• New Tests Show Arafat May Have Been Poisoned By Polonium-210
    32 replies, posted
[IMG]http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/on-deadline/2012/07/03/Arafatx-wide-community.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE=USA Today]Recent tests conducted on Yasser Arafat's personal belongings at the time of his unexpected death in 2004 suggest his body contained abnormal levels of radioactive polonium, the same poisonous substance that killed Russian spy-turned-dissident Alexander Litvinenko, Al-Jazeera TV reports. Al-Jazeera says its nine-month investigation found that Arafat was in good health until he fell suddenly ill Oct. 12, 2004, at his compound in Ramallah on the West Bank. He was flown to a French miitary hospital in Paris, where he died several days later. No autopsy was performed on the longtime Palestinian leader, who died at the age of 74. Al-Jazeera says the tests on his clothes, including his toothbrush and kaffiyeh, were conducted by the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland. "I can confirm to you that we measured an unexplained, elevated amount of unsupported polonium-210 in the belongings of Mr. Arafat that contained stains of biological fluids," Francois Bochud, the director of the institute, tells Al-Jazeera. Additional tests, conducted over a three-month period from March until June, concluded that most of that polonium found in samples of body fluids -- sweat and urine -- on Arafat's clothes, was "unsupported," meaning that it did not come from natural sources. Al-Jazeera says there is little scientific consensus on the symptoms of polonium poisoning, mostly because it is so rare. Litvinenko suffered severe diarrhea, weight loss and vomiting, as did Arafat, in the days and weeks before he fell ill. A British inquiry into the Litvinenko's death found that he was poisoned with polonium slipped into his tea at a sushi restaurant, Al-Jazeera notes.[/QUOTE] [url]http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/07/al-jazeera-tests-hint-yasser-arafat-died-of-polonium-poisoning/1?csp=hf[/url]
Nothing in this article or any article for that matter says Mossad.
Sensationalist title, there are three most probable poisoners, them being the mossad, hamas, or al queda. My bet is on Israel or US, I don't think hamas or al queda fart polonium or why they would bother murdering him with such "discretion".
Ugh, Polonium-210 has a half life of 138 days. Arafat died in 2004. How did they find traces of it?
It says the tests were conducted between March and June.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36637849]It says the tests were conducted between March and June.[/QUOTE] Oh. If they were to conduct the tests now, there would be roughly 0.0000476% of the original polonium still on his body. If this was a short while after his death, then this is understandable. But why did they take so long to publish the results?
polonium poisoning is a painful death
"he was flown to a French military hospital in Paris, where he died on 11 November 2004 at the age of 75. French doctors bound by privacy rules did not release information about Arafat's condition." "However, a spokesman for the institute, Darcy Christen, told the Reuters news agency that the clinical symptoms described in Arafat's medical records were not consistent with polonium-210 poisoning." BBC article is much more imformative.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36637743]Nothing in this article or any article for that matter says Mossad.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I suppose this title was a little too sensationalist.
Maybe the Russians did it.
definitely the mossad
[QUOTE=PassTheBong;36638293]definitely the mossad[/QUOTE] good job detective you've caught them red handed!!
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36638323]good job detective you've caught them red handed!![/QUOTE] Give that man a medal.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36637946] "However, a spokesman for the institute, Darcy Christen, told the Reuters news agency that the clinical symptoms described in Arafat's medical records were not consistent with polonium-210 poisoning." BBC article is much more imformative.[/QUOTE] "Al-Jazeera says there is little scientific consensus on the symptoms of polonium poisoning, mostly because it is so rare." [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] No point in relying on the symptoms in that case, would only be logical to test his belongings to see if any of them contained polonium. [quote]Al-Jazeera says the tests on his clothes, including his toothbrush and kaffiyeh, were conducted by the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland. "I can confirm to you that we measured an unexplained, elevated amount of unsupported polonium-210 in the belongings of Mr. Arafat that contained stains of biological fluids," Francois Bochud, the director of the institute, tells Al-Jazeera. Additional tests, conducted over a three-month period from March until June, concluded that most of that polonium found in samples of body fluids -- sweat and urine -- on Arafat's clothes, was "unsupported," meaning that it did not come from natural sources.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Glorbo;36637815]Ugh, Polonium-210 has a half life of 138 days. Arafat died in 2004. How did they find traces of it?[/QUOTE] It doesn't vanish. It degrades to a lead isotope.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;36637815]Ugh, Polonium-210 has a half life of 138 days. Arafat died in 2004. How did they find traces of it?[/QUOTE] Because half life still means half is gonna be left, and 138 days after that half of that again. That's why it's called a half life. It's 8 years ago so 1/256th of it remains.
[QUOTE=mac338;36640078]Because half life still means half is gonna be left, and 138 days after that half of that again. That's why it's called a half life. It's 8 years ago so 1/256th of it remains.[/QUOTE] That's not exactly correct, 1/256th of it would remain if the half life was 365 days. The half life is 138 days - a much faster decay rate. In 8 years that'd be about 21 periods of 138 days, which means only about 1/2,097,152th of it remains. It's highly suspicious that they found it after so much time, but we'll just have to wait and see, especially for more sources.
[QUOTE=mrkaki;36641007]That's not exactly correct, 1/256th of it would remain if the half life was 365 days. The half life is 138 days - a much faster decay rate. In 8 years that'd be about 21 periods of 138 days, which means only about 1/2,097,152th of it remains. [/QUOTE] You're right, I brain farted.
Innocent until proven guilty, but if he was assassinated Israel is obviously a suspect.
[QUOTE=mrkaki;36641007]It's highly suspicious that they found it after so much time, but we'll just have to wait and see, especially for more sources.[/QUOTE] Al Jazeera has good journalism but they aren't exactly all that neutral. Not necessarily dishonest, but they have a tendency to be selective on cases and have been called out on that bias. So I'm waiting for more sources, even though they worded this convincingly.
[QUOTE=mac338;36641753]Al Jazeera has good journalism but they aren't exactly all that neutral. Not necessarily dishonest, but they have a tendency to be selective on cases and have been called out on that bias. So I'm waiting for more sources, even though they worded this convincingly.[/QUOTE]It was an exclusive investigation so any other sources will be directly citing Al Jazeera. One of Al Jazeera's sources is Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Mossad. Hell, one time they waited for a guy to come home, then shot him in the head, and they had stripped down to their underwear to make sure no blood got on them. They tend to be quick and clean, but polonium is fucking brutal.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;36641777]It was an exclusive investigation so any other sources will be directly citing Al Jazeera. One of Al Jazeera's sources is Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland.[/QUOTE] Hopefully there will be more investigations though, based on their findings. It wouldn't surprise me if Mossad did this (or Hamas or less likely Al-Queda) but I automatically distrust studies funded by or done by Al Jazeera alongside Fox, CNN, MSNBC, RT and more.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;36639132] No point in relying on the symptoms in that case, would only be logical to test his belongings to see if any of them contained plutonium[/QUOTE] Aaand then he went on to say "the only way to confirm the findings would be to exhume Arafat's body to test it for polonium-210." but who needs that when you've got [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KaJFh.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36643043]Aaand then he went on to say "the only way to confirm the findings would be to exhume Arafat's body to test it for polonium-210." but who needs that when you've got [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KaJFh.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Yeah I can clearly tell you've been extremely excited and jumpy to use that picture because of how awfully irrelevant it is with whether the fact he was poisoned with polonium or not. The possibility of the poisoning was determined after forensic analysis and investigation carried out by the Institut de Radiophysique, it isn't "jumping to conclusions" in the slightest. [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/yasser-arafats-body-exhumed-153629560--abc-news-topstories.html"]And his body will be exhumed[/URL]. The only thing that can be construed as "jumping to conclusions" is who's the blame, but even that's a stretch. Its painfully obvious who's responsible by taking into account its modus operandi, the use of a relatively sophisticated method etc.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;36643043]Aaand then he went on to say "the only way to confirm the findings would be to exhume Arafat's body to test it for polonium-210." but who needs that when you've got [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KaJFh.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Hmm you're being awfully quick to decline the polonium murder theory. Are you sure you did not plant polonium on Jasser Arafat's belongings?
[QUOTE=mac338;36641753]Al Jazeera has good journalism but they aren't exactly all that neutral. Not necessarily dishonest, but they have a tendency to be selective on cases and have been called out on that bias. So I'm waiting for more sources, even though they worded this convincingly.[/QUOTE] They were pretty much the only ones showing what was happening in Iraq during the invasion, and everybody flipped a shit about it.
[QUOTE=mac338;36641753]Al Jazeera has good journalism but they aren't exactly all that neutral. Not necessarily dishonest, but they have a tendency to be selective on cases and have been called out on that bias. So I'm waiting for more sources, even though they worded this convincingly.[/QUOTE] The actual AJE reporting is as bias-free as humanly possible. They even note in the original that there's nothing to really suggest poisoning yet, just the groundwork for studies to determine if poisoning occurred. Really, 9/10 times you hear about AJ being biased it's coming from someone from another major news outlet trying to deflect criticism themselves. They do have a really strong opinion piece roster but they're pretty good about keeping that independent of the journalism.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;36637815]Ugh, Polonium-210 has a half life of 138 days. Arafat died in 2004. How did they find traces of it?[/QUOTE] because the half life of an element is measured in valve time when they examined him they probably got more than there was originally
[QUOTE=Falchion;36645109]Hmm you're being awfully quick to decline the polonium murder theory. Are you sure you did not plant polonium on Jasser Arafat's belongings?[/QUOTE] good job detective you've caught me red handed!! [editline]6th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;36643719]The only thing that can be construed as "jumping to conclusions" is who's the blame, but even that's a stretch. Its painfully obvious who's responsible by taking into account its modus operandi, the use of a relatively sophisticated method etc.[/QUOTE] They still don't know if it was Polonium that killed him but ok that's not jumping to conclusions I guess blaming somebody because of a sophisticated method isn't jumping to conclusions you're right you got me. Because from the very start the only purpose of this thread was to point fingers which is hilariously stupid.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.