Israel creates giant detention facility for illegal Muslim and Christians; is letting them stay.
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[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-says-it-wont-forcibly-deport-illegal-african-migrants-but-it-wants-them-to-leave/2013/12/20/1c81d8be-5cf2-11e3-8d24-31c016b976b2_story.html[/url]
[QUOTE]KTSIOT, Israel — In the empty desert, workers are building an answer to a difficult question: What should Israel, a nation built by Jewish refugees, do about the 55,000 African migrants who entered this country illegally, fleeing famine, bondage and war?
The newly constructed “open facility” is designed to hold up to 3,300 illegal immigrants. It is not a prison, but not exactly a shelter, either. Residents will be required to answer roll call three times a day. They are not allowed to seek work. The facility is surrounded by a fence topped with spools of razor wire, and the migrants will be locked down at night.
As a Jewish state, the country welcomes Jews from around the globe who would like to move here, providing generous subsidies and language training to ease their way. Israel absorbed tens of thousands of Jews from Ethiopia over the past three decades, spending billions to integrate people who had been living an agrarian lifestyle into this fast-paced, high-tech society.
But the Africans who have poured into Israel in recent years are Muslim and Christian. They arrived in a land already engulfed in a struggle between two peoples, Arabs and Jews.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps East Africans should consider temporary conversions to the Jewish faith. Its interesting how they're concentrating all of the immigrants together in camps.
I don't know how you can propose voluntary religious conversion as a tactic here.
Wait, what does Israel have against Christians?
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43257936]Wait, what does Israel have against Christians?[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Abrahamic religions.
Still not acting like nazis!
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;43257920]I don't know how you can propose voluntary religious conversion as a tactic here.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't Islam actually have an exception where you won't be punished for fake conversion to avoid prosecution? :v:
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I think Gerald Scarfe's caricature of Netanyahu is constantly apt.
okay that's just too much
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43257846][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-says-it-wont-forcibly-deport-illegal-african-migrants-but-it-wants-them-to-leave/2013/12/20/1c81d8be-5cf2-11e3-8d24-31c016b976b2_story.html[/url]
Perhaps East Africans should consider temporary conversions to the Jewish faith. Its interesting how they're concentrating all of the immigrants together in camps.[/QUOTE]
Your word choice of 'concentration' there can't just be coincidential...
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43257936]Wait, what does Israel have against Christians?[/QUOTE]
Nothing, but Israel is simply put, overpopulating. If you were to compare the size and population of the country to say, Illinois, you'd be pretty impressed they've been holding up on their own as is. This is meant to be a clear message to all attempted illegals; do not enter our country.
Nazis = Took legal residents of the country and made them work against their will, feeding them rarely enough to have many starve to death and kept conditions unsanitary enough for many to die by disease.
Israel = Took illegal residents of the country who were by statistic, causing high amounts of crime, offered them a chance to leave, and if they refused, let them serve in somewhere that they could be provided with food, clean water, and other goods that they may not of had in their original home.
While Israel has done some questionable stuff, you really can't make the comparison in this case. They don't exactly have too many options.
[QUOTE=Monkah;43258190]Nothing, but Israel is simply put, overpopulating.[/QUOTE]
Israel's population density isn't really that high compared to alot of other countries.
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;43257936]Wait, what does Israel have against Christians?[/QUOTE]
Christians aren't Jewish that's what.
Abrahamic religions always been conflicting each other. Also the Israel government are run by assholes.
[QUOTE=Monkah;43258190]Nothing, but Israel is simply put, overpopulating. If you were to compare the size and population of the country to say, Illinois, you'd be pretty impressed they've been holding up on their own as is. This is meant to be a clear message to all attempted illegals; do not enter our country.[/QUOTE]
"Overpopulating"
Though that's not the case, but when it does I wonder if it has to do with the racist and discriminatory law that automatically grants citizenship to Jews. No matter where you're from or how unrelated you are to Israel, "being a Jew" results in automatic citizenship. Even if you were a Palestinian that was driven out of his home in Israel despite having ancestry dating back decades before Israel even existed, if you're a Jew, no right of return. Jews only.
Further, I wonder if the "overpopulation problem" has to do with Israel subsidizing illegal settlements intended for foreign Jews (you don't get the subsidies if you aren't Jewish). Israel purposely tries to overpopulate their settlements because Israel simply doesn't believe their settlements and land-stealing is in contravention of international law, but they know reality doesn't give a shit about what they believe. By bringing in mass quantities of Jews only into the settlements, Israel is trying make a potential Palestinian state nonexistent or at least a minimal fraction of what it should be. When they would have to withdraw the settlements in the Palestinian West Bank, they will say "We can't. It's too overpopulated, and there's also universities and other institutions there."
[quote]Nazis = Took legal residents of the country and made them work against their will, feeding them rarely enough to have many starve to death and kept conditions unsanitary enough for many to die by disease.
Israel =Took illegal residents of the country[B] who were by statistic, causing high amounts of crime,[/B] offered them a chance to leave, and if they refused, let them serve in somewhere that they could be provided with food, clean water, and other goods that they may not of had in their original home.[/quote]
This is bullshit by the way.
The law isn't also intended at just illegals as you imply, it also affects a significant amount of asylum seekers. But hey, at least they're not Nazi Germany, right?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43258217]Israel's population density isn't really that high compared to alot of other countries.[/QUOTE]
Comparably however there is less arable land and much less water resources than similarly sized areas say for instance New Jersey which is roughly the same size and population.
[QUOTE=Gatsby;43258286]Also the Israel government are run by assholes.[/QUOTE]
Its a shame that people use Israels conservative government to represent all Jews.
[QUOTE=Monkah;43258190]
Nazis[/QUOTE]
Israel has a high birth rate and is expanding into its neighbors for living space while also enforcing race/religion based policies. I'm pushing it a bit far with the comparison.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;43258300]"Overpopulating"
This is bullshit by the way.
The law isn't also intended at just illegals as you imply, it also affects a significant amount of asylum seekers. But hey, at least they're not Nazi Germany, right?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-police-unemployed-african-refugees-turning-tel-aviv-beaches-into-high-crime-spots-1.427634[/url]
[url]http://forward.com/articles/156804/israeli-anger-over-african-crime-wave/?p=all[/url]
And just incase Israeli news sources aren't enough for you...
[url]http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/31/18660834-israel-grapples-with-wave-of-north-african-migrants[/url]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;43257920]I don't know how you can propose voluntary religious conversion as a tactic here.[/QUOTE]
wait the jews are forcing religious conversion?
sounds familiar....
hmmm
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oh yeah thats right
This is an excellent example of history repeating itself.
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
except in reverse
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and before anyone says it yes this is a valid comparison because it mirrors the whole "convert or leave" thing spain had going on
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43258362]wait the jews are forcing religious conversion?
sounds familiar....
hmmm
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oh yeah thats right
This is an excellent example of history repeating itself.
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
except in reverse
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and before anyone says it yes this is a valid comparison because it mirrors the whole "convert or leave" thing spain had going on[/QUOTE]
It didnt say that anywhere in the article, the OP just suggested that as an option in his post?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43257846]Perhaps East Africans should consider temporary conversions to the Jewish faith. Its interesting how they're concentrating all of the immigrants together in camps.[/QUOTE]
Judaism is a hereditary religion. Conversion would only be recognized as valid by people that probably don't have any say in what happens to these people.
That's a major reason why jews couldn't escape the holocaust by converting to Catholicism.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;43258383]It didnt say that anywhere in the article, the OP just suggested that as an option in his post?[/QUOTE]
if you think about it though there immigration policy is
if jewish then legal
else deport/intern.
If they want asylum they have to convert basically.
[QUOTE=Monkah;43258190][url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-police-unemployed-african-refugees-turning-tel-aviv-beaches-into-high-crime-spots-1.427634[/url]
[url]http://forward.com/articles/156804/israeli-anger-over-african-crime-wave/?p=all[/url]
And just incase Israeli news sources aren't enough for you...
[url]http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/31/18660834-israel-grapples-with-wave-of-north-african-migrants[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote]Took illegal residents of the country who were by statistic, causing high amounts of crime,[/quote]
I thought you mean that they selectively chose individual migrants who caused prior crime before detaining them. OK so worse, they're choosing to detain the race that is "statistically prone to crime" (the articles just mention African rising crime, not that Africans are "statistically prone to crimes") What difference does that make to anything I said above? Israel is detaining in en masse aslyum seekers whilst simultaneously stripping of their human rights. Why is this a good thing other than the fact it's better than Nazi Germany?
The difference between the accepted African asylum seeker and the rejected one? The accepted one was Jewish; that is a fact in every single instance.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;43258422]I thought you mean that they selectively chose individual migrants who caused prior crime before detaining them. OK so worse, they're choosing to detain the race that is "statistically prone to crime" (the articles just mention African rising crime, not that Africans are "statistically prone to crimes") What difference does that make to anything I said above? Israel is detaining in en masse aslyum seekers whilst simultaneously stripping of their human rights. Why is this a good thing other than the fact it's better than Nazi Germany?
The difference between the accepted African asylum seeker and the rejected one? The accepted one was Jewish; that is a fact in every single instance.[/QUOTE]
They get food, they get clean water, it was their choice to illegally move somewhere that they're not allowed to remain and they probably knew the consequences upon doing so. They aren't being kept there forcibly, they were given the option to be taken back to their country of orgin. Anyone who remains there refused to go back to their home country.
Is Israel trying to do the whole holocaust 2.0 thing again
[QUOTE=Monkah;43258456]They get food, they get clean water, it was their choice to illegally move somewhere that they're not allowed to remain and they probably knew the consequences upon doing so. They aren't being kept there forcibly, they were given the option to be taken back to their country of orgin. Anyone who remains there refused to go back to their home country.[/QUOTE]
lol these are fucking refugees they had no other place to go other then across the border?
Would you like them to die in the desert?
Israel may be giving them food and clean water but they're still stripping them of their rights.
Sending refugees back to their country is a death sentence. Hell the refugee's didn't even want to stay, they wanted Israel to turn them over to a refugee agency.
[QUOTE=Monkah;43258456]They get food, they get clean water, it was their choice to illegally move somewhere that they're not allowed to remain and they probably knew the consequences upon doing so. They aren't being kept there forcibly, they were given the option to be taken back to their country of orgin. Anyone who remains there refused to go back to their home country.[/QUOTE]
Oh so all the Africans had to do was return to their war-torn, marginally-habitable dysfunctional country? Damn, why didn't they think of that?
Israel has an international obligation to accept refugees, it's not just 'illegals'. The fact you're ignoring here is that Israel is not rejecting them because of 'overpopulation' but because Israel fears it would affect the status quo of the precious Jewish State. If not, then accepting refugees wouldn't be a matter of whether you're a 'Jew' or not.
[QUOTE=katbug;43258472]Is Israel trying to do the whole holocaust 2.0 thing again[/QUOTE]
Yeah man, because Israel is totally systematically killing millions of people.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43258477]lol these are fucking refugees they had no other place to go other then across the border?
Would you like them to die in the desert?
Israel may be giving them food and clean water but they're still stripping them of their rights.
Sending refugees back to their country is a death sentence. Hell the refugee's didn't even want to stay, they wanted Israel to turn them over to a refugee agency.[/QUOTE]
No, as in the option to be transported via airplane. Also, where exactly did you read that last part from?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43258500]Yeah man, because Israel is totally systematically killing millions of people.[/QUOTE]
they might as well be at this point.
Sending refugees back to their war torn country is pretty much a death sentence.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43258508]they might as well be at this point.
Sending refugees back to their war torn country is pretty much a death sentence.[/QUOTE]
Explain again how deporting refugees is the exact same as genocide? I mean, it's not the best thing to do, but it's not the same thing as what the Nazis did.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43258500]Yeah man, because Israel is totally systematically killing millions of people.[/QUOTE]
The Nazi's didn't start by outright killing people.
They made ghettos, forced citizens to let soldiers stay with them, and displaced and dehumanized people first.
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