• Trump vows to fight 'epidemic' of human trafficking
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[quote]President Donald Trump says he will bring the "full force and weight" of the U.S. government to combat an "epidemic" of human trafficking. The president is meeting at the White House with senior advisers and representatives of organizations that deal with trafficking. His daughter, Ivanka Trump, is among those in attendance.[/quote] [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-vows-fight-epidemic-human-trafficking-45692628[/url] Link and quote to White House post on this. [quote]THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, everybody, very nice. Nice to see you. Well, I want to thank Dina and Ivanka and everybody for working so hard to set this up. It's been so important to them, and I want to make it clear today that my administration will focus on ending the absolutely horrific practice of human trafficking. And I am prepared to bring the full force and weight of our government to the federal and at the federal level, and the other highest levels, whatever we can do, in order to solve this horrific problem. It's getting worse and it's happening in the United States in addition to the rest of the world, but it's happening in the United States, which is terrible. Human trafficking is a dire problem, both domestically and internationally, and is one that's made really a challenge. And it's really made possible to a large extent, more of a modern phenomenon, by what's taking place on the Internet, as you probably know. Solving the human trafficking epidemic, which is what it is, is a priority for my administration. We're going to help out a lot. "Solve" is a wonderful word, a beautiful word, but I can tell you, we're going to help a lot. I'll direct the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies that have a role in preventing human trafficking to take a hard look at the resources and personnel that they're currently devoting to this fight. Now, they are devoting a lot, but we're going to be devoting more. Dedicated men and women across the federal government have focused on this for some time, as you know. A lot of you have been dealing with the federal government and it's been much more focused over the last four weeks -- I can tell you that. I cannot thank each of you enough, and the dedicated men and women who run my staff and your staffs in getting everybody together was terrific. I was so glad I was able to be here. You start with really a tremendous amount of energy and blood, sweat and tears. Government can be helpful, but without you, nothing would happen. So, again, I want to thank everybody in this room. It's a very, very terrible problem. It's not talked about enough. People don't know enough about it. And we're going to talk about it, and we're going to bring it out into the open and hopefully we're going to do a great deal to help prevent some of the horrific -- really horrific -- crimes that are taking place. And I can see -- I really can say, in this country, people don't realize how bad it is in this country, but in this country and all over the world. So thank you all for being here. Thank you very much.[/quote] [url]https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/23/remarks-president-trump-listening-session-domestic-and-international[/url]
nothing wrong with this really but its just sort of random, no? Or has something happened recently?
So does he actually have a plan or is it going to be another one of his "oh yeah I'll tell my people to solve it and we'll totally solve it"
I'd congratulate Trump on this if a single one of his 'cures' hadn't been worse than the sickness it sought to treat.
Making it harder to legally enter the country is probably a good way of indirectly increasing demand for human trafficking, just saying.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;51868037]Making it harder to legally enter the country is probably a good way of indirectly increasing demand for human trafficking, just saying.[/QUOTE] For sake of education can you explain what you mean by this, like the scenario(s) you have in mind
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;51868090]For sake of education can you explain what you mean by this, like the scenario(s) you have in mind[/QUOTE] think those smugglers in north africa and turkey who people pay lots of money to bring them to europe,
For some reason I was thinking trafficking meant prostitution my b Edit: I know I meant I made a mistake and thought of it exclusively as prostitution
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;51868263]For some reason I was thinking trafficking meant prostitution my b[/QUOTE] it also does but hes invoked it quite frequently in talking about illegal aliens instead of sex slavery
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;51868263]For some reason I was thinking trafficking meant prostitution my b[/QUOTE] They are not mutually exclusive
I'll surely trust the promises and vows of a man who didn't pay those who did services for him and went through 3 marriages.
If you want to cut down on human trafficking, abandon your hardline immigration policy, stop this stupid fuckin' wall, and don't crash Mexico's economy with ridiculous tariffs and reduced foreign aid spending. You're only feeding into the problems that result in human trafficking. :s:
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;51868090]For sake of education can you explain what you mean by this, like the scenario(s) you have in mind[/QUOTE] Simply put: people still want to get into the country but now they can't do it legally so they do it illegally, a lot of human traffickees are also victims that are forced to run away from their own countries because of organised crime or terrorism.
I wonder which TV segment he got this idea from
It makes sense to crack down on trafficking if you're also trying to crack down on immigration. I think, if anything, this is a sign that Trump's finally realising that reducing immigration consists of more than just building a bloody wall.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;51868817]Simply put: people still want to get into the country but now they can't do it legally so they do it illegally, a lot of human traffickees are also victims that are forced to run away from their own countries because of organised crime or terrorism.[/QUOTE] Human smuggling and Human trafficking are much different. You can have open borders and help eliminate smuggling, but trafficking will still be around. They're both way different and function differently.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51869333]Human smuggling and Human trafficking are much different. You can have open borders and help eliminate smuggling, but trafficking will still be around. They're both way different and function differently.[/QUOTE] Human trafficking and human smuggling are not unrelated. In Mexico, cartels run both enterprises, and many victims of trafficking are those who were seeking to be smuggled. Cartel smuggling operations kidnap, rape, and sell (or force into prostitution) young women and girls who are attempting to get to America. Oftentimes, they'll even force families to give up their daughters as "payment" for getting them to America, saying that the girls need to work off their family's debts. The same general trends are seen throughout the world. Families and girls seeking better lives are preyed upon by criminal underworlds who seek to exploit their desperation and vulnerability. Taking steps to reduce that desperation and vulnerability directly hurts human trafficking enterprises.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51869415]Human trafficking and human smuggling are not unrelated. In Mexico, cartels run both enterprises, and many victims of trafficking are those who were seeking to be smuggled. Cartel smuggling operations kidnap, rape, and sell (or force into prostitution) young went and girls who are attempting to get to America. Oftentes, [B]they'll even force families to give up their daughters as "payment" for getting them to America, saying that the girls need to work off their family's debts[/B].[/QUOTE] Jesus thats horrible, any sources on that?
[QUOTE=da space core;51869421]Jesus thats horrible, any sources on that?[/QUOTE] I watched a pretty fascinating, and tragic, documentary on it not long ago. The documentarian actually embedded himself with a cartel, interviewing the members (with their faces covered) throughout the entire process. They were quite casual in explaining that the house full of kidnapped girls they were guarding were going to be sent into prostitution to pay off the debts of their families. It was sickening. I'm at work right now, but I'll see if I can dig up the name of it when I get home tonight. It was on Netflix.
I don't have a source to back up BDA, but we've seen cases at work where that is exactly what happened. Father and son get into the states, get jobs, and a place to live. Their young daughter has to be given up and enters the prostitution business on behalf of those who got them there. The two are extremely related
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Is it really mostly to do with immigrants? Who's to say we don't just have a huge trafficking problem right here in the US? It's anecdotal and not immediately relevant, but I sometimes get upwards of two amber alerts a month for missing white kids, and God knows how many folks just plain go missing in the middle of the country.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51869824]Is it really mostly to do with immigrants? Who's to say we don't just have a huge trafficking problem right here in the US? It's anecdotal and not immediately relevant, but I sometimes get upwards of two amber alerts a month for missing white kids, and God knows how many folks just plain go missing in the middle of the country.[/QUOTE] Well, of course human trafficking exists outside of immigration, too, but I'd place a safe wager that immigration is the largest source of it. [editline]24th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51869424]I watched a pretty fascinating, and tragic, documentary on it not long ago. The documentarian actually embedded himself with a cartel, interviewing the members (with their faces covered) throughout the entire process. They were quite casual in explaining that the house full of kidnapped girls they were guarding were going to be sent into prostitution to pay off the debts of their families. It was sickening. I'm at work right now, but I'll see if I can dig up the name of it when I get home tonight. It was on Netflix.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it was [I]Underworld, Inc[/I], Season 2, episode 3: [url]http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/underworld-inc/episodes/human-cargo/[/url] [quote]Mexican cartels dominate an extremely lucrative industry exporting undocumented migrants and squeezing them for cash. Thousands of Central Americans head north to the US border, lured by hopes for a brighter future, but people smugglers, who are often linked to cartels, make it difficult to cross without their supervision, and for a price. At crossing points such as Nogales, Mexico, networks of “coyotes” are waiting to get them across – once the migrants fork over thousands of dollars per person. At first it seems like a regular business – local stores even supply camouflaged clothing and water bottles. But if the migrants can’t pay a second round of “fees” once they cross the border, people smuggling turns into people trafficking in a heartbeat. And once in the traffickers’ clutches, the migrants become human cargo, held for ransom. Those who can’t pay may find themselves sold to work off the debt — men as laborers, women as prostitutes. We get the story from the inside, in the words of the migrants and cartel foot soldiers.[/quote] This whole series was fascinating. If it's still on Netflix, I'd definitely recommend it. It takes a first-person approach to exploring various illegal activities, by personally interviewing (and shadowing) the people, gangs, and cartels as they go through the routines
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