Honour case girl 'tried to wed' - Killed for family "Honour"
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[quote][b]The boyfriend of a girl whose family allegedly murdered her for "honour" found out she was 15 years old when they went to marry, a court has heard.[/b]
[b]Halil Unal, 41, told the Old Bailey that Tulay Goren's family had agreed to the union but it was only at Hackney register office he learnt her age.[/b]
Tulay, who vanished in 1999, ran away from home and lived with Mr Unal before their attempt to wed, the court heard.
[b]Her father Mehmet Goren, 49, denies murder. Her body has never been found.[/b]
Mr Goren, of Woodford Green, north London, is charged along with Tulay's uncles Cuma Goren, 42, and Ali Goren, 55.
The brothers, both from Walthamstow, east London, also deny murder.
Giving evidence from behind a screen, Mr Unal told the jury that Tulay, a Kurdish Turk, had run away from home soon after her father attacked him.
Mr Unal, 31 at the time, said Tulay's father came to the factory he worked at and attacked him for "bothering" his daughter.
The pair had met and fell in love when Tulay got a summer job at the factory.
Mr Unal said she told him she was 17 years old.
On 14 December 1998 Tulay ran away from home and came to live with Mr Unal, also a Kurdish Turk, the jury heard.
He told the court: "She said 'I've left home. Come pick me up.'
When he went to collect her from Stratford bus station in east London he found her carrying only a plastic carrier bag, he told the court.
A couple of days later, Mr Unal got a call from her uncle Ali Goren who asked if the teenager was with him, which he confirmed.
He told the court that, following Mr Goren's suggestion, some elderly members of the community approached Tulay's family on Mr Unal's behalf to ask for Tulay's hand in marriage.
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The court heard Tulay's father and uncles gave their permission to the union.
But when the couple went to the register office on 22 December, Mr Unal said he found out Tulay's real age.
Mr Unal told the jury he was "not angry" about the discovery.
"If you love somebody you love them to the very end. You just love them as they are," he said.
Soon after the register office incident, Tulay's father complained that other single men were staying at the property and came to take her back home, Mr Unal told the court.
But Mr Unal said that, as he did not trust Mehmet Goren, he rang his brother Ali who told him: "Who is Mehmet going to give this girl to?
"He has either got to kill her or give her to you. Who else will take this girl?"
[b]The prosecution says Tulay was killed "to restore the so-called honour" of the family, as a relationship between she and Mr Unal - who are from different sects of Islam - "would not have been tolerated".[/b]
The trial continues.[/quote]
Source: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8303669.stm[/url]
Just how far do you really need to go before you actually believe that your last option is for your daughter to be killed for the sake of your "family honour"?
[QUOTE=:smug:;17811968]Those who rated OP bad spelling are unaware of the British spelling of honour/honor[/QUOTE]
That's why I always say honor brings nothing but trouble to those who think they are in need of it.
Another day in the life of islamic religion. :rolleyes:
:v:
[QUOTE=ThePutty;17809111]Another day in the life of islamic religion. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha.
This is why Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. Anyone agree?
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;17809472]This is why Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. Anyone agree?[/QUOTE]
I'm very proud that I don't.
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Also, Muslims are box bombing everyone in the thread.
[QUOTE=ThePutty;17809111]Another day in the life of islamic religion. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You're not allowed to kill anybody in Islam unless its Justice (execution) or War.
(Accidents are ok)
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Communism;17809643]
Also, Muslims are box bombing everyone in the thread.[/QUOTE]
:( No I'm not
I rated you all rainbow to prove it
This happens all the time, it was a big topic in German news last year.
Waiting for England to bend their back to accommodate.
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[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;17810371]This happens all the time, it was a big topic in German news last year.[/QUOTE]
It's going to be even more common, what with the native populations of Europe dying out and being replaced by foreign populations.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17810398]It's going to be even more common, what with the native populations of Europe dying out and being replaced by foreign populations.[/QUOTE]
There is no "Islamification" going on in Europe, or anywhere else in the world. Despite what paranoid islamophobes want you to believe the percentage of muslimic immigrants in Europe is really low. Don't listen to them.
[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;17811209]There is no "Islamification" going on in Europe, or anywhere else in the world. Despite what paranoid islamophobes want you to believe the percentage of muslimic immigrants in Europe is really low. Don't listen to them.[/QUOTE]
Someone's not been in Norway... Sigh.
[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;17811209]There is no "Islamification" going on in Europe, or anywhere else in the world. Despite what paranoid islamophobes want you to believe the percentage of muslimic immigrants in Europe is really low. Don't listen to them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but we fuck like rabbits.
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Ah no it's okay because that is just their culture and everyone knows that all other culture are equal apart from our which is worse and should bend to accommodate and anyone who thinks that is not okay is a racist ignorant xenophobic dickfuck.
But seriously, that's fucking disgusting.
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[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;17811209]There is no "Islamification" going on in Europe, or anywhere else in the world. Despite what paranoid islamophobes want you to believe the percentage of muslimic immigrants in Europe is really low. Don't listen to them.[/QUOTE]
Eh, no.
[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;17811209]There is no "Islamification" going on in Europe, or anywhere else in the world. Despite what paranoid islamophobes want you to believe the percentage of muslimic immigrants in Europe is really low. Don't listen to them.[/QUOTE]
Why people say Europe is being "Islamified" is because countries like the UK are making exceptions in their laws for Muslims, such as the idea of a religious court separate from the government's courts and giving them all sorts of exceptions to restrictions that other religions have to follow.
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;17811674]Why people say Europe is being "Islamified" is because countries like the UK are making exceptions in their laws for Muslims, such as the idea of a religious court separate from the government's courts and giving them all sorts of exceptions to restrictions that other religions have to follow.[/QUOTE]
I haven't heard of this, any information on this? Not degrading or doubting your argument, I'd just like to read up on it. I've only heard about the case in the Netherlands where they banned criticizing religions, which is of course idiotic but understandable with guys like Wilders getting so much attention.
Those who rated OP bad spelling are unaware of the British spelling of honour/honor
anyone who rated op bad spelling is dumb
[QUOTE=Poltergeist Three;17811209]There is no "Islamification" going on in Europe, or anywhere else in the world. Despite what paranoid islamophobes want you to believe the percentage of muslimic immigrants in Europe is really low. Don't listen to them.[/QUOTE]
I think he's getting at the long-term where the Muslim birth-rate is higher than the European so theoretically Europe would eventually be non-white.
But still, it's ridiculous to even think that will happen in our life-times. And if it does I'm pretty sure a government would find a way to halt it. Anyway the Muslims in European society now are getting more and more integrated as generations go by.
We'll get to a point where these differences won't exist, look at Blacks in America for instance.
hmph. it's their religion. they want to kill themselves, go for it.
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