Lost Civilization May Have Existed Beneath the Persian Gulf - Polidicks

[quote]Veiled beneath the Persian Gulf, a once-fertile landmass may have supported some of the earliest humans outside Africa some 75,000 to 100,000 years ago, a new review of research suggests. At its peak, the floodplain now below the Gulf would have been about the size of Great Britain, and then shrank as water began to flood the area. Then, about 8,000 years ago, the land would have been swallowed up by the Indian Ocean, the review scientist said. The study, which is detailed in the December issue of the journal Current Anthropology, has broad implications for aspects of human history. For instance, scientists have debated over when early modern humans exited Africa, with dates as early as 125,000 years ago and as recent as 60,000 years ago (the more recent date is the currently accepted paradigm), according to study researcher Jeffrey Rose, an archaeologist at the University of Birmingham in the U.K. "I think Jeff's theory is bold and imaginative, and hopefully will shake things up," Robert Carter of Oxford Brookes University in the U.K. told LiveScience. "It would completely rewrite our understanding of the out-of-Africa migration. It is far from proven, but Jeff and others will be developing research programs to test the theory." Viktor Cerny of the Archaeogenetics Laboratory, the Institute of Archaeology, in Prague, called Rose's finding an "excellent theory," in an e-mail to LiveScience, though he also points out the need for more research to confirm it. The findings have sparked discussion among researchers, including Carter and Cerny, who were allowed to provide comments within the research paper, about who exactly the humans were who occupied the Gulf basin. "Given the presence of Neanderthal communities in the upper reaches of the Tigris and Euphrates River, as well as in the eastern Mediterranean region, this may very well have been the contact zone between moderns and Neanderthals," Rose told LiveScience. In fact, recent evidence from the sequencing of the Neanderthal genome suggests interbreeding, meaning [B]we are part caveman.[/B][/quote] [url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20101210/sc_livescience/lostcivilizationmayhaveexistedbeneaththepersiangulf]Source[/url] [img]http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1531/archmapxlarge.jpg[/img] Sort of misleading title but still pretty cool.

It must be an odd sight to see a former landmass underwater.

Atlantis? I find it amazing that our planet can take a landmass and completely submerge it, then make it seem like it never existed.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;26609684]Atlantis? I find it amazing that our planet can take a landmass and completely submerge it, then make it seem like it never existed.[/QUOTE] Thins like this always make me wonder, why are we trying so hard to go farther and farther into space when we barely know anything about our own oceans? There's probably an amazing amount of thing in the oceans just waiting to be discovered.

[QUOTE=TheBrokenHobo;26609843]Thins like this always make me wonder, why are we trying so hard to go farther and farther into space when we barely know anything about our own oceans? There's probably an amazing amount of thing in the oceans just waiting to be discovered.[/QUOTE] Because we need more space on the earth I'd say, resources etc, who knows what we can get out of space, but we already know what there is here in terms of resources, unless the ocean contains some type of super resource.

Oil is the blood of a dead civilization :v:

Interesting Atlantis Lemuria MU?

I would like to see more follow up on this. I think a lot of the news articles that were released were a bit rushed and went on the whole "Atlantis" angle, but something tells me that won't be the case. I think some more follow up will show that.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;26609684]Atlantis? I find it amazing that our planet can take a landmass and completely submerge it, then make it seem like it never existed.[/QUOTE] Thing is, a landmass is just a slab of rock that's not totally submerged in water. All it takes is for the crust to move a bit and it will rise, or sink, or shatter.

[url]http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/12/archeologist-persian-gulf-sites-hint-at-prehistoric-garden-of-eden/1[/url] Better source. This is not a lost continent or Atlantis or anything, it's just saying 100,000 years ago the Persian Gulf was a landmass that was flooded over 8,000 years ago, and may explain human migration patterns. [img]http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1531/archmapxlarge.jpg[/img] [editline]10th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=lifehole;26610290]Because we need more space on the earth I'd say, resources etc, who knows what we can get out of space, but we already know what there is here in terms of resources, unless the ocean contains some type of super resource.[/QUOTE] The ocean covers 70% of our blue planet. Look how long the resources we find on the 30% that we occupy last us. Now imagine how long the resources in the ocean floor will last us. There are mountain ranges that dwarf the Himalayas, Canyons that make the Grand Canyon look like a ditch, [i]millions[/i] of unknown life forms, It is the biggest ecosystem on this planet. We have yet to even begin to probe it. More people have been on the moon that to the deepest part of the ocean (only two men), more rovers have landed on mars than have the bottom of the abyssal plains. We don't know shit about the ocean.

[QUOTE=OvB;26611172][url]http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/12/archeologist-persian-gulf-sites-hint-at-prehistoric-garden-of-eden/1[/url] Better source. This is not a lost continent or Atlantis or anything, it's just saying 100,000 years ago the Persian Gulf was a landmass that was flooded over 8,000 years ago, and may explain human migration patterns. [img_thumb]http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1531/archmapxlarge.jpg[/img_thumb] [editline]10th December 2010[/editline] The ocean covers 70% of our blue planet. Look how long the resources we find on the 30% that we occupy last us. Now imagine how long the resources in the ocean floor will last us. There are mountain ranges that dwarf the Himalayas, Canyons that make the Grand Canyon look like a ditch, [i]millions[/i] of unknown life forms, It is the biggest ecosystem on this planet. We have yet to even begin to probe it. More people have been on the moon that to the deepest part of the ocean (only two men), more rovers have landed on mars than have the bottom of the abyssal plains. We don't know shit about the ocean.[/QUOTE] Thanks, added map to OP.

the ocean is cool until it swallows one of your sandals or a landmass

I got my hopes up for Atlantis then frowned.

I don't know why you guys got your hope up, if you read the article you would have understood it was mostly referring to human exit from africa. However, you should still be excited. Honestly it strikes me as odd that so many people(including many scientists) seemingly don't consider/remember the fact that coastlines have changed dramatically over time. Many settlements and otherwise important archaeological findings have been drowned out by water. Just in the last ice age the water level was low enough that the Mediterranean sea was split into to bodies of water. Think of how much land that it has since swallowed up that prehistoric man might have settled on. It gives me jitters to think of the amazing finds to be found in the ocean that relate to human history.

[QUOTE=Pandamobile;26610309]Oil is the blood of a dead civilization :v:[/QUOTE] And the fuel of a new one.

[QUOTE=TheBrokenHobo;26609843]Thins like this always make me wonder, why are we trying so hard to go farther and farther into space when we barely know anything about our own oceans? There's probably an amazing amount of thing in the oceans just waiting to be discovered.[/QUOTE] And people criticized NASA when they announced they were going to start doing oceans.

The ocean is still a continual source of wonder. Only around 10% of the ocean has been explored. It is estimated that there may be as many as 25 million species yet to be classified in the ocean. That is around 12 times as many that we have classified currently. Amazing stuff.

At first, I was thinking of something like Classical Civilization like Babylon or Carthage, but after reading this article, it's more caveman ancient.

[QUOTE=darkedone02;26617725]At first, I was thinking of something like Classical Civilization like Babylon or Carthage, but after reading this article, it's more caveman ancient.[/QUOTE] Yeah, to say "lost civilization" is sort of an exaggeration. Although, because of the fact that the gulf filled in as late as 8000 B.C., there could be some significant human archaeological evidence submerged in the gulf. But not a "lost civilization".

Just in case, best to send in the archaeologists in their submarines.

Nobody else thought "the garden of Eden"? There are several coincidences: 1. It is said that three rivers show the path to the garden, and that two of them are the two big rivers of Mesopotamia, and that the third has never been found (submerged, maybe?). 2. After man left the place it disappeared (again, submerged). 3. It might have been even more fertile than the rest of the fertile crescent, which would explain why it was called paradise in the stories. And before you rate me dumb, I'm not saying this proves the bible or anything, just that there might have been truth in the first of its story somewhat (I'm gonna go ahead and assume that there were no talking snakes there), just like how some historians believe a relatively large flood in Mesopotamia inspired the Ark story.

Facepunch expedition anyone?

This might explain why so many religions and ancient civilizations have similar flood stories.

this is impossible how would an ancient civilization be able to facilitate living underwater

[QUOTE=Mingebox;26618569]This might explain why so many religions and ancient civilizations have similar flood stories.[/QUOTE] This "flooding" took thousands of years. People wouldn't have noticed it.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;26609684]Atlantis? I find it amazing that our planet can take a landmass and completely submerge it, then make it seem like it never existed.[/QUOTE] Atlantis actually never existed, it was a theoretical city created by plato for his stundent Aristotele

[QUOTE=OvB;26611172] The ocean covers 70% of our blue planet. Look how long the resources we find on the 30% that we occupy last us. Now imagine how long the resources in the ocean floor will last us. There are mountain ranges that dwarf the Himalayas, Canyons that make the Grand Canyon look like a ditch, [i]millions[/i] of unknown life forms, It is the biggest ecosystem on this planet. We have yet to even begin to probe it. More people have been on the moon that to the deepest part of the ocean (only two men), more rovers have landed on mars than have the bottom of the abyssal plains. We don't know shit about the ocean.[/QUOTE] It's funny how Earth is an OCEAN PLANET and yet we know more about other planets than our oceans.

[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;26619756]ask baba vanga[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.udine20.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/baba-vanga.jpg[/img] Always gets me

I think we should explore our planet before exploring space.

Lets send Marineanaughts down there.