right now i live off an HDTV for my monitor (my old monitor doesnt support HDMI)
I've got $200 to swing, and i'm still on the fence on 2 cheap monitors or 1 Better monitor. So this thread is just to decide on a single monitor.
I play games a lot and use SFM/Blender so decent resolution is important
Currently looking at [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014329"]this,[/URL] But was hoping for something a bit bigger ('23-'24) and with HDMI support
Try [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236112]this[/url]. HDMI, has speakers, 2ms response time, all for around 159. Plus there's a special apparently for 20$ off so not a bad deal at all.
I'm not really big into the whole dual monitor thing either, but honestly I've never tried it.
I just got this: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009422[/url]
Doesn't come with speakers, but monitor speakers are generally always garbage. This one also has a slower response time. (oh well)
It should be coming by the end of tomorrow. I'll let you know what I think of it.
Why do you guys suggest TN panels at that price when you can get some nice IPS-panel monitors at that price range which would have a lot better color quality?
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[QUOTE=fishyfish777;43982672]Why do you guys suggest TN panels at that price when you can get some nice IPS-panel monitors at that price range which would have a lot better color quality?
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Because who wants a POS Acer or an LG with 14ms Delay?
OP, [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288[/url] Is a good choice. It is IPS as well, but a top notch brand, and only 5ms delay.
[QUOTE=Levelog;43984962]Because who wants a POS Acer or an LG with 14ms Delay?
OP, [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288[/url] Is a good choice. It is IPS as well, but a top notch brand, and only 5ms delay.[/QUOTE]
I was just listing off examples and the LG just happens to be one of the cheapest 23" 1080p IPS panels you can get ($135 with free shipping vs $178 w/ shipping). Unless you play games competitively, it's rare that monitor response time matters.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;43982672]Why do you guys suggest TN panels at that price when you can get some nice IPS-panel monitors at that price range which would have a lot better color quality?
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There's really no increase in color quality going from a $150 TN to a $150 IPS. They're eIPS panels that still have 6bit banding and the color gamut isn't larger at all. People have gotten this idea that IPS=better color because traditionally IPS has been a technology reserved for professionals who need accurate displays, but it isn't true for lower end IPS monitors at all. The viewing angles are nice and all, but at that price range you can buy an actual 8bit per channel *VA panel and not have to deal with the banding of a TN or eIPS.
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The [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2312HM-IPS-Monitor/dp/B005LN1JEC/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1392923314&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=Dell+U2312HM"]Dell U2312HM[/URL] is a good choice. It's IPS and even though it's only 6 bit depth it does have FRC which boosts the amount of colours to 16.7 million. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference from a true 8 bit display and you get all the great benefits such a great viewing angles and 8 ms reponse time which is pretty darn good for IPS. It is 50 Dollars more than the others mentioned but I think it's worth it.
[QUOTE=Sivics;43985713]The [URL="http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2312HM-IPS-Monitor/dp/B005LN1JEC/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1392923314&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=Dell+U2312HM"]Dell U2312HM[/URL] is a good choice. It's IPS and even though it's only 6 bit depth it does have FRC which boosts the amount of colours to 16.7 million. You would be hard pressed to tell the difference from a true 8 bit display and you get all the great benefits such a great viewing angles and 8 ms reponse time which is pretty darn good for IPS. It is 50 Dollars more than the others mentioned but I think it's worth it.[/QUOTE]
Every 6bit monitor uses AFRC, and they have pretty apparent color banding. No form of dithering is going to change that the monitor can only display 2^18 simultaneous colors, they still struggle severely with any sort of gradation and VA is always going to be best in the budget segment of the display market because you can get actual 8bit VA panels for $150.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;43985149]I was just listing off examples and the LG just happens to be one of the cheapest 23" 1080p IPS panels you can get ($135 with free shipping vs $178 w/ shipping). Unless you play games competitively, it's rare that monitor response time matters.[/QUOTE]
i don't really play comp but i'm a bit of a stickler and i'd like better response time. even 5 seems like a gap between the 1-2ms i've seen. still not sure on which one posted here to look into.
i do a lot of blender modelling/ sfm animation so i'd like to have a good resolution and a decent size, but 2 monitors could help with my multitasking.
i'll go search through the posts and find which one i've got my eye on right now.
[QUOTE=Punchy;43987773]i don't really play comp but i'm a bit of a stickler and i'd like better response time. even 5 seems like a gap between the 1-2ms i've seen. still not sure on which one posted here to look into.
i do a lot of blender modelling/ sfm animation so i'd like to have a good resolution and a decent size, but 2 monitors could help with my multitasking.
i'll go search through the posts and find which one i've got my eye on right now.[/QUOTE]
You won't be able to tell the difference between 1ms and 5ms. If you think you can it's because you know the response times and you think that you can see a difference but in reality you have just convinced your brain you are able to when you are not. If you looked at two monitors 1ms and 5ms side by side without knowing which was which you wouldn't be able to tell which was 1 and which was 5.
[QUOTE=Npc_Hydra3;43988791]You won't be able to tell the difference between 1ms and 5ms. If you think you can it's because you know the response times and you think that you can see a difference but in reality you have just convinced your brain you are able to when you are not. If you looked at two monitors 1ms and 5ms side by side without knowing which was which you wouldn't be able to tell which was 1 and which was 5.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention all those quoted GtG response times mean nothing, they're marketing BS on the same level as dynamic contrast ratio specs. Even worse is when people interpret them as determining input lag levels which isn't correct. Even Asus's 1ms GtG 144Hz monitor has around 12ms of input lag. Something like the Dell U3014 has 33.8ms of input lag and I can say from experience it's still essentially imperceptible even when gaming. As long as you're not getting a 12bit NEC with something like a 20ms response time it's something that can be ignored.
Is there one that's around $150 that's a fair balance between colors for Photoshop and gaming? With all this talk about low-range IPS' not really being that great and *VA's being pretty good and TN's being whatever... where's that leave the recommendations?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;44003697]Is there one that's around $150 that's a fair balance between colors for Photoshop and gaming? With all this talk about low-range IPS' not really being that great and *VA's being pretty good and TN's being whatever... where's that leave the recommendations?[/QUOTE]
Companies like BenQ have PVA monitors that sell for $120-160 and have actual 8bit color which is the best you'll get in such a price range. You don't really improve color quality as all the monitors probably have a DeltaE higher than can be measured and a narrow gamut, but at least you eliminate 6bit+FRC color banding which is nice if you do anything in photoshop that will have gradation like lighting, sunsets, etc. Vertical alignment panels also have substantially better actual contrast ratios than TN or IPS panels, and you get a viewing angle in the middle between TN and IPS which I personally think is adequate and well balanced by its other positive attributes.
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I owned [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014329]one of these[/url] in the past before I upgraded and it was a great panel for the price point.
Do you want a LCD or LED monitor if you're working in Photoshop? I'm looking at BenQ right now but I need something at least 23 or 24" ($200 for BenQ). I'm really not sure what to look for
[QUOTE=Lilyo;44004992]Do you want a LCD or LED monitor if you're working in Photoshop? I'm looking at BenQ right now but I need something at least 23 or 24" ($200 for BenQ). I'm really not sure what to look for[/QUOTE]
You're trying to distinguish between two things not in the same category. It's like saying, do you want a Ford or a V8 engine, they're not comparable at all. LED is just a type of backlighting and it's what most monitors use. Any monitor with LED backlights is still going to be an LCD monitor. From a technical standpoint, CCFLs are actually better because they're more uniform than cheap edge lit LEDs and they allow for a much greater color gamut but that only matters to someone working in a color space greater than sRGB and who is paying upwards of $700 for their monitor. For your purposes, you can just ignore whether a monitor is LED backlit or not.
Why do you need a 23-24" panel? There's no improvement in...anything, when you move from 21.5" to 23 or 24" but maintain the same 1080p resolution. You're not likely to sit substantially farther from it than a 21.5" panel either so it's just going to be blurrier and substantially more expensive. The only specific benefit in the BenQ case is the 21.5" has a contrast ratio of 3000:1 and the larger ones is 5000:1 but that's quite a specific case and with both you're getting much better contrast than any IPS or TN panel.
What if I upped it to $200?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;44012446]What if I upped it to $200?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't make a difference. IPS has no midrange when it comes to color quality. Either it's narrow gamut 6bit or it's an sRGB 8bit. Anything below the price of high end IPS monitors is just competition between cheap eIPS monitors, TN's, and VA panels and as far as I'm concerned the latter of those 3 wins because it's the only one that will have true 8bit color depth.
Also didn't you say you already bought that Acer?
EDIT: If you read the previous part about ASUS monitors please disregard that. Apparently they decided to replace their entire lineup of affordable but good IPS monitors with ones of lower quality much like Dell did to the U2410.
Well, you seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
I ordered it but I managed to fumble on a number in my address, so they're sending it back to Newegg and I'll be getting a refund soon.
So I'll try out that BenQ! Thanks a ton dude!
is there a specific monitor you'd suggest at $150? or is that the $130 one you posted?
[QUOTE=Kaabii;44008039]Why do you need a 23-24" panel? There's no improvement in...anything, when you move from 21.5" to 23 or 24" but maintain the same 1080p resolution. You're not likely to sit substantially farther from it than a 21.5" panel either so it's just going to be blurrier and substantially more expensive. The only specific benefit in the BenQ case is the 21.5" has a contrast ratio of 3000:1 and the larger ones is 5000:1 but that's quite a specific case and with both you're getting much better contrast than any IPS or TN panel.[/QUOTE] Because I need the higher resolution and I thought larger monitors are proportional to res? I'm used to working on 2560x1440 27" iMac so I'm trying to get something that's not too big of a downgrade. It's really hard otherwise to work on illustrations and digital paintings on smaller monitors. Do I want to look for IPS or TN? If I understand IPS has better color and TN better response.
[QUOTE=Lilyo;44032248]Because I need the higher resolution? I'm used to working on 2560x1440 27" iMac so I'm trying to get something with a good native resolution. It's really hard otherwise to work on illustrations and digital paintings on smaller monitors.[/QUOTE]
You asked for a higher size, not a higher resolution. Those things are not the same and really don't have much relation. You're only going to get 1920x1080 on 21.5" or 23", and on 24" you'll get 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 depending on the aspect ratio. In addition, you're not going to get a 1920x1200 panel for $200, not even close.
If you're used to a 2560x1440 iMac and you do actual Photoshop work you need to multiply your budget by 4 because something that isn't a Dell U2713H isn't going to be up to your standard most likely.
Well I mean I need something at home that's not the biggest downgrade ever, you know? I don't wanna work on something at home and then look at it at school and see a huge difference in how the image looks on the two monitors. I should look for IPS panels correct?
I'm looking at this right now [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299[/url] but Im reading a lot of reviews that say it has ghosting problems.
E: It turns out BenQ use VA panels actually
[QUOTE=Lilyo;44032751]Well I mean I need something at home that's not the biggest downgrade ever, you know? I don't wanna work on something at home and then look at it at school and see a huge difference in how the image looks on the two monitors. I should look for IPS panels correct?
I'm looking at this right now [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299[/url] but Im reading a lot of reviews that say it has ghosting problems.[/QUOTE]garbage.
you can get so much better for less.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236327[/url]
[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;44034315]garbage.
you can get so much better for less.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236327[/url][/QUOTE]
That monitor has a lower contrast ratio and a TN panel.
contrast ratio is meaningless really, and I wouldn't expect much for a $200 budget. you're may have to get a TN panel
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236153[/url]
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[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005240[/url]
or
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236335[/url]
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perhaps even this tn panel
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[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;44034315]garbage.
you can get so much better for less.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236327[/url][/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? You just linked an ASUS TN while calling a VA panel garbage. Every monitor you're linking is an eIPS or a TN, they're all inferior panels.
[QUOTE=ClaBrendon;44034700]contrast ratio is meaningless really, and I wouldn't expect much for a $200 budget. you're may have to get a TN panel
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No it isn't. Again I state my disbelief and ask, what are you talking about? One of the huge appeals of VA panels is substantially better black levels than anything TN or IPS offers because the contrast is so much better. We're not discussing dynamic contrast here, the difference between 5000:1 and 800:1 static contrast ratios is huge.
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[QUOTE=Lilyo;44032751]Well I mean I need something at home that's not the biggest downgrade ever, you know? I don't wanna work on something at home and then look at it at school and see a huge difference in how the image looks on the two monitors. I should look for IPS panels correct?
I'm looking at this right now [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299[/url] but Im reading a lot of reviews that say it has ghosting problems.
E: It turns out BenQ use VA panels actually[/QUOTE]
Anything is going to look different at home if it's not a calibrated monitor. You're apparently used to a 2560x1440 display with full 8bit per channel color and a 100% sRGB gamut. It's not near as simple as just buying an IPS and being done with it, cheap IPS panels, VA panels, and TN panels all are going to have narrow color gamuts, large errors in color rendering, and possibly gradation issues.
This thread is way offtopic, the OP hasn't responded and now we're getting crazy recommendations from posters who call decent monitors garbage and think garbage monitors are good. Good luck to the OP if he's even checking this thread anymore.
Ugh I just saw [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236103"]this[/URL] for $230... 27", 2ms, 0.31 PP, TFT panel. Wish I was a bit less poor.
And how are VA monitors better than IPS? VA is an older technology, they're barely produced anymore + they're closer to TN than IPS, in terms of both color and reliability.
By the way the LG monitor posted here a version of the one I have and it isn't actually 14ms, newegg is just wrong for some reason and has been for quite some time. I have confirmed this with a phone call to LG due to a debate about a while back. It's great and LG customer support is really nice. Please whatever you do don't buy an Acer product, you will regret it.
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[QUOTE=Lilyo;44035064]Ugh I just saw [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236103"]this[/URL] for $230... 27", 2ms, 0.31 PP, TFT panel. Wish I was a bit less poor.
And how are VA monitors better than IPS? VA is an older technology, they're barely produced anymore + they're closer to TN than IPS.[/QUOTE]
Do not buy a 1080p 27 inch monitor I don't understand why they even sell them they are so horrible.
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