• Spain requests warrant for alleged Nazi war criminal
    69 replies, posted
[QUOTE]Madrid, Spain (CNN) -- A Spanish court is requesting an arrest warrant for alleged Nazi war criminal John Demjanjuk. In a ruling dated January 7 but released Friday, Spanish Judge Ismael Moreno Chamarro said Demjanjuk is accused of being "an accomplice to the crimes of genocide and crimes against humanity." The indictment said more than 150 Spaniards were imprisoned at the Flossenburg concentration camp, where Demjanjuk allegedly was a guard. Sixty of them died, according to evidence cited in the judge's ruling. The ruling orders that a European arrest warrant be issued for Demjanjuk, who is currently on trial in Germany on charges of being an accessory to thousands of murders during World War II. He was extradited there from the United States in 2009. Demjanjuk lost a U.S. Supreme Court case against his deportation. His lawyers had asked the high court to consider their claims that he was too ill and frail to be sent overseas. They also raised human rights and other legal issues. In the German trial, his defense attorney there has argued that the court was imposing a "moral and judicial double standard." The retired auto worker from Cleveland, Ohio -- a native Ukrainian -- was a prisoner of war during the conflict, and would have been killed had he not done what the Nazis ordered, the defense team argued in 2009. The Munich state prosecutor brought the charges against Demjanjuk for his alleged role at the Sobibor death camp in Poland, where the Nazis and their accessories killed at least 167,000 people, according to the U.S Holocaust Memorial Museum. Relatives of victims have joined the prosecution's case in Germany. The accusations against Demjanjuk date to the late 1970s, when the U.S. Justice Department accused him of being a Nazi guard known as "Ivan the Terrible." His U.S. citizenship was revoked in 1981, and he was extradited to Israel in 1986. Demjanjuk was convicted in an Israeli court in 1988 and sentenced to death, but that conviction was overturned in 1993 amid evidence that someone else was "Ivan the Terrible." A federal court restored Demjanjuk's citizenship, ruling the government withheld evidence supporting his case. But his citizenship was revoked again in 2002 after a federal judge ruled his 1952 entry into the United States was illegal because he hid his past as a Nazi guard.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/01/15/spain.nazi.warrant/index.html?hpt=Sbin[/url]
Fucking Nazis
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;27431055]Fucking Nazis[/QUOTE] :godwin:
Bend the fuck over a brick and shoot him in his temple. If he truly is what they say, that is.
Hope them krauts don't come and get me...
[QUOTE=Nick Nack;27431138]Bend the fuck over a brick and shoot him in his temple. If he truly is what they say, that is.[/QUOTE] He was a guard. It's not like he could say, 'Well, mein fuhrer, I'm resigning.'
:hitler: [editline]15th January 2011[/editline] If we punish someone who was a guard, why don't we punish the prisoners? They had as much choice as he did.
Stuff like this makes me sick. As bad as Nazi warcrimes were, that gives governments no rights to hunt down elderly people living peaceful lives just because some 65-70 years ago they served Nazi Germany. Get the fuck over it, move the fuck on with your lives, Spain.
The guards at concentration camps were all SS and they were the main cause of the brutality that occurred there. They all deserve to pay for their crimes. Yes, you had a choice to be SS.
Blame the mastermind, not the minions.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27432798]The guards at concentration camps were all SS and they were the main cause of the brutality that occurred there. They all deserve to pay for their crimes. Yes, you had a choice to be SS.[/QUOTE] To give him a death sentence after all these years would be more revenge than justice.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27432798]The guards at concentration camps were all SS and they were the main cause of the brutality that occurred there. They all deserve to pay for their crimes. Yes, you had a choice to be SS.[/QUOTE] Let me tell you why this is bullshit. Upon Hitlers rise to power, he made his primary goal to steal the hearts and minds of the German people, and he accomplished his goal very easily. Once he gained the trust of the German people, he started brainwashing them with his speeches. Using drums alongside his speech, as he would get closer and closer to his main message, the drums would pick up speed and volume, and once hitler got to his main message the drums would be at their climax, which in turn would cause the crowd to go completely wild with his ravings. His speeches were his control of the people, he was a mastermind of manipulation. With Hitlers mad words now burned into the German people minds, they all became part of a new society, one that despised minorities, Jews, Gays, anyone different from Hitlers perfect, Aryan race. And society controls what is right and wrong, your society deems what is acceptable and what isn't. Crimes are frowned upon in our society, which is why we do our best to uphold law. So when your society finds it acceptable to mistreat others, they aren't doing anything wrong by their standards. So really, yes you had a choice to be in the SS, but at the same time you didn't have a choice at being a German Nazi, you were made that way.
Why do people keep going after war criminals from over half a century ago? What good will that do for society today?
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;27432206]Stuff like this makes me sick. As bad as Nazi warcrimes were, that gives governments no rights to hunt down elderly people living peaceful lives just because some 65-70 years ago they served Nazi Germany. Get the fuck over it, move the fuck on with your lives, Spain.[/QUOTE] "Oh no some guy donated a few bucks to Hitler one time LET'S HANG THAT SICK BASTARD"
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27433208]Let me tell you why this is bullshit. Upon Hitlers rise to power, he made his primary goal to steal the hearts and minds of the German people, and he accomplished his goal very easily. Once he gained the trust of the German people, he started brainwashing them with his speeches. Using drums alongside his speech, as he would get closer and closer to his main message, the drums would pick up speed and volume, and once hitler got to his main message the drums would be at their climax, which in turn would cause the crowd to go completely wild with his ravings. His speeches were his control of the people, he was a mastermind of manipulation. With Hitlers mad words now burned into the German people minds, they all became part of a new society, one that despised minorities, Jews, Gays, anyone different from Hitlers perfect, Aryan race. And society controls what is right and wrong, your society deems what is acceptable and what isn't. Crimes are frowned upon in our society, which is why we do our best to uphold law. So when your society finds it acceptable to mistreat others, they aren't doing anything wrong by their standards. So really, yes you had a choice to be in the SS, but at the same time you didn't have a choice at being a German Nazi, you were made that way.[/QUOTE] Not always. In the case of Adolf Eichmann, he participated in the murder of innocent people simply for the pay benefits, I'm sure there where a lot of others who thought the same, and in my opinion such people are worse than those who killed them because they believed in Hitlers ideals.
My grandpa was in the SS so he could feed his children :frown: Edit: Great-grandfather
What the fuck Spain, you can't comment, you wern't even in WW2, infact you were fucking fascists at the time.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27432798]The guards at concentration camps were all SS and they were the main cause of the brutality that occurred there. They all deserve to pay for their crimes. Yes, you had a choice to be SS.[/QUOTE] No, not always. My grandfather was Ukrainian and was forced into the 24th Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS when Ukraine was invaded.
[QUOTE=David29;27433464]No, not always. My grandfather was Ukrainian and was forced into the 24th Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS when Ukraine was invaded.[/QUOTE] The SS was a rather broad organization. You can't tar them all with the holocaust.
My great grandfather was an American soldier executed by the SS, but this is not right. Even if the man in question was the very man who killed my great grandfather, I would say that it would still not be right to put him behind bars. I don't see any point in lingering in the past like this.
[QUOTE=Sir Tristan;27433587]My great grandfather was an American soldier executed by the SS, but this is not right. Even if the man in question was the very man who killed my great grandfather, I would say that it would still not be right to put him behind bars. I don't see any point in lingering in the past like this.[/QUOTE] Some people just don't want to let go, they want to hold on until they fall of the edge of the world with it. And it's a shame what happened to your great grandfather, but that's just how war is fought, you can't necessarily be surprised by the outcome.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27433643]Some people just don't want to let go, they want to hold on until they fall of the edge of the world with it. And it's a shame what happened to your great grandfather, but that's just how war is fought, you can't necessarily be surprised by the outcome.[/QUOTE] In addition, such crimes were committed by american soldiers too, who were never punished for those crimes. But as you say, that's just how war is fought, and in war, the victors opposition are always the 'war criminals'
[QUOTE=Sir Tristan;27433587]My great grandfather was an American soldier executed by the SS, but this is not right. Even if the man in question was the very man who killed my great grandfather, I would say that it would still not be right to put him behind bars. I don't see any point in lingering in the past like this.[/QUOTE] I don't think this is not right, I feel these men deserve it, however I feel this is really just a waste of time, it's been seventy years now, it's time to let it go. But then again, the person mentioned in the article was just a guard, I really don't see why they're chasing him unless he had something to do with the murders somewhere along the way.
[QUOTE=Sir Tristan;27433689]In addition, such crimes were committed by american soldiers too, who were never punished for those crimes. But as you say, that's just how war is fought, and in war, the victors opposition are always the 'war criminals'[/QUOTE] Agreed, I find calling the losing sides soldiers "War Criminals" a sick joke. A real war criminal is anyone who abuses human rights to a sickening level. Instead of punishing grunts, make the leaders accountable for their actions.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27433893]Agreed, I find calling the losing sides soldiers "War Criminals" a sick joke. A real war criminal is anyone who abuses human rights to a sickening level. Instead of punishing grunts, make the leaders accountable for their actions.[/QUOTE] To be fair the leaders where made accountable for their actions.
"spain requests warrant for alleged Nazi War Criminal" "World asks Spain to move the fuck on and get a hobby besides chasing down senior citizens."
I don't see anything wrong with fascism if it was run by a benevolent dictator. Also the third Reich was cooler then the neo-nazis today.
Good lord, let the old man live in peace. This isn't even being politically correct anymore, it's just vengeance/harassment.
[QUOTE=PEn1s lol;27442883]I don't see anything wrong with fascism if it was run by a benevolent dictator. Also the third Reich was cooler then the neo-nazis today.[/QUOTE] Oh god what? Hitler was only populist to those he likes. If you mean Franco, he was a total ass as well.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27432798]The guards at concentration camps were all SS and they were the main cause of the brutality that occurred there. They all deserve to pay for their crimes. Yes, you had a choice to be SS.[/QUOTE] The war has been over for 66 years. This guy is probably very close to dying anyways, let bygones be bygones, you can't mercilessly hunt down people who may or may not have committed warcrimes during a war that is already over and concluded. [editline]16th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;27433893]Agreed, I find calling the losing sides soldiers "War Criminals" a sick joke. A real war criminal is anyone who abuses human rights to a sickening level. Instead of punishing grunts, make the leaders accountable for their actions.[/QUOTE] Agreed, on that note plenty of allied soldiers were forced to commit warcrimes under circumstances, or they did them just out of spite or anger. It wouldn't be right for the German government to try and exact reparations for wrongfully executed POWs. What happens in war stays in war. Take your time to exact vengeance or justice [I]during the actual war,[/I] or during the final conclusions. Don't drag it out for half a century.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.