• American businesses now migrating to Mexico.
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[quote]After years of violence linked to the drugs war there is finally something to cheer about in Tijuana: a successful football team that did not even exist six years ago, a lower murder rate and an economy on the rise.[/quote] [img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67390000/jpg/_67390632_tijuana.jpg[/img] [quote]"So we are migrating all the production we had in China and moving it here. Fifty per cent of what we used to bring from China is now manufactured in this facility." Manufacturing medical supplies is big business in Mexico Tijuana's reputation for violence precedes it, but both the police chief and the mayor say the city is considerably safer than it was two years ago. "The perception has lingered, but our murder rate is down 70% or more," said Mayor Carlos Bustamante. "It's been a combination of citizen participation, the co-ordination with the military and the state and federal government and the cleaning out of the police." Six hundred officers were sacked from Tijuana's police force and the lawyer-turned-police chief Jesus Alberto Capella is now high on the drug cartels' hit list for his fight against corruption. He has 10 bodyguards and receives death threats every day. The violence is still a problem, but the city mortuary is no longer overflowing.[/quote] [img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67390000/jpg/_67390225_tijuanafactory.jpg[/img] [i]Manufacturing medical supplies is big business in Mexico[/i] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22372163[/url] Sounds like the violence, misery, and poverty which has plagued Mexico for so long is finally ending.
Or the media is just not talking about it in fear.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;40541701]Or the media is just not talking about it in fear.[/QUOTE] If this were the case, then why would businesses be relocating to Mexico from China, with the violence rates starting to plummet?
THEY'RE TAKIN OUR JOBS
Fuck outsourcing. My dad had a great job making $16 an hour for 12 years before they shut down the factory and moved it to Mexico. Took him 2 years to finally get another job and it was only $10 with no benefits, which is real shitty for a factory job.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40541712]If this were the case, then why would businesses be relocating to Mexico from China, with the violence rates starting to plummet?[/QUOTE] Busisnesses are relocating since it's cheaper to ship stuff into America from Mexico than China. From Tijuana, you can just rail or truck it to Cali, rather than cross the ocean with it.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40542164]Busisnesses are relocating since it's cheaper to ship stuff into America from Mexico than China. From Tijuana, you can just rail or truck it to Cali, rather than cross the ocean with it.[/QUOTE] I know this. He seemed to be implying that the revival in Mexico was due to Media silence. [editline]6th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Forumaster;40542129]Fuck outsourcing. My dad had a great job making $16 an hour for 12 years before they shut down the factory and moved it to Mexico. Took him 2 years to finally get another job and it was only $10 with no benefits, which is real shitty for a factory job.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately this is how economics works. Competition drives wages, and a lot of countries are clamouring to industrialize and taste the sweet life. Least it raises the living standards of people in poor countries though, and makes our own goods cheaper.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40541634] Sounds like the violence, misery, and poverty which has plagued Mexico for so long is finally ending.[/QUOTE] doubt that very much, mexico is more of a clusterfuck than china was 20 years ago when buisnesses started moving there, the chinese goverment might be corrupt but at least it works, thats something the mexican goverment cant really say right now
[QUOTE=Sableye;40542568]doubt that very much, mexico is more of a clusterfuck than china was 20 years ago when buisnesses started moving there, the chinese goverment might be corrupt but at least it works, thats something the mexican goverment cant really say right now[/QUOTE] Mexican still seems to be operating and improving though. It's not at all at risk of becoming a failed state. Plus democracy is doing reasonably fine there.
[QUOTE=Jund;40541805]THEY'RE TAKIN OUR JOBS[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik[/media]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40542639]Mexican still seems to be operating and improving though. It's not at all at risk of becoming a failed state. Plus democracy is doing reasonably fine there.[/QUOTE] i'll give you that, espeacially since theres a big blending of cultures happening between mexico and america, and the people that go between mexico and america, some of the democracy and want for a better life, and democratic values rub off speaking of which, happy late cinco de mayo, or may 5th
[QUOTE=Jund;40541805]THEY'RE TAKIN OUR JOBS[/QUOTE] They're taking the jobs the chinese took from us when businessmen gave them to them! what assholes!
The corporations will play each worker against the other, that's why they hate it when workers unite in labor unions. The US standard of living costs are much higher than in these other countries, so there's no way American workers can compete without drastically lower pay. What should be happening is a system where if you manufacture it in China, you sell it in China OR you sell it in another country(like the US) for the same low price you'd get if you sold it in China. To charge the US customer a higher price, you'd have to pay the Chinese worker the higher wage, what the US worker would get for manufacturing that item. This way there's no incentive to ship jobs elsewhere, but international business is still allowed. Right now business owners can game the system around the world while providing no benefits to the public, unless you want to call the lowest possible wages benefits.
Hey! This may be a real good thing. With businesses moving to Mexico, we should have less people coming to the US unlawfully.
[QUOTE=Glaber;40543762]Hey! This may be a real good thing. With businesses moving to Mexico, we should have less people coming to the US unlawfully.[/QUOTE] There's already a ton of American companies operating in Mexico. Ford and GM run factories in Mexico to produce their cheap cars (Chrysler mostly just builds their engines in Mexico), and GM builds their enormous body-on-frame SUVs there. Additionally, BMW builds their SUVs in Mexico, though I'm not sure how many they then ship over the border to the US or back over to Europe.
Mexico's problems were all about inter-cartel drug wars, which by definition will eventually end when somebody wins, or all participants agree that the cost of the war is no longer worth it. Everybody say thanks to NAFTA and deregulation for sending our well paid, pensioned jobs to Mexico where they can pay people $5 an hour or less, with no benefits, worker's comp, or anything else that American workers fought long and hard for. And when the day comes that Americans can't buy the products American companies make because wages have stagnated down to nothing, then companies will just sell to China, where the middle class is booming. Impound the untaxed profits that American companies stash overseas, slap a hefty tariff on foreign-manufactured goods, drastically limit the executive-to-worker pay ratio, and pass laws to protect unions and wages will finally go up again, plus we'll have enough money to pay down the deficit and provide healthcare and retirement security to every American. But no, we won't do any of those things. We'll keep eroding American's pay and sending their jobs to other countries, keep cutting what little services and security we get from the government, and keep paying asshole CEOs millions of dollars a year, because rich people are the only people that matter in America.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40544161]Mexico's problems were all about inter-cartel drug wars, which by definition will eventually end when somebody wins, or all participants agree that the cost of the war is no longer worth it. Everybody say thanks to NAFTA and deregulation for sending our well paid, pensioned jobs to Mexico where they can pay people $5 an hour or less, with no benefits, worker's comp, or anything else that American workers fought long and hard for. And when the day comes that Americans can't buy the products American companies make because wages have stagnated down to nothing, then companies will just sell to China, where the middle class is booming. Impound the untaxed profits that American companies stash overseas, slap a hefty tariff on foreign-manufactured goods, drastically limit the executive-to-worker pay ratio, and pass laws to protect unions and wages will finally go up again, plus we'll have enough money to pay down the deficit and provide healthcare and retirement security to every American. But no, we won't do any of those things. We'll keep eroding American's pay and sending their jobs to other countries, keep cutting what little services and security we get from the government, and keep paying asshole CEOs millions of dollars a year, because rich people are the only people that matter in America.[/QUOTE] Whoa there, half of that makes sense, but the rest is all out tinfoil nutjob talk.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40544161]slap a hefty tariff on foreign-manufactured goods[/QUOTE] lmao no, this doesn't work [quote]and pass laws to protect unions and wages will finally go up again, plus we'll have enough money to pay down the deficit and provide healthcare and retirement security to every American.[/quote] Having your cake and eating it?
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