National Action: 'Leader of neo-Nazi terrorist group' charged with encouragement to murder Labour MP - Polidicks

[t]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/12/14/15/na2.gif[/t] pictured: a flock german history enthusiasts/free thinking intellectuals exercising their right to intimidate passers by [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-leader-christopher-lythgoe-neo-nazi-terrorist-group-banned-incitement-murder-a8021621.html[/url] [quote]Mr Lythgoe, of Warrington, was one of 11 suspects arrested during a crackdown on National Action in September. The organisation became the first far-right group to be banned in the UK last year and its aliases Scottish Dawn and NS131 have since been proscribed. Mr Lythgoe, 31, has also been charged with membership of a terrorist organisation, alongside Garron Helm, of Seaforth, Matthew Hankinson, of Newton-Le-Willows, Andrew Clarke, of Paddington and Michal Trubini, of Warrington. A 22-year-old man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, has been charged with membership of National Action as well as the intention of committing acts of terrorism and threats to kill. [/quote] bla bla freedom of speech bla bla peaceful ideology bla bla alt left worse bla bla bla /s Glad these guys were stopped. Clamp em in irons, clamp all o em in irons, then find other neo nazi groups they're connected with and then clamp them in irons too. Not only will this make our streets safer but it may revitalise our iron industry too!

Such a tragedy that these fine citizens have been arrest, truly we live in an Orwellian nightmare where you can be arrested simply for planning the murder of an MP.

Sounds like they were planning violence on many sides, good thing they got caught [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] Legit though it's good to know far right terror threats aren't being ignored

Where the hell do these people come from?

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;52826733]Where the hell do these people come from?[/QUOTE] Its the logical conclusion of the "we say what we want/fuck political correctness" attitude that has come to define the political right wing both here and in the US. People are willing to defend Nazis if they think it'll piss off the left.

Screw the freedom of speech that the US government upholds, right wing extremist are best in a prison cell. If they want to voice their disgusting ideas, they can do it behind bars.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;52826935]Screw the freedom of speech that the US government upholds, right wing extremist are best in a prison cell. If they want to voice their disgusting ideas, they can do it behind bars.[/QUOTE] Do we have to use this sort of rhetoric? Sure, freedom of speech is limited, for good reason, and there's something to be said about right wing extremism but the issue of the rise of the far right isn't solved by putting more people into jail and alienating people - though there are certainly people who should absolutely go to jail -, it's solved by restoring the people's faith in democracy again.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52826973]Do we have to use this sort of rhetoric? Sure, freedom of speech is limited, for good reason, and there's something to be said about right wing extremism but the issue of the rise of the far right isn't solved by putting more people into jail and alienating people - though there are certainly people who should absolutely go to jail -, it's solved by restoring the people's faith in democracy again.[/QUOTE] I don't care if people aren't happy with how our democratic systems work, if someone is so upset by them that you decide to become a literal nazi then they belong in jail because they clearly don't belong in society. Besides, why is the right wing becoming more and more extreme? The governing political parties in both the US and UK are both right wing, its not like they're some discriminated minority.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52826973]Do we have to use this sort of rhetoric? Sure, freedom of speech is limited, for good reason, and there's something to be said about right wing extremism but the issue of the rise of the far right isn't solved by putting more people into jail and alienating people - though there are certainly people who should absolutely go to jail -, it's solved by restoring the people's faith in democracy again.[/QUOTE] Oh please, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. This is a issue you can never win, unfortunately the only way to prevent bloodshed is to just store them in prison. And finally when they get fired up enough and kill people, are you going to imprison them then?

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52826750]Its the logical conclusion of the "we say what we want/fuck political correctness" attitude that has come to define the political right wing both here and in the US. People are willing to defend Nazis if they think it'll piss off the left.[/QUOTE] Actually people do it because the definition for the word has expanded, and brown-baiting of conservatives is a common and emotionally manipulative means to shut down debate, justify violence, or target an employer. You can thank the left for giving the entire right wing a losing stake in its 'anti-fascism', 70 years after a generation that would he considered far right today defeated hitler. The internet and the growth of government has indeed added an orwellian aspect to political correctness, an institutional ideology meant to adapt to a diversifying population polarizing over certain issues, and globalization shifting the overton window to the left. This puts conservative opinions on the backburner at best, although plenty are seeking to push them out for a 21st century vision for a so-called tolerant society in a form of cultural conflict. You could've made a post about how freedom of speech ends with threats of violence, membership in a terrorist group with a history of it, and so on. Instead, you decided to use a nazi group to take jabs at those concerned with threats to freedom and prove my point. The illiberal right (nazis) is a springboard from which you attack the liberal right (conservatives) for nothing more than having the same relationship to the left, you actually say the former is the outgrowth of the latter here If that was true it'd make more sense to tone down PC and divisive identity politics, because it relies on public tax funds despite running against popular feelings, rather than just try to shame and police all popular conservative opinions for becoming increasingly dissenting.

Why are both extremes so fond of wearing black?

[QUOTE=Conscript;52827140]The internet and the growth of government has indeed added an orwellian aspect to political correctness, an institutional ideology meant to adapt to a diversifying population polarizing over certain issues, and globalization shifting the overton window to the left. This puts conservative opinions on the backburner at best, although plenty are seeking to push them out for a 21st century vision for a so-called tolerant society in a form of cultural conflict[/QUOTE] On this specific point, what kind of timeframe are you talking about here? You talk about the Overton window shifting to the left and conservative opinions going on the backburner, but I don't know what you mean cus there aren't many major developed countries with left-of-centre governments right now and I think most people on the left would say the opposite has happened

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52826686]Such a tragedy that these fine citizens have been arrest, truly we live in an Orwellian nightmare where you can be arrested simply for planning the murder of an MP.[/QUOTE] If he was slightly more driven and probably equally as incompetent he'd have a holiday named after him for failing to bomb parliament. [editline]27th October 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52826993]I don't care if people aren't happy with how our democratic systems work, if someone is so upset by them that you decide to become a literal nazi then they belong in jail because they clearly don't belong in society. Besides, why is the right wing becoming more and more extreme? The governing political parties in both the US and UK are both right wing, its not like they're some discriminated minority.[/QUOTE] They're schrodingers oppressed political minority.

[QUOTE=The Jack;52827291]Why are both extremes so fond of wearing black?[/QUOTE] Looks more intimidating.

[QUOTE=The Jack;52827291]Why are both extremes so fond of wearing black?[/QUOTE] Black has been associated with both anarchists and fascists for a long time.

Yeah I know, black'n red's a fun scheme for both you and your antithesis. Honestly I want them to draft a treaty and work out who gets to wear what colour.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52826993]I don't care if people aren't happy with how our democratic systems work, if someone is so upset by them that you decide to become a literal nazi then they belong in jail because they clearly don't belong in society.[/QUOTE] I agree, I'm not saying don't imprison them, I don't really know what I'm saying to be honest, just ignore me.

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52827297]On this specific point, what kind of timeframe are you talking about here? You talk about the Overton window shifting to the left and conservative opinions going on the backburner, but I don't know what you mean cus there aren't many major developed countries with left-of-centre governments right now and I think most people on the left would say the opposite has happened[/QUOTE] What has actually happened is that globalization has been unfair, increased class divisions has left a lot of people unhappy, especially young people, these people say that they feel like they have no influence in their democracy and poll results are quite terrifying when it comes to wether people actually support democracy or not. People are simply losing their faith in their democratic, political systems. Right-wing populists have gotten considerably clever when it comes to using this along with the rise of the internet, social medias and such to their advantage, encouraging people to think that maybe democracy isn't that great or necessary, that it's weak, etc, just look at Germany in the mid-war period and you'll see basically the same phenomenon. The EU, national governments and especially political parties in general need to get better at reaching out to people and make them feel included in the democratic process, and those of us who realize the dangers of (right wing) populism need to start engaging more in the democratic process.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52827140]:words:[/QUOTE] This is demonstrably BS. Throughout western world center-right parties are in power and leftists are mostly in opposition. This is a notable change to, say, ten years ago. This in addition to far-right parties getting more voice and power, like adding seats in parliaments and getting Brexit through. The "liberal right" is the strongest I can remember, it getting pushed into margins is blatantly false. While i'm reluctant to directly link empowerment of far right directly with rise of moderate right, it's undeniable that far right opinions are FAR more mainstream than they have been in ages. The "left" boogeyman holds little power outside its few bubbles and currently has very little influence in how western government are run. You resort to justifying polarizing opinions by perceived "oppression" by the "left", which is a phenomenon fabricated to feed victim complex of far right, a movement that can not survive without scapegoats and imaginary enemies.

[QUOTE=Conscript;52827140]Actually people do it because the definition for the word has expanded, and brown-baiting of conservatives is a common and emotionally manipulative means to shut down debate, justify violence, or target an employer. You can thank the left for giving the entire right wing a losing stake in its 'anti-fascism', 70 years after a generation that would he considered far right today defeated hitler. The internet and the growth of government has indeed added an orwellian aspect to political correctness, an institutional ideology meant to adapt to a diversifying population polarizing over certain issues, and globalization shifting the overton window to the left. This puts conservative opinions on the backburner at best, although plenty are seeking to push them out for a 21st century vision for a so-called tolerant society in a form of cultural conflict. You could've made a post about how freedom of speech ends with threats of violence, membership in a terrorist group with a history of it, and so on. Instead, you decided to use a nazi group to take jabs at those concerned with threats to freedom and prove my point. The illiberal right (nazis) is a springboard from which you attack the liberal right (conservatives) for nothing more than having the same relationship to the left, you actually say the former is the outgrowth of the latter here If that was true it'd make more sense to tone down PC and divisive identity politics, because it relies on public tax funds despite running against popular feelings, rather than just try to shame and police all popular conservative opinions for becoming increasingly dissenting.[/QUOTE] It's never the fault of the people actually doing bad things to you, is it? It's always the (((intolerant fascist left))).