Jeremy Corbyn says 'ship has sailed' on UK remaining in EU as he rules out second referendum
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[quote]Jeremy Corbyn has dealt a major blow to the campaign for a second Brexit referendum, saying the "ship has sailed" on Britain staying in the EU.
The Labour leader ruled out another national poll on the terms of the UK's divorce from the EU, saying he had abandoned his party's hopes to "remain and reform" the bloc.
His comments come after former UKIP leader Nigel Farage joined calls for a second referendum, while an ICM poll for The Guardian found 47% backed the move with 35% against.
Mr Corbyn said Labour wanted the UK to be in "a form of customs union" with the EU but added that staying in the current one would be tantamount to continuing membership.
He said that whatever trading relationship existed after 2019, Britain had to be able to "influence those regulations" it would be bound to.
"The referendum gave us the result it did," Mr Corbyn told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show. "We wanted to remain and reform, but that ship has sailed."
When pressed on his party's stance, Mr Corbyn said: "We're not asking for a second referendum."
Asked directly "and you're not going to?" he replied: "No."
He added: "There has to be a regulatory environment that is commensurate with Europe - obviously, because half our trade is with Europe."
Mr Corbyn also supported "working with EFTA countries" - non-EU countries that participate in its single market, such as Norway - but called for more influence over rule-making.[/quote]
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He's been saying this for a long time. No one in the UK government are willing to have a second referendum about EU membership, not even those who are actually aware of the damage it will cause to the UK.
Jeremy Corbyn is a long-time self-admitted euroskeptic, so I am not surprised. It's in his own interests to say the ship has sailed, even if the EU itself keeps saying otherwise.
I still have no idea how the fuck the UK bailing on the EU is supposed to be beneficial for them long or short term and I have yet to receive satisfactory explanations
I don't understand Euroskepticism in the UK. The UK has for a very long time held a position of disproportionate power in the EU and has actively benefited from that comfortable position for decades and decades
I can understand why Johnny Average may not fully grasp it and even find it worrisome, but I [I]don't[/I] understand why so many of the people in power in the UK seem so keen to give up their nation's position of power. The only things that make any sense to me are sheer brickheaded stupidity, corporate influence, or foreign influence
[QUOTE=Sitkero;53091085]I still have no idea how the fuck the UK bailing on the EU is supposed to be beneficial for them long or short term and I have yet to receive satisfactory explanations
I don't understand Euroskepticism in the UK. The UK has for a very long time held a position of disproportionate power in the EU and has actively benefited from that comfortable position for decades and decades
I can understand why Johnny Average may not fully grasp it and even find it worrisome, but I [I]don't[/I] understand why so many of the people in power in the UK seem so keen to give up their nation's position of power. The only things that make any sense to me are sheer brickheaded stupidity, corporate influence, or foreign influence[/QUOTE]
mostly corporate influence i think, british companies dont want to have to deal with EU regulation, or ideally any regulation at all
[QUOTE=Sitkero;53091085]I still have no idea how the fuck the UK bailing on the EU is supposed to be beneficial for them long or short term and I have yet to receive satisfactory explanations
I don't understand Euroskepticism in the UK. The UK has for a very long time held a position of disproportionate power in the EU and has actively benefited from that comfortable position for decades and decades
I can understand why Johnny Average may not fully grasp it and even find it worrisome, but I [I]don't[/I] understand why so many of the people in power in the UK seem so keen to give up their nation's position of power. The only things that make any sense to me are sheer brickheaded stupidity, corporate influence, or foreign influence[/QUOTE]
I think personally, Corbyn is Euroskeptic out of socialist principle - not wanting to support an organisation whose mission statement is the preservation of neoliberal values. He didn't impose that on the party though, he stayed impartial during the referendum and was criticised heavily for it. For the most part he offers reasonable pragmatic SocDem policy instead of gunning for some harder left option he might see as a future. See the 2017 manifesto for example.
[QUOTE=elowin;53091091]mostly corporate influence i think, british companies dont want to have to deal with EU regulation, or ideally any regulation at all[/QUOTE]
I thought UK legislators might just have to copy EU regulations over to UK code anyway because compacting 40 years of laws into the space of a few years is impossible.
[QUOTE=elowin;53091091]mostly corporate influence i think, british companies dont want to have to deal with EU regulation, or ideally any regulation at all[/QUOTE]
so what then? britain can't exist as an economy all of its own. it won't be able to get away with dramatic deregulation and even May has allowed the EU courts to remain relevant in the brexit deal
[QUOTE=Sableye;53091391]so what then? [B]britain can't exist as an economy all of its own[/B]. it won't be able to get away with dramatic deregulation and even May has allowed the EU courts to remain relevant in the brexit deal[/QUOTE]
well that's a very silly thing to say, because
!![B]UK won't and does not intend on entering a state of autarky after we leave the EU[/B]!!
so it's an irrelevant point
[QUOTE=Anteep;53091781]well that's a very silly thing to say, because
!![B]UK won't and does not intend on entering a state of autarky after we leave the EU[/B]!!
so it's an irrelevant point[/QUOTE]
Enjoy WTO baseline rules for the next five to ten years, then. See how well that goes for your economy.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;53091805]Enjoy WTO baseline rules for the next five to ten years, then. See how well that goes for your economy.[/QUOTE]
an unlikely outcome if labours wins the next election; resulting in a soft brexit.
p.s. no need to be so aggressive, leave your issues at home - you want me and every other british facepuncher to enjoy the negative affects of brexit? that's very fucked up and you need to sort it out
[QUOTE=Anteep;53091829]an unlikely outcome if labours wins the next election; resulting in a soft brexit.
p.s. no need to be so aggressive, leave your issues at home - you want me and every other british facepuncher to enjoy the negative affects of brexit? that's very fucked up and you need to sort it out[/QUOTE]
On the contrary, friend. As a matter of fact, I would very much like to see the UK abort Brexit and regain its sense of sanity so it remembers it has a veto and a number of special exceptions and privileges within the EU and there is no reality where these benefits and privileges with the EU would somehow be [U]improved[/U] by leaving the EU.
But apparently that's not happening so I wish you the best of luck with the downgrade in economic influence and standard of living the British Isles are likely to experience as a result of this. It didn't have to happen -- the referendum was [I]non-binding[/I], there has been popular resistance against leaving in the wake of the referendum, and the negotiations have been uncomfortably slow at best; but both the Tories and Labour are insistent on charging ahead with jumping off the cliff because they bragged in front of their friends that they would and mum didn't raise no coward.
Even a soft Brexit is going to set the UK back for a decade or more, I feel. This is all so fucking senseless and as a Canadian I don't understand the mass insanity that's gripped the UK political landscape.
Question: Would this considerably decrease the incredibly high prices in the UK's urban housing market, actually madly increase them, or have little to no effect at all? A friend of mine potentially intent on buying property in England would like to know.
[QUOTE=yeong-ho;53092899]Question: Would this considerably decrease the incredibly high prices in the UK's urban housing market, actually madly increase them, or have little to no effect at all? A friend of mine potentially intent on buying property in England would like to know.[/QUOTE]
On the housing market, probably little to no effect.
I never understood Corbyn's position, and it's going to damage him between now and the next election; why didn't he give Labour MPs a free vote to campaign as they wished, and he himself led the 'Labour Out' campaign? Everyone knows he's a Bennite and has advocated withdrawal from the EU for over 30 years, hence his 'remain and reform' campaign being so lacklustre and embarrassing. His heart wasn't in it, and everyone knows why.
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