Epson Will Sell World’s First In-Office Paper Recycler - Polidicks

[IMG]http://gizmodo.uol.com.br/wp-content/blogs.dir/8/files/2015/12/epson-paperlab.jpg[/IMG][video=youtube;2qLjmIo3ne8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qLjmIo3ne8[/video] [QUOTE][URL="http://www.wsj.com/public/quotes/main.html?type=djn&symbol=6724.TO"]Seiko Epson[/URL] Corp. said Tuesday that it is preparing to start selling what will be the world’s first machines for office use that can recycle used paper into new white sheets without use of water. The PaperLab, [URL="http://www.epson.jp/technology/paperlab/?rdct=paperlab"]scheduled to go on sale next year[/URL], uses a technology that first strips the papers into fibers. The machine doesn’t use any water, relying on special adhesives that bind the fibers and calibrate the new sheets’ whiteness, according to the company. The process is different from regular shredding and can remove colors from the fibers to create a clean sheet, a spokeswoman at Seiko Epson said. The PaperLab can create 14 recycled papers per minute, the company said. It can also help reduce greenhouse gas emissions since it won’t be necessary to transport the used paper to recycling facilities. Seiko Epson hasn’t set a price for the PaperLab. The machine is designed for office use, and is 2.6 meters (8.5 ft) in width, 1.8 meters in height and 1.2 meters in depth.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2015/12/02/seiko-epson-says-it-will-sell-worlds-first-in-office-paper-recycler/[/url]

Neat shit. I can see it being very worthwhile to have at schools.

Neat, wonder if it has DRM and the "special adhesive" cartridges go "empty" at 20%.

[QUOTE=Reagy;49252861]Neat, wonder if it has DRM and the "special adhesive" cartridges go "empty" at 20%.[/QUOTE] Within a week, I bet you that every printer ink shop will be selling a dirt cheap version.

[QUOTE=Reagy;49252861]Neat, wonder if it has DRM and the "special adhesive" cartridges go "empty" at 20%.[/QUOTE] As stupid as it is there is a good reason printers have verified cartige DRM's

I doubt this will be useful for most places. The initial cost will take SO long to recoup and by the time it actually starts making up that deficit it will need expensive maintenance.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49252977]I doubt this will be useful for most places. The initial cost will take SO long to recoup.[/QUOTE] It's meant for large call centers and cubical farms, schools are also a good example but most likely it will only be cost effective at the higher education level

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49252958]As stupid as it is there is a good reason printers have verified cartige DRM's[/QUOTE] Yeah to uphold quality, but when they pull restrictive stuff and don't provide approved 3rd party providers or do the scummy stuff of saying the cartridge is empty when it isn't, you start to question why do we put up with this shit, so work arounds are quickly made. [QUOTE=sgman91;49252977]I doubt this will be useful for most places. The initial cost will take SO long to recoup and by the time it actually starts making up that deficit it will need expensive maintenance.[/QUOTE] If this was installed at say, a university or at a large solicitors office. It'll likely pay for it self within 2 years which is a viable solution, plus its much quicker than having to order in new paper, you put in a box of say 100 scrap prints and you'll have that same 100 out within less than an hour. Got to remember, this machine cuts out the whole cost involved with ordering in new constantly, you can cut down on expenses of getting in new bulk and instead locally reuse local scrap instead of having to ship it out, get it cleaned, mashed and remade then shipped back to you.

[QUOTE=Reagy;49252861]Neat, wonder if it has DRM and the "special adhesive" cartridges go "empty" at 20%.[/QUOTE] For business class, especially something of this scale, they aren't going to have gimmicks like that. They want as many places buying this new machine and make them happy so when it comes time to replace the 50,000 (made up by me) sheet adhesive, they will come back to Epson. They build a market and then can refine this large machine into something smaller given R&D. Once it hits consumer markets then we're fucked.

[QUOTE=Reagy;49253000]Yeah to uphold quality, but when they pull restrictive stuff and don't provide approved 3rd party providers or do the scummy stuff of saying the cartridge is empty when it isn't, you start to question why do we put up with this shit, so work arounds are quickly made. [/QUOTE] Those and the fact that the ink in those cartridges can kill you if enough of it gets in your lungs

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49253016]For business class, especially something of this scale, they aren't going to have gimmicks like that. They want as many places buying this new machine and make them happy so when it comes time to replace the 50,000 (made up by me) sheet adhesive, they will come back to Epson. They build a market and then can refine this large machine into something smaller given R&D. Once it hits consumer markets then we're fucked.[/QUOTE] Funny you say that, the commercial printers that were ordered in at my college have that 20% bullshit on their toners. And these are the big office printers that epson does, the IT department got sick of wasting money on new toners that they flashed the thing with a custom firmware and now it'll print until it runs out, its the only printer in the whole of the college that is constantly working because the toner just runs so much longer.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49253038]Those and the fact that the ink in those cartridges can kill you if enough of it gets in your lungs[/QUOTE] Flour can kill you if enough of it gets in your lungs.

[QUOTE=maxumym;49253090]Flour can kill you if enough of it gets in your lungs.[/QUOTE] oxygen can kill you if you get enough of it in your lungs

[QUOTE=maxumym;49253090]Flour can kill you if enough of it gets in your lungs.[/QUOTE] It doesn't take a lot of printer ink to cause severe damage to your lungs

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;49253232]Yes I'm sure they're thinking about the safety of my lungs when they put their no-refill chips in.[/QUOTE] That's usually for SLA purposes

[QUOTE=Reagy;49253058]Funny you say that, the commercial printers that were ordered in at my college have that 20% bullshit on their toners. And these are the big office printers that epson does, the IT department got sick of wasting money on new toners that they flashed the thing with a custom firmware and now it'll print until it runs out, its the only printer in the whole of the college that is constantly working because the toner just runs so much longer.[/QUOTE] Copy machines arent new tech. They're in the consumer market now.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49253038]Those and the fact that the ink in those cartridges can kill you if enough of it gets in your lungs[/QUOTE] Then put a warning label on the cheap stuff and let me print like an adult? I think I can handle installing a cartridge without it bursting open and pouring down my throat.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49253157]It doesn't take a lot of printer ink to cause severe damage to your lungs[/QUOTE] Why in the fresh hell would you inhale printer ink? HOW in the fresh hell would you inhale printer ink?

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;49253420]Why in the fresh hell would you inhale printer ink? HOW in the fresh hell would you inhale printer ink?[/QUOTE] Printers fuck up and the cartiges can burst open [t]http://i.imgur.com/g67Sm.jpg[/t] Happens more often then you think, especially when no IT staff is onsite and users are forcing shit into the printer

This doesn't we we should be putting shitty DRM on fucking everything that in the end will only fuck over consumers even more than they already are!

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49253596]This doesn't we we should be putting shitty DRM on fucking everything that in the end will only fuck over consumers even more than they already are![/QUOTE] i dont really think anyone in this entire thread has advocated for price gouging consumers just because he's saying printer chips have a purpose regardless of how much they get abused, doesn't mean he's sitting at his desk twirling his generic evilguy moustache grinning at the thought of people getting scammed out of their life savings

I don't really like the whole DRM thing, but having something like it is needed because people can be stupid as shit when it comes to anything computers. Remember those chips aren't just because a company wants to make more money, SLA's, law/suing protection, HAZMAT, and damages. While I agree it is stupid for price gouging on ink, and that is bullshit, however there are legitimate reasons for having that chip in ink.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49252958]As stupid as it is there is a good reason printers have verified cartige DRM's[/QUOTE] Such as? Epson themselves acknowledge its stupid and are selling printers that just have ink wells [t]http://www.printerland.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/l555.png[/t] [editline]5th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Code3Response;49253016]For business class, especially something of this scale, they aren't going to have gimmicks like that. They want as many places buying this new machine and make them happy so when it comes time to replace the 50,000 (made up by me) sheet adhesive, they will come back to Epson. They build a market and then can refine this large machine into something smaller given R&D. Once it hits consumer markets then we're fucked.[/QUOTE] I can't see this coming to consumer market, the liabilities alone wouldn't justify it but also the scale wouldn't work, its not like computers or 3d printing, this is a mini papermill, you can only make it so small

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49253481]Printers fuck up and the cartiges can burst open [t]http://i.imgur.com/g67Sm.jpg[/t] Happens more often then you think, especially when no IT staff is onsite and users are forcing shit into the printer[/QUOTE] ...That's not ink, that's toner. Of course inhaling fine particles is bad for your lungs. See, when you say "ink cartridge", this is what most people mean: [t]http://i.imgur.com/PbNzPPG.jpg[/t] And you have to do some goofy shit to get those things to crack open, never mind get the contents into your lungs.

i think this tech is awesome, i believe soon we will have portable recycling stations then rip dunder mifflin

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49252958]As stupid as it is there is a good reason printers have verified cartige DRM's[/QUOTE] My Epson printer was using third party ink that doesn't destroy bank accounts. Then it updated the firmware automatically and refused to to anything apart from beep with non genuine ink (the same cartridge that was working the day before). How is this helpful, the generic ink worked perfectly fine for months.

[QUOTE=helifreak;49254613]My Epson printer was using third party ink that doesn't destroy bank accounts. Then it updated the firmware automatically and refused to to anything apart from beep with non genuine ink (the same cartridge that was working the day before). How is this helpful, the generic ink worked perfectly fine for months.[/QUOTE] Even 3D printers are doing this, it's dumb. Did some work for a guy who teaches a 3D printing course at a local Christian school, the printers they use are of excellent build quality and are very affordable, but they use a non-standard filament size and have special cartridges for them on top of that, which only they provide, and their filaments are stupid expensive compared to any other. And on top of THAT, these cartridges have chips and firmware inside that are meant to prevent you from just cramming any filament in there or refilling them. Thankfully some guy from Brazil made a module you can clip into these printers that allow you to use any filament, but still, it's insane what companies will do. If you can't satisfy the customer with your product and services on their own, there's likely no chance that forcing them to use them will win you any fans.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49252977]I doubt this will be useful for most places. The initial cost will take SO long to recoup and by the time it actually starts making up that deficit it will need expensive maintenance.[/QUOTE] you know i'm pretty sure epson researched this notion before they put hundreds of thousands of dollars of R&D in to it and began to sell it

Why is it so big? This is proof that printer technology is stuck in the 80's.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49255131]Why is it so big? This is proof that printer technology is stuck in the 80's.[/QUOTE] its a mini paper-mill, what do you expect? you have actual chemical engineering and material processes going on here, you don't expect a box-crusher to fit on a benchtop, this certainly shouldn't not if you want to get the amount of paper out of this that makes it viable