Pentecostal Preachers are Pressuring People, Successfully, to Stop Taking HIV Meds
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[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729684[/URL]
[QUOTE][B]Some young HIV patients are giving up their medicine after being told by Pentecostal Church pastors to rely on faith in God instead, doctors warn.[/B]
Medical staff told the BBC a minority of pastors in England were endangering young church members by putting them under pressure to stop medication.
Healing is central to Pentecostalism, a radical belief in the power of prayer and miracles.
But one pastor denied people would ever be told to stop taking their medicine.
The Children's HIV Association surveyed 19 doctors and health professionals working with babies and children in England; its members had reported hearing anecdotal evidence of HIV patients deciding to stop taking their anti-
retroviral drugs because their pastors had told them to do so.
Among 10 doctors who said they had encountered the problem in the last five years, 29 of their patients had reported being put under pressure to stop taking medicine and at least 11 had done so.
The doctors and health professionals reported a variety of cases:
Some said they had dealt with parents who felt under pressure to stop giving their young children their HIV medicine - and some had actually done so
Others were breastfeeding mothers with HIV who refused the medicine that would stop the virus being passed onto their babies
Some were young people, making the decision for themselves
The healthcare workers also reported that some patients had been told by their pastors they would be healed by prayer or by drinking blessed water.
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...what the hell is pentecostalism?
And cue the all religious people are crazy posts, even though if this was commonplace it wouldn't make the news. This is just disgusting
If you want to kill yourself over faith I can't stop you but fuck those dumbass mothers who refused to give their babies medicine.
[editline]17th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41876207]And cue the all religious people are crazy posts, even though if this was commonplace it wouldn't make the news.[/QUOTE]
So things have to be common to be caused by religion?
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41876207]if this was commonplace it wouldn't make the news.[/QUOTE]
what's the point of saying this
if pooping on the sidewalk were commonplace it wouldn't make the news either, but it isn't so a cult that poops on the sidewalk would probably make the news
pretty much everything that isn't commonplace makes the news. that's what the news is, things happening.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41876207]...what the hell is pentecostalism? [/QUOTE]
radical protestantism
I don't know if as a whole it's any more crazy than other forms of protestantism but of the Christians I know the ones that seem to most take the bible literally and hold the firmest beliefs in the supernatural have been pentecostal
As a Christian, I find this stupid.
Annnd this is why I hate religion. Sure its good and all at times, but most cases, we get cases like this. Why tell people to stop using something good in exchange for 'god's blessings'?
Ugh, at least the more common Protestants (which I sortof am) and Catholics have common sense when it comes to things like this, but those Pentecostals sounds bonkers!
Okay, what? Seriously, like, there are some things that are stupid, but this just HAS to be intentionally harmful, the preachers must just be sadists at this point.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;41876207]And cue the all religious people are crazy posts, even though if this was commonplace it wouldn't make the news.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Neo222;41876521]Annnd this is why I hate religion. Sure its good and all at times, but most cases, we get cases like this. Why tell people to stop using something good in exchange for 'god's blessings'?[/QUOTE]
If you seriously believe that all religious people are idiots purely because of one isolated incident, I think [I]you're[/I] the backwards one here.
I'm Catholic myself, yet I still think that this is pants-on-head retarded. Advanced medicine that save lives should be used, not disregarded.
you have to be pretty stupid to belive that.
how hard is it to consider, that if faith healing worked we wouldnt have medicine would we?
but it doesnt.
so we do.
Meds are radical, this is sadical.
[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;41876601]If you seriously believe that all religious people are idiots purely because of one isolated incident, I think [i]you're[/i] the backwards one here.[/QUOTE]
And quick to jump at others. Look, its obvious that not all are at fault here; there are good people who are religious and want to help people, and I know a few. Its just that, when you get things like this, it sort of stands out above everything else. Especially when these people are successfully telling people to stop using these things in the name of god...it leaves a bad image on a good thing.
[QUOTE=Neo222;41876631]And quick to jump at others. Look, its obvious that not all are at fault here; there are good people who are religious and want to help people, and I know a few. Its just that, when you get things like this, it sort of stands out above everything else. Especially when these people are successfully telling people to stop using these things in the name of god...it leaves a bad image on a good thing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's the main problem. People who are completely insane - like this case - always get the headlines, which puts completely normal religious people in a negative light. Sorry that I'm a bit jumpy, these sort of bizarre stories just piss me off to no end.
It's shit like this that makes me hope their religion is correct so they'll burn for eternity.
Oh wait, they'll go to heaven meanwhile I'll go to hell simply because I said "I don't know if it's right".
It's twits like this that give us normal Protestants a bad rap.
[editline]17th August 2013[/editline]
I mean shit my church is helping pay for HIV meds for folks.
[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;41876657]Yeah, that's the main problem. People who are completely insane - like this case - always get the headlines, which puts completely normal religious people in a negative light. Sorry that I'm a bit jumpy, these sort of bizarre stories just piss me off to no end.[/QUOTE]
Its okay, as I was a bit upset as well over this. I enjoy religion as something to give hope and to stop bloodshed and all, and religion does offer good ideas and morals. Its just that I don't enjoy it when religion gets into the mode where it gets up in everyone's business like this because of people who think that whatever they think is the right thing in god's eyes, much like how there are religious people condemning gays and advances in medical science. As you said, its usually the insane religious people that casts things in a negative light, and sadly these insane people would give spawn to more, if people believe the stuff that is said. Its a problem that needs to be stopped, somehow.
[quote=Article]Some said they had dealt with parents who felt under pressure to stop giving their young children their HIV medicine - and some had actually done so[/quote]
I'm honestly literally fucking sickened by this. Those children should be removed and if possible given to any sane relative that could care for them. Hell, even foster care, the worst foster care homes in country still aren't the death sentences that living with such unfit and mentally incapable parents would be.
You could have made an alliteration in the title. Sellout.
Save the kids, make sure they get use their HIV meds, let the parents who are so dumb, end up suffering the disease. Watch as their "faith healing" end up being a haunted morgue.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41876458]radical protestantism
I don't know if as a whole it's any more crazy than other forms of protestantism[/QUOTE]
They do all that snake stuff and are apparently against medicine. They're pretty crazy.
Didn't God himself say he helps those who help themselves? I was under the impression that "medicine" (or vaccines specifically) fell under the description of "helping themselves."
Sheesh, you'd think religion and medicine would be buddy buddy with one another.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;41878277]Didn't God himself say he helps those who help themselves? I was under the impression that "medicine" (or vaccines specifically) fell under the description of "helping themselves."
Sheesh, you'd think religion and medicine would be buddy buddy with one another.[/QUOTE]
They are, most religious people are not like this
this kind of shit should be illegal under law
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;41878277]Didn't God himself say he helps those who help themselves? I was under the impression that "medicine" (or vaccines specifically) fell under the description of "helping themselves."
Sheesh, you'd think religion and medicine would be buddy buddy with one another.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few passages in the Bible where Jesus outright says "pray for it and you'll get it". Matthew 21:18-22 or Mark 11:22-25, for example.
Whenever something like this comes along I like to imagine that they're doing this because they never learned that there are drugs (like dangerous weed needles) and drugs (like medicine for HIV, headaches, liquid poop) and they're just confused as hell
Jail the preachers.
They're actively trying to kill people, lock them in a cell and be done with it, fuck freedom of religion.
"As a Christian, I..."
why the fuck should it matter what faith, if at all, you are? stopping taking HIV medication is assbackwards in every situation
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41876668]It's shit like this that makes me hope their religion is correct so they'll burn for eternity.
Oh wait, they'll go to heaven meanwhile I'll go to hell simply because I said "I don't know if it's right".[/QUOTE]
actually i think you'd go to Hell for being vindictive enough to believe in the concept in the first place
and you know that whole thing about killing babies probably doesn't help your chances much
[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;41876842]You could have made an alliteration in the title. Sellout.[/QUOTE]
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