DUP MP Sammy Wilson warns Brexit talks may jeopardise DUP-Tory deal - Polidicks

[QUOTE]DUP MP Sammy Wilson has warned that his party's deal to support the Conservative government could be jeopardised by the Brexit negotiations. He said any attempt to "placate Dublin and the EU" could mean a withdrawal of DUP support at Westminster. He was responding to reports of a possible strategy to deal with the Irish border after Brexit.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42179387[/url] 'Strong and stable'.

Not really working out for ya is it DUP :v

As it turns out the Tories are more reasonable than the DUP because there are occasionally cracks in their evil facade. Unacceptable for them. Also scary that the eventual downfall of the Con government might not be their bad practices, but their moments of good.

They don't have the bollocks.

Early election when

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52936572]Early election when[/QUOTE] Hopefully next year.

Somebody give me a quick tl;dr of UK parties? I keep seeing abbreviations but I have no idea what they mean. like UKIP, DUP etc.. I know UKIP are cunts (based on reading news) what else is there?

[QUOTE=arleitiss;52937313]Somebody give me a quick tl;dr of UK parties? I keep seeing abbreviations but I have no idea what they mean. like UKIP, DUP etc.. I know UKIP are cunts (based on reading news) what else is there?[/QUOTE] UKIP is a largely defunct, right wing party who wanted out of the EU. Since we're leaving the EU they don't need to exist anymore and are mostly facing an existential crisis. No one really cares about what their views are on anything else. The DUP are the unionist party from Northern Ireland. They're some strange cult of Queen loving, anti abortion, anti dildo creationists. Their views are hilariously out of the step with the rest of country. I personally don't trust anyone with the word Democratic in their title

Labour - traditionally left wing pro labour union party, drifted to become a centre right neo lib Party under Blair. The new leader corbyn is tryna make it left again. Mps are a mixed bag some being neo lib others being more left wing, lots of division. Mps quitting and going to the backbench (IE still in party but being rebellious) has lead to the cabinet(IE the core group) being fairly inexperienced. Conservative aka tories - fiscally Conservative right wing. Has become increasingly socially Conservative with increased surveillance, arbitrary control (banning of spanking and water sport porn randomly) and playing up the anti immigrant rhetoric. Also very divided some wanting NHS (like ex pm John major) and others being anti NHS (Jeremy hunt) some being pro environment others being anti environment. Generally pro cutting/gutting public services to lower taxes on businesses. The brexit thing is because of them, internal rifts in he party caused Cameron (old pm) to try and unite it. Instead it messed stuff up. It's from here you find gems like Boris Johnson, Liam "British businesses are fat and lazy" fox and Ian Duncan Smith (literally hates disabled/poor people). Liberal Democrats aka libdem - centrists. More left wing than neo lib Labour but more right wing (economically) than current Labour. Pretty cool policies but they continually let down their voters and consequently have marginalised themselves. The big one was 2010when nick clegg (super charismatic leader) promised loads of good stuff (like keeping university at 3k per year) proceeded to make a coalition with the tories and failed to do anything to stop the tories. Then their newer leader stepped down for his views on homosexuals. I'd vote for them if they weren't such a joke. Greens - pro environment, egalitarian. Token hippy party. Shame about their anti nuclear stance and general inability to be taken seriously. Ukip aka UK independence Party - bunch of rebel ex tories set up a radically right wing party. (fiscally and socially) their policies are lowering regulations, leaving EU, increased free trade with world, no more NHS, increased privatisation. They sell this anti populist package to people by wearing Union flag attire, barking about patriotism, dog whistling racism and appealing to British empire nostalgia. Dup aka democratic unionist party - unionist as in pro Ireland being in the UK not pro labour Union. If you hear unionist in the context of Northern Ireland it's probably to UK. Far as I know they're fairly right wing. They were accused of advocating ethnic nationalism (opposition to Irish culture in Ireland). Links to religious conservatism, opposed to lgbt rights and has the support of various terror groups. Also pro royal family. Orange order is also closely associated with these guys and they're v pro security forces (aka British army on streets). Ulster loyalists. Ironically lots of EDL louts come from northern ireland. Sein fein - like the opposite of dup. Pro republican (IE anti royal) favour unification (IE one Ireland). Left wing etc. Also a big party in the Republic of Ireland (IE same party in 2 nations). Due to their pro unification stance they have links to the ira (Irish republican army which was a big terror group albeit with some non violent moderates) and seem to have advocated for violence at times (unlike the SDLP) SDLP - [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_and_Labour_Party[/url] I don't know much bout these guys but they seem peaceful lefties who left their influence. I don't really know enough about northern ireland to give a fair/accurate thingy on it. I get the impression that the radicalism of the past has pushed everything to extremes so the biggest parties are radically for or radically against the union. I looked into it some more and there are other parties but none have anywhere near the influence those two do. Northern Ireland was a mess, it looks nuts now but it used to be far far worse. The fear is this brexit shit will make it bad again. A hard border between North and south would likely tempt people toward unification causing the pro unionist to start their head stomping once again, troubles 2 to start and the Uk armed forces to reoccupy it again. Yuk Speaking of secession: Snp aka Scottish national Party - probably the most unified party currently. Left wing centrist/populatists (as in the real meaning of populist). Support a mixture of increased decentralisation or full of Scotland leaving the UK. Snp is huge in Scotland and their rise was sort of a fall for labour (Scotland being left wing compared to England). On this note both Labour and tories have a Scottish branch of the party which have both been marginalised. Then you got a load of independent/small parties.

[QUOTE]leaving EU, increased free trade with world[/QUOTE] Isn't that kind of... opposite to each other?

[QUOTE=arleitiss;52937401]Isn't that kind of... opposite to each other?[/QUOTE] No, because you see, when we leave the EU and can finally trade by ourselves, some magic happens, and we're better off. Ignore these haters who think leaving the biggest trading bloc in the world won't somehow be the best outcome for our trading opportunities.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;52937401]Isn't that kind of... opposite to each other?[/QUOTE] You have tariffs to protect domestic industry, europe implements shared regulations and standards in lieu of those tariffs. So industries are still protected because their competition are bound by the same rules and restrictions. So free trade ain't necessary. These regulations are obviously expensive. Not only do we have regulations for the product itself but we also have laws protecting the labour, so workers have job security, minimum wage, reasonable hours, reasonable working conditions. If these regulations were relaxed companies could make more (and be more competitive) to the detriment of the workers, who without protection and those standards would have less stable, lower paying, jobs with either unreasonably long hours or 0 hour contracts which they cannot rely upon. Tl;dr of this spiel those regulations are good for the working person. Companies lose out a bit globally but in the free trade zone they're on equal footing. You could leave the EU and relax trade with say China where standards and lower and there are less regulations. To compete we (the UK) would need to drop a bunch of regulations or risk being out competed. If we did lower standards, regulations and relax labour laws our companies could make more money (which is why some companies/industrialists/fat cats, like Dyson who aren't included in free trade, support brexit). Also as a side note if we drop these regulations trade with europe (ie our biggest trade partner) gets awkward. This China analogy is a bit of a strawman since so far as I can tell nobody is outright calling for free trade with China but UKIP does propose a commonwealth free trade zone which would include Canada, Australia, New Zealand (which all have similar standards) but also includes several African countries and India which definitely have FAR lower standards and regulations. Ask yourself to have level would Brits need to lower their labour protection and product regulations to compete with India? Also lots of the Brexit crowd support free trade with America, which is shitty since it would likely involve entering TTIP which not only means our markets are flooded by cheap ass chlorine chicken but would also hand a LOAD of power over to the private sector, giving companies the power to sue our government for a "loss of potential future profit" eg. want to regulate harmful substance? gl m8. Want to restrict where people can smoke? Enjoy your lawsuit. This brand of freer trade which is pushed by the "no deal" type brexit advocates is a race to the bottom, it'll take power, wealth and security away from the workers and the poor, then concentrate it in the company owners and rich. All these assholes need to do to get this is sufficiently disrupt the Brexit process, like whipping up a stink about EU free travel or the "divorce fee" (ie money we already promised to pay and are now trying to renege on) so the talks about free trade cannot start. Also worth a note that lots of people who voted for brexit did so on the belief that we would still be in the single market. And [URL="http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-finds-majority-want-uk-to-stay-inside-the-single-market-2017-8"] 66% of people polled said staying in the single market should be the prime minister's [b]priority[/b][/URL]. So for us to leave the single market and enter the race for the bottom isn't what was sold to us but there's a big chance that it's what we'll get. The mandate had been hijacked and no longer serves the people who gave it.