I'm just gonna preface this by saying before you dismiss the Myers Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) as just some bullshit with no sound basis in science/psychology, that's really a result of the numerous internet doctors and BuzzFeed scientists that come up with descriptions of types that just dick rides the fuck out of them without giving any actual background to the cognitive functions.
/!\ IMPORTANT /!\ Online personality tests are notoriously bad at typing someone, and usually have fairy dust descriptions that don't make any sense. Here's a more reliable test to find out which functions you use. Just keep in mind to be COMPLETELY HONEST and don't answer questions based on what you think you'd do. Answer them based on what you /have/ done in the past. It may take a good bit of reflection to determine what your thought process was in a situation, but it gives way more accurate results. [url]http://keys2cognition.com/explore.htm[/url]
And of course the only truly reliable way to type yourself is intense introspection along with researching each of the cognitive functions.
[B]So what is the MBTI and Jungian/Analytical Psychology?[/B]
So contrary to what tumblrinas would have you believe, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is actually a pretty useful tool for finding out how your mental process works and why you think/act like you do. The MBTI uses a four letter code, each with their own dichotomies of:
[I]ntroversion-[E]xtraversion
I[N]tuition-[S]ensing
[T]hinking-[F]eeling
[J]udging-[P]erceiving
Each of these letters when put into a group of four (ex. INFP, ESTJ, ISTP, etc.) draws upon Jungian psychology and the concept of psychological 'functions' to paint a pretty reliable picture of how you/the self works and processes information. In the proceeding paragraphs I'm going to use the INFP type as the main example for explanation.
[B]So what do these words mean? What are cognitive functions?[/B]
---Introversion/Extraversion---
So this is a pretty advanced topic that requires some in-depth reading but I'm gonna try my best to condense it into something easily understandable by the average joe, and even then it would still require some further research. I'm just hoping this description will spark your interest and help you further understand yourself. First off, let's discuss Introversion and Extraversion. This dichotomy is pretty self explanatory, but there are some common misconceptions about what it really means. Introversion does not automatically mean shy and timid, and extraversion doesn't imply a chatterbox that never shuts up. It actually describes how one builds up or receives mental energy. Introverts for example gain energy by being in solitude, where (usually) they reflect about themselves and work on activities that doesn't require interaction with other people. They 'recharge' in a sense with these activities, and expend the energy gained by interacting with other people. Extraverts on the other hand gain energy and prefer being in the company of other people. Solitary activities usually drain extraverts and neglecting the need for gaining mental energy with both types can manifest as anxiety or depression, or some other type of neuroses.
And just a note, people are usually a mix of either rather than being on an extreme end of the scale.
---Intuition/Sensing---
Just like introversion and extraversion, there's some common misconceptions about the differences between intuition and sensing. People who prefer using intuition are not guided by gut feelings, and people who use sensing are not dumb and vapid people that only use their senses to navigate the world. It's just a way to describe the way people come to make decisions. To make a long description short, Intuitors are basically people that prefer to live in a world of ideas and possibilities. They usually look to the future and enjoy things that have an abstract element or hidden meaning to them. On the other hand, sensors live in the present moment and make decisions based on facts that are in the here and now. They don't care for living with their head in the clouds as intuitors do.
---Thinking/Feeling---
Again, more common misconceptions about thinking and feeling. Thinkers are not cold-hearted emotionless machines, and feelers aren't whiny crybabies that are constantly caught up in their melancholic/edgy feelings. Thinkers prefer to make decisions based on logic and efficiency. For example, a thinker would make an important decision on what would be the most efficient strategy, mostly regardless of people's sensibilities. Feelers on the other hand usually make decisions based on what "feels" right to them, or what would hurt the least amount of people's feelings. They like to take people's emotions into consideration when making decisions.
---Judging/Perceiving---
Ahh, this topic is a bit of a hard one to explain without going into too much detail. To make an extremely long description short (again), Judgers usually prefer order in their environment. They like things to be neat and organized, and prefer to have events on a schedule. Perceivers, by contrast, are the type to keep their options for the day open. They're the type to just go with the flow and do activities as they come up, rather than plan in advance. As a consequence, they aren't very punctual when it comes to meeting a deadline.
---Cognitive Functions---
Now this is where the real fun starts. Each of these four letter codes refers to a "stack" of functions that a person prefers to use. For example, an INFP's function stack would be Fi (introverted feeling), Ne (extraverted intuition), Si (introverted sensing), Te (extraverted thinking). I could write paragraph after paragraph explaining each function, but I don't have the patience to do that much typing and paraphrasing, heh. There are 8 functions, each one either being extraverted (oriented to the outside world, aka objective), or being introverted (oriented to the inner world, aka subjective). These functions are: Fi Fe Ni Ne Si Se Ti Te. Each function stack can be thought of as layers of filters that reduce something into a conscious decision based on what each of the functions value. Rather than make this OP even bigger, I'll use INFP as an example and write out each function with a short description. To get an in-depth analysis of each function, here's a [URL="http://personalityjunkie.com/infp-personality-type-profile/"]site[/URL] that goes into a good amount of detail
Fi - Introverted feeling is a subjective function that uses a deeply ingrained, moral compass that's built up from personal experience to decide what is and isn't meaningful to the INFP. Fi prefers to be intensely individualistic regardless of what the "group" (aka other people) thinks of them, and experience emotions with a huge intensity.
Ne - Extraverted intution is the INFP's main tool for interaction with the world. It's the type of function that likes to imagine into the short(ish) term future, and likes to view things from many perspectives. It's also a very disorganized function, and usually makes connections between random ideas that may not make sense to an onlooker, but makes total sense to the person.
Si - Introverted sensing is like a memory database that stores experiences and the associated feelings with them. It is concerned with what has worked in the past when making decisions.
Te - Extraverted thinking is a function that likes to impose order onto the outside environment. It prefers utmost efficiency and objective facts. Being the last function in the stack, it is inherently the weakest and usually manifests under stress as being very harsh and critical.
[B]Wow that was stupid. Where do I go to get an actual explanation that makes sense?[/B]
Here's some useful links to get you started into the world of MBTI and functions.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_cognitive_functions[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_psychology[/url]
[url]http://www.typeinmind.com/[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBTI[/url]
Of course this isn't the be all end all of information, and some obsessive googling (like I have done) would do a lot of good for explaining the topic in way more depth than I ever could.
I'm gonna keep working on the OP, but this is just what I shat out in about an hour.
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So in case you didn't guess I'm an INFP and its pretty fuckin gay. Ever since finding out about all this, I've been doing a lot more introspection about my life and where it's headed, and after figuring out that I'm an INFP my turbulent feelings make so much more sense now. I'm hoping I can slowly work on integrating with my shadow and fixing my 'bad' attributes.
So what are you guys' type? What's life been like so far? There's no barriers here and no judgement.
I [I]vaguely[/I] recall my psych prof telling us that the Myers-Briggs test isn't a good indication of your personality (as you've mentioned) since personality encompasses so more than four traits.
However, this interests me as a psychology major.
I've found basically every test I've tried has labelled me an ISTJ. I'm trying the keys2cognition site you listed up there, but despite filling in absolutely every entry it keeps spitting out this message:
[QUOTE]Please press your browser's 'back' button and enter all demographic information requested of you, including: how you found this site, your age and sex, and your 4-letter type code if known. Thank you.[/QUOTE]
like I just want to see if it'll still be consistent with the other results and all
i've gotten ENFJ every time i've taken this test. kinda makes sense since i really enjoy teaching and helping other people
[QUOTE=kijji;52503854]I [I]vaguely[/I] recall my psych prof telling us that the Myers-Briggs test isn't a good indication of your personality (as you've mentioned) since personality encompasses so more than four traits.
However, this interests me as a psychology major.[/QUOTE]
Using the mbti alone is pretty bad for describing personality type, but when you read into cognitive functions, the type descriptions which incorporate them actually make a lot of sense. Reading into how Fi and Ne work was so surreal and eerily accurate at describing what I am as a person. Fi is always searching for experiences that have personal meaning and looks for people who are authentic and are their true selves around it, and I can relate to that so hard. I also relate to Ne really hard but I feel like any way I describe it would come off as bragging or narcissistic :x
I got ESFP but it gave me alternatives (ISFP or ESFJ)
You have to put something in the ID field, I just put 1 :v:
[QUOTE=kijji;52503884]I got ESFP but it gave me alternatives (ISFP or ESFJ)
You have to put something in the ID field, I just put 1 :v:[/QUOTE]
Man, sensors always interest me. I had an ESTP boyfriend for a while and our differences in taste and what we look for in stuff like movies and games were so different. Like LOTR for example; I was so captivated by it because of the depth from the characters and all the symbolism for the human experience present in it. By contrast he liked it for the expansive lore and and world building. I just gotta wonder if that has anything to do with our types. What would you say you look for in things like games and movies?
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;52503990]Man, sensors always interest me. I had an ESTP boyfriend for a while and our differences in taste and what we look for in stuff like movies and games were so different. Like LOTR for example; I was so captivated by it because of the depth from the characters and all the symbolism for the human experience present in it. By contrast he liked it for the expansive lore and and world building. I just gotta wonder if that has anything to do with our types. What would you say you look for in things like games and movies?[/QUOTE]
I don't really look for anything in games and movies because they're more of an entertainment outlet than anything else. But I like to find a good story and well-written characters, and I like to explore in games if I'm able to.
I am through and through an ESTJ, I made a similar thread a little while ago and the majority of FP was INTJ, which isn't too surprising
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1162114[/url]
(Not trying to derail just trying to provide more content)
ENTJ
It does:
- classify your personality on a binary level
It does not:
- accurately measure mixed results (if you are 49% I/E you are still I (which I think is fair))
[editline]25th July 2017[/editline]
Honestly I wish people would just get someone else to type them over online tests - they're horribly ineffective
[QUOTE=Disseminate;52504043]ENTJ
It does:
- classify your personality on a binary level
It does not:
- predict future career/relationship successes accurately (or:)
- accurately measure mixed results (if you are 49% I/E you are still I (which I think is fair))
[editline]25th July 2017[/editline]
Honestly I wish people would just get someone else to type them over online tests - they're horribly ineffective[/QUOTE]
Lol I'm willing to try and type anyone who's interested. After a ton of analysis and research I feel like I was successfully able to correctly type my ex boyfriend and friend. And both conclusions I came to were different from the results they got on one of those shitty online tests.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;52504065]Lol I'm willing to try and type anyone who's interested. After a ton of analysis and research I feel like I was successfully able to correctly type my ex boyfriend and friend. And both conclusions I came to were different from the results they got on one of those shitty online tests.[/QUOTE]
What type of information would you need? I'm curious to give this a shot
[QUOTE=TFA;52504071]What type of information would you need? I'm curious to give this a shot[/QUOTE]
post history
[editline]25th July 2017[/editline]
hint you're ENxJ
I don't believe they're like, personality guideliness as they claim to be, but I've found they tend to get the most prominent aspects of people fairly accurately.
I always get INFJ, it's supposed to be the less common one. I like that tests always word it like "congrats you're like a rare unicorn person!" instead of "haha weirdo"
I don't understand how we got this far into an INTP- I mean an MBTI thread without an INTP posting.
where my //INFP// bois at
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52504369]where my //INFP// bois at[/QUOTE]
Almost 100 percent infp as indicated by every test reporting in. U guiz really are a FiNe SiTe
[editline]25th July 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=TFA;52504071]What type of information would you need? I'm curious to give this a shot[/QUOTE]
Since the questions for typing someone are pretty personal I wouldn't blame ya for wanting to do it over PM.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52504369]where my //INFP// bois at[/QUOTE]
Does it count if I sit right between INFP and ENFP?
[QUOTE=Drury;52504364]I don't understand how we got this far into an INTP- I mean an MBTI thread without an INTP posting.[/QUOTE]
hi
Last time I took this I was told I was ENFP, now I'm being told I'm ENTP, weird. Either way both descriptions seem to describe me fairly well at a lot of levels, things like testing people, which is something I used to do subconsciously, then noticed I did it and kind of just embraced it. Things like being a bit insensitive and often coming across as intolerant, which are certainly things I need to work on. Problem is it totally fails on other levels like this:
[QUOTE]Loyalty, support, emotional feedback – these are not what Debaters look for in their friendships. [/QUOTE]
Which is [B]exactly[/B] what I look for in friendships.
I wouldn't exactly mind if it got a few things off slightly but that seems a little extreme.
Remember guys, functions functions functions. The 16p test is especially bad at typing and types aren't supposed to describe who someone is, just how they process and react to stimuli. To elabourate on Rossy's passage about testing people, both T and F types can do that, it's just the why how they do it that differentiates the two. An extroverted feeling type might do it to push emotional boundaries and see what they can get away with, while an extroverted thinking type might do it for the sake of mental sparring itself, so they can pick apart the logic in the opposing person's argument. Also, my reference to extroverted feeling/thinking has nothing to do with the actual functions of the same name. Just referring to an extraverted individual who uses thinking or feeling.
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This is also ignoring the two dichotomies for each function type. For example, the difference between Introverted thinking (Ti) and Extroverted thinking (Te) is how they're oriented. Ti is oriented inward and therefore likes to pick apart and analyze logical /concepts/, building up a mental framework to understand it. On the opposite side with Te being oriented outwards, it likes to concern itself with the logical and systematic side of physical objects. Think of it like this, Ti is like a mathematical theory, something that can be logically explained by an equation or something of the sort, but it's only an idea. Te would be like a business, full of hierarchies and systems that interact with each other and have a cause/effect relationship.
A similar way of thinking can be applied to Fi/Fe, Ni/Ne, Si/Se. Just quickly, Fi likes to assign values to subjects and things that have a personal, subjective meaning. Something that only the person using Fi would truly understand. On the flip side, Fe is concerned with already established societal values, and prefers to uphold and attach itself to those rather than something self-oriented.
Really hope I explained that pretty well.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52504369]where my //INFP// bois at[/QUOTE]
I am here, armed with a statistical tendency towards crippling anxiety
I had the test forced on me, and didn't really believe it until I saw the subreddit for my type. And then also saw that my type was more likely to visit the subreddit than other types by a significant factor. Then I had an existential crisis which ultimately led to a feeling of the world being much larger and more populated with like-minded people.
In other words I thought I was fucking crazy until I found the subreddit for my type and realized that this is a thing.
Any other INFPs feel like a walking contradiction? I wanna have meaningful relationships with other people IRL but it feels like it's impossible to take down my walls without the help of durgs or an unreasonable amount of time for trust building. Maybe it's just social anxiety but fuuuuck does it suck.
I can't remember what I am.. I'll re-do this.. think it was INTJ
I just remembered I had this saved and it's [I]very[/I] relevant.
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[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;52514010]Any other INFPs feel like a walking contradiction? I wanna have meaningful relationships with other people IRL but it feels like it's impossible to take down my walls without the help of durgs or an unreasonable amount of time for trust building. Maybe it's just social anxiety but fuuuuck does it suck.[/QUOTE]
Yes 100%, I have literally just spent the last hour at work trying to puzzle out how to be less cynical and more trusting of people. The amount of anxiety I feel over things like identity and my social life on a daily basis is truly mind blowing, I am a complete basketcase. Being an INFP in general gives you a huge degree of empathy but at what fucking cost because your head ends up being a truly tough place to be
The ego struggle is real
[editline]28th July 2017[/editline]
Drinking helps, but I've been trying to cut back
[QUOTE=killerteacup;52514256]Yes 100%, I have literally just spent the last hour at work trying to puzzle out how to be less cynical and more trusting of people. The amount of anxiety I feel over things like identity and my social life on a daily basis is truly mind blowing, I am a complete basketcase. Being an INFP in general gives you a huge degree of empathy but at what fucking cost because your head ends up being a truly tough place to be
[editline]28th July 2017[/editline]
Drinking helps, but I've been trying to cut back[/QUOTE]
Man sometimes I wonder if I'm just not cut out for being social beyond like 1 or 2 friends. Even though drugs helps with opening up, the fact that they take away almost all the existential dread and gender dysphoria makes them such a great and absolutely horrible utility for introspection and making life seem magical again. Plus you get to be yourself more freely when it's just me, myself, and I around to judge.
I've heard that Jungian psychology isn't backed up very much empirically and that modern psychology and science has moved on from it. That isn't to say that it isn't very interesting to look into or useful when writing fiction to help create characters.
The MBTI also isn't optimal by far if one is seriously trying to understand their personality objectively. I've heard that, while personality tests are a complicated and imperfect tool as of the current progress in psychology, the Big 5 personality traits are currently the best standard/theory for personality. In particular, the International Personality Item Pool (which you can look into at IPIP.ori.org) is a "A Scientific Collaboratory for the Development of Advanced Measures of Personality and Other Individual Differences" and seems incredibly scientific and empirical and all that. They offer a personality test based on the Big 5 traits that has a 300 question and a 120 question version. You can access those here: [url]http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/IPIP/[/url] or here: [url]http://www.personalityassessor.com/ipip300/[/url]
The first link is a link to the IPIP's actual website, while the second link is to a website that offers access to several personality tests, the IPIP included. If you're interested in personality tests and seriously want to learn more about yourself, I cannot recommend the IPIP tests more. But hey, this thread is specifically about the Myers-Briggs and Jungian Psychology and I don't want to jack it (pls no ban), so moving on.
Concerning the Myers-Briggs, last time I took it I got ESTP. It feels right, but I could be suffering from heavy confirmation or other biases, and it has been a while since I've taken it. I'll take it again and see what I get.
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