Danmark delivers, professor at health institure wants to ban smoking for everyone born after 2000. - Polidicks

Source in Swedish, [url]http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/utspelet-rokforbud-for-fodda-efter-ar-2000/[/url] [quote] There should be a total ban. Even when the 2018 gets 18 years. Thereafter, the age limit on who may smoke rise, so no one under 25 can smoke in 2025, he says to Politiken. According to Knud Juel'm a full 18 percent of Denmark's 15 years old smoke, something he does not believe is because adults are buying the cigarettes. He believes that young people manage to buy themselves. You make the rules about things that are far less dangerous than smoking. If you find something carcinogenic in a shampoo we prohibits it and take it down from the shelf. But smoking, which costs ten years of life, we allow. It is illogical, he says to Politiken. [/quote]

Hopefully Fredmark follows suite

Banning cigarettes to 2000+ won't stop them from getting cigarettes. They could just ask someone to give them a cig, or steal from their parents'. It won't matter in the end.

because bans work and the black market doesn't exist. better yet they could just go get one from a friend or family member and even strangers.

Prohibition of such a massively available product wont work.

I disagree with prohibition of anything, but it shouldn't be glorified and perhaps not advertised as rigorously as it is. Let people make their own decisions, no matter how wrong they may seem. [QUOTE=Chinook249;46337059]Nice avatar.[/QUOTE] Yeah I understand the irony

Honestly, as bas as smoking migh be for ones health. I don't think you should refrain people from the right to smoke. However, smoking near non-smokers is something that should be looked at. I think smoking in public places is banned allready?

I don't live in Denmark, and I shouldn't really have a say in this, but I really fucking hate it when governments take a lot of money and countless man-hours telling us that something is bad and then go and ban it because they can't get 100% of the population to agree and stop using it. People know that smoking is bad. They just don't care. We're all going to die anyway. What's the big deal if someone goes out and has a cig or two or fifty. As long as they aren't inside or blowing it in people's faces, they should be allowed to smoke. Basic human rights are violated when people tell me that I [I]have[/I] to do what is good for my health or else. Since Denmark has Universal Healthcare, people who smoke should not be eligible for free health care pertaining to smoking-related illnesses. That's it.

[QUOTE=Complifused;46336313]Hopefully Fredmark follows suite[/QUOTE] Tedmark as well. I went there once, really nice place but this dick was smoking on the bus! Really awkward.

If they were serious, they would just ban cigarette sales altogether. No fuss with ID checking or folks trying to skirt arbitrary laws or changing posters in shops every year because the magic number changed. Just no more smokes, and be done with it. If there is enough of a public outcry to prevent doing it, then now is not the time to do it. Simpler solutions are better, imo.

Hasn't it been shown multiple times that prohibition doesn't work? Especially since people already grow their own tobacco plants. And isn't it up to people what to put in their bodies?

People can kill themselves on tobacco if they want. Freedom of choice and all that. Banning things just creates a black market and generates revenue for criminals.

What are they going to do about nicotine gum/patches and vaporizers?

[QUOTE=download;46336635]People can kill themselves on tobacco if they want. Freedom of choice and all that. Banning things just creates a black market and generates revenue for criminals.[/QUOTE] In a socialized healthcare system, I wouldn't want to pay for the expensive lung cancer meds and procedures of someone who made the choice to smoke.

this has already been voiced multiple times but it deserves to be voiced again My body is [B]MY[/B] body. What I decide to put into it is [b]MY[/b] choice, not the governments. If the person committing the crime is the same person as the victim of the crime, then there is no crime.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;46336672]In a socialized healthcare system, I wouldn't want to pay for the expensive lung cancer meds and procedures of someone who made the choice to smoke.[/QUOTE] But there are a lot of other illnesses that are results of bad choices. Would you want to not pay for the treatment of these as well?

Smoking shouldn't be banned entirely. I think the current formula we got is just right, where you're only allowed to smoke in certain areas. That way you won't bother and/or harm people.

As time goes on less and less people will smoke. Let it be society's choice instead of making a black market that could fund crime.

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;46336672]In a socialized healthcare system, I wouldn't want to pay for the expensive lung cancer meds and procedures of someone who made the choice to smoke.[/QUOTE] Socialized healthcare means you treat everyone on equal terms. What would the next step be on this arbitrary list; not treating criminals shot by police, perhaps?

[QUOTE=de;46336675]this has already been voiced multiple times but it deserves to be voiced again My body is [B]MY[/B] body. What I decide to put into it is [b]MY[/b] choice, not the governments. If the person committing the crime is the same person as the victim of the crime, then there is no crime.[/QUOTE] This is all very well and good, except if you live in a country where we have to pay to fix your body.

Great idea, paves the way for buttlegging so we can get cigarettes from China 10 times cheaper

[QUOTE=gary spivey;46336772]Great idea, paves the way for buttlegging so we can get cigarettes from China 10 times cheaper[/QUOTE] Buttlegging? Is it illegal good made of butts?

[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;46336672]In a socialized healthcare system, I wouldn't want to pay for the expensive lung cancer meds and procedures of someone who made the choice to smoke.[/QUOTE] Then tax them at a rate that recovers the medical costs.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;46336806]Buttlegging? Is it illegal good made of butts?[/QUOTE] no, it's illegal goods that you can only buy with buttcoin

[QUOTE=David29;46336753]This is all very well and good, except if you live in a country where we have to pay to fix your body.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that your body is no longer your body once you implement socialized medicine? You're saying that my body now belongs to the government and they get to make the choices for me because they pay for my healthcare? How could anyone be against that?!?!?!?!?

[QUOTE=download;46336811]Then tax them at a rate that recovers the medical costs.[/QUOTE] Smokers moan about that as well usually.

[QUOTE=Jojje;46336474]I disagree with prohibition of anything, but it shouldn't be glorified and perhaps not advertised as rigorously as it is. Let people make their own decisions, no matter how wrong they may seem.[/QUOTE] On one hand I agree with the idea that people can do what they want with their bodies but on the other hand why are people/companies allowed to [I]sell[/I] cigarettes? In a world with so many food, safety, etc. regulations it's weird that you're still allowed to sell such super nasty addictive carcinogens.

Smokers work out cheaper for the government anyway, smokers don't need pensions.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46336947]Too fucking bad. You're doing something inherently bad for you, that's GOING to cause health issues at a higher rate than non smokers, you SHOULD pay your fair share. The same should be said with booze too. Cant afford it? Too bad, guess it's time to quit.[/QUOTE] It's not like your giving them a choice about the healthcare. It's an interesting problem. We want people to be free to make choices, but we don't allow people to take the full consequences of their actions.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46336865]So you're saying that your body is no longer your body once you implement socialized medicine? You're saying that my body now belongs to the government and they get to make the choices for me because they pay for my healthcare? How could anyone be against that?!?!?!?!?[/QUOTE] Being american, your focus on government is understandable (and I don't mean that as an insult). But when we talk social healthcare in Scandinavia, we usually talk in terms of us, the people, since we collectively pay for our healthcare. So what we have here is a situation in which, since we the people pay the bill, we are arguing that we the people should also have a say in how care is distributed. Since we live in societies where knowledge regarding, say, risks involving smoking is high, we then put higher responsibility on individuals to care for their bodies. That's why when you say "my body, my choice" a dane or swede might raise an eyebrow since we're well aware of who will be paying your bill when your lungs turn to shit.