 'for the good of the society'. Eventually, this detective character that I appear to be discovers the murderer and is forced to kill him (by impaling him with a machete. A bit excessive to me, but dream logic tells me it was the right thing to do). Upon searching his 'lair' I/the detective comes across a long prophecy of sorts carved hastily into the wall. All I can gather of the long writing are the numbers 941, 10.2, and a mysterious third number (and for some reason I woke up thinking division was related to it in someway. With simple mathematics I thought maybe 92 may be that third number 941/92= [roughly] 10.2) along with the final phrase "...and all the bombs shall fall; and only one, you, shall live to watch them all." I think I started to become aware of my own dream world and it decided to abort or nuke itself... When I/the detective emerged from the sewers, an extremely loud noise is heard and a mushroom cloud rapidly rises in the distance. Soon afterwards another sound is heard accompanied by another mushroom cloud. The building I'm in collapses and traps me in and I through cracks as a shockwave demolishes the parts of the city. Before it can pummel me, the ground caves in and I fall into the sewers again. As everything crumbles up above, two king cobras fall to my left and right. Then I wake up. I enjoy the dreams I have- when I have them. I don't know what their symbolism is but I end up thinking about them a lot. They might be a way my brain is proposing ideas and concepts for writing or whatever. My other dreams can get much stranger. Some even have recurring elements like my Night Terror friend Skinfag, or [less-offensively] The Pale Man (but this is probably a placebo effect, as my first encounter scared me shitless. Still does.)
I thought Zin was making the new thread?
Here's a weird as hell dream I've never posted before, happened a few months ago. I don't even know who the people are in this I was at school, an event was going on in the field, the field was so much bigger and had hills all over, and a huge fence at the end of it. My teacher or someone was announcing it and I said to her I'm afraid of heights and speed. I don't remember what I said to him/her. I went out into the field and grabbed one of these 'guns' that you put in between your legs and you fly across the field. I said "fuck it" and shot the gun, shooting me across the field, ending near the very edge but falling off due to the fear of me hitting it, I failed my first time. Nik was about 50 feet away from me, on a jellyfish/flying object. I asked him where he got it, he said from the shop. I asked where the shop was but you couldn't hear me, you and 20 other people were suddenly on giant jellyfishes going back to the top of the hill, but people weren't on the other jellyfishes, only you were. I walked back up the hill, but no one was up there except a pile of guns. I decided to give it another go, so I put it inbetween my legs, and pulled the trigger. Flying faster now, I landed perfectly at the end of the field. There was another person there, Kiara. I said to myself, and I'm pretty sure I said this outloud in my sleep. "This is it Ashten, do it." So I started talking to her, asking if she was okay because she was lying down. She said she hit the wall, and hurt her ankle. So before even asking her anything else, we were halfway up the field with me carrying her. We talked for what felt like hours, not remembering anything that we spoke about. I wanted to go to the shop to get a jellyfish, so I went there. It was disgusting, scraps of metal and garbage everywhere, there were two cats in the middle, and this man was hurting them. I grabbed a chunk of sharpened metal from the heap, and swung it at his back, it must have hit his spine, as he seemed paralyzed. I took the cats, injured and whining and went to a swamp. Nik and I were in the swamp, with a few others that I couldn't recognize. There in the swamp I had an objective, I had to put the cats in the water with a chance they would heal. I submerged the cats, hoping with all my being that the animals would be alright. And then I woke up.
Ah, a nice new thread. Too bad I haven't remembered ANY DREAMS FOR THE PAST 5 DAYS.
I had a dream where there was a subway station that would deliver me Subway sandwiches.
Hw long does it takes to learn to lucid dream? I was repeating a phrase (''we need to go deeper'') and eventually my stomach started feeling weird and my breathing rhythm changed and I saw a black interior with shapes and faces and I felt like I was going in but it didn't work...was I getting close?
I still don't understand Lucid Dreaming completely. When I'm dreaming, I forget the entire process of what to do (EX:Reality checks) and i'm not in control...
I keep saying I am going to start this. But my life is so perfect there is almost no need :buddy: [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] nah fuck it I'm doin it anyway
[QUOTE=kwk;28842044]I still don't understand Lucid Dreaming completely. When I'm dreaming, I forget the entire process of what to do (EX:Reality checks) and i'm not in control...[/QUOTE] yeah I have this too. I dream a lot and if I remember them very clearly when I wake up, I write them down. I've managed to write (pretty detailed) down 12 dreams since 1st of jan. I also get lots of normal dreams (almost everyday), but I don't remember those very clearly, only vague details. But in those dreams I never go 'hey, maybe i should do a reality check'. I sometimes do go 'this can't be real, its a dream thats for sure' but I never get this idea to do whatever I want. The dream just continues. I only had one dream where I felt like I had full controll. I performed a reality check and reminded myself of things to do. I remember looking in the sky and seeing a purple sky.
Why was I rated funny? requesting an answer to my question above.
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Yay new thread. Hey oblivious, maybe you should add a section to the OP as a list to tell which people are trustworthy and which people are idiots/trolls/mentally ill baby-men. I honestly don't care which list I'm on.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;28844847][img_thumb]http://www.filmofilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/inception_poster1-535x793.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] wow really?
I used to sometimes get sleep paralysis, man that used to scare the shit out of me until I got used to it and knew how to get out of it
I had this strange dream feeling last night that's kind of hard to explain. I was talking to people in my dream and everytime it was my turn to respond to them I'd wake up, while awake I was in a dream like state where I wasn't really aware of my surroundings. I knew I was in my room and not sleeping properly anymore but I still felt the urge to reply to the people in my dream, I felt bad when I was trying to go back to sleep because I felt as though I was ignoring the people :v: I've also had this in dreams where someone has text me in my dream and I try to respond to them in real life.
now I don't want to meet my subcon I'm afraid that I'll think the question and get fucked.
I've been having a lot of nightmares nearly everyday for the past month now. Hell even just last night I dreamt I was 7 and then my ex-mentor horribly raped me. I've personally been going through a lot stress and problems the past month now and have so far organised to meet with my doctor who can refer me to a psychologist. Anything I can do in the mean time to help stop these nightmares?
Accidentaly rated disagree instead of funny, sorry.
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;28847117]Accidentaly rated disagree instead of funny, sorry.[/QUOTE] This can't be funny. It's scary because he seemed liked a really nice person, but in the end abused mine and everyone's trust for his own needs. I'm not even going to forget when he said he had a present for me and told me to close my eyes and hold my hands out cupped, then to rub whatever I felt in them :ohdear: I noticed a trend going on with my nightmares though, and that's usually when I'm basically completely helpless. It also mostly includes a group of people, usually 3, attacking me.
[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;28847320]This can't be funny. It's scary because he seemed liked a really nice person, but in the end abused mine and everyone's trust for his own needs. I'm not even going to forget when he said he had a present for me and told me to close my eyes and hold my hands out cupped, then to rub whatever I felt in them :ohdear: I noticed a trend going on with my nightmares though, and that's usually when I'm basically completely helpless. It also mostly includes a group of people, usually 3, attacking me.[/QUOTE] Clear your mind and try confronting them (you can try meditation). Either that or do right what you have stress with in reality. [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] Also who wrote that [I]sexy[/I] OP :v:
I'm not sure if it actually was lucid dreaming, as I've never tried it before, but a couple of days ago I dreamed that I was on vacation in some exotic country, and I knew I was dreaming, and I remember thinking "Please don't let this be a dream".
[QUOTE=solid_jake;28848047]Clear your mind and try confronting them (you can try meditation). Either that or do right what you have stress with in reality.[/QUOTE] In my dreams I'm hardly able to stay relaxed or attempt to lucid. Whatever happens to me just happens. Also I'm not so sure with what you mean about last thing you mentioned, [i]"Either that or do right what you have stress with in reality"[/i]? Even though I usually have nightmares, rarely they can turn into nice dreams in the end. I guess we all have different opinions of nice dreams though, but my idea of a nice dream is being in control, overpowered, invincible, and brutally killing everyone and anything I can see just so to become a living nightmare for them, and the amazingly nice feeling I get from it.
Well you say you've been having stress for the past month, I'm saying you could try easing it over by satisfying or fixing what's bothering you. That is of course if it's extremely problematic, in which case I would suggest meditating before you go to sleep and try to do something to relax you. If you can't do it in the dream you can still drop the chances of having a nightmare if you go to sleep relaxed and untroubled.
[QUOTE=solid_jake;28848507]Well you say you've been having stress for the past month, I'm saying you could try easing it over by satisfying or fixing what's bothering you. That is of course if it's extremely problematic, in which case I would suggest meditating before you go to sleep and try to do something to relax you. If you can't do it in the dream you can still drop the chances of having a nightmare if you go to sleep relaxed and untroubled.[/QUOTE] Usually when I'm fatigued I'm pretty relaxed and can get to sleep fine. It's just that I can't really help having these nightmares since I notice they seem to derive from a certain real life event that happened to me a month ago. I guess it's more of a problematic case since I feel like I'm unable to move on from it.
Hmmmm... If jake is even temporarily coming back, then I see a bright future ahead for this thread.
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