Slenderman stabber ruled as not competent for trial.
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[quote]The judge ordered the girl, Morgan Geyser, to be committed to state's department of health services.
A psychologist who examined Geyser said at the competency hearing the girl may have trouble understanding her crime.
"She presently lacks substantial mental capacity to rationally and factually understand her charge and be a meaningful assistance in her defense," psychologist Brooke Lundbohm testified.
Geyser and Anissa Weier have been charged as adults with first-degree attempted homicide. They are accused of stabbing their classmate 19 times in late May in Waukesha, a western suburb of Milwaukee, the morning after a sleepover. The victim survived the stabbing.
Geyser said during her evaluation that she sees unicorns, has mind control powers and believes Voldemort, a villain in the "Harry Potter" book series, gave her directions and Slenderman is real, Lundbohm testified.
The girls told investigators they stabbed their friend, also 12, to impress Slenderman, a tall, fictional bogeyman popular on the Internet that they insisted was real, according to a criminal complaint.
A status hearing for Weier also was held on Friday.
Wisconsin law requires attempted homicide cases involving suspects at least 10 years old to begin in adult court before attorneys can ask a judge to move the case to juvenile court.[/quote]
[url]http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/girl-12-not-competent-for-trial-in-stabbing[/url]
i cant live without memes
What a crackpot
Good. They clearly did not have a functioning grasp of reality.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45564596]Good. They clearly did not have a functioning grasp of reality.[/QUOTE]
i am seeing this as a quickly made defense to make a story up to save her
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45564620]i am seeing this as a bs attempt to make a story up in her defense[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. If people don't have a properly functioning grasp of reality, they also tend to have a skewed sense of what's right and what's wrong. They may not understand that they were doing wrong in the first place.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45564636]I don't think so. If people don't have a properly functioning grasp of reality, they also tend to have a skewed sense of what's right and what's wrong. They may not understand that they were doing wrong in the first place.[/QUOTE]
you are a doctor and i can respect that, in my perspective this sounds very fabricated, maybe from her parents.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45564620]i am seeing this as a quickly made defense to make a story up to save her[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I mean unicorns? A little on the nose
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45564636]I don't think so. If people don't have a properly functioning grasp of reality, they also tend to have a skewed sense of what's right and what's wrong. They may not understand that they were doing wrong in the first place.[/QUOTE]
but this whole "haha I see unicorns and voldemort and slenderman lol" sounds like some shit a kid who saw too many movies where people plead insanity to not go to prison would make up thinking she's going to get off scott-free
[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;45564695]but this whole "haha I see unicorns and voldemort and slenderman lol" sounds like some shit a kid who saw too many movies where people plead insanity to not go to prison would make up thinking she's going to get off scott-free[/QUOTE]
It is a bit on the nose but people have believed in crazier things. Though I would ask another psychologist to have a go just to make sure she wasn't bullshitting.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45564673]you are a doctor and i can respect that, in my perspective this sounds very fabricated, maybe from her parents.[/QUOTE]
If you read the article, it is a Psychologist who said this, not her parents. Psychologists are people trained for years in understanding how the mind works. It takes a lot to completely and totally fool one. I imagine it is very improbable that a twelve year old girl could convince a psychologist that she was disconnected from reality if she knew what was really happening.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;45564819]If you read the article, it is a Psychologist who said this, not her parents. Psychologists are people trained for years in understanding how the mind works. It takes a lot to completely and totally fool one. I imagine it is very improbable that a twelve year old girl could convince a psychologist that she was disconnected from reality if she knew what was really happening.[/QUOTE]
psychologists arent immune to trickery
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45564620]i am seeing this as a quickly made defense to make a story up to save her[/QUOTE]
lol she's a little kid that attempted to murder another little kid for an internet ghost story
totally not crazy, and it's totally just a defense to save her, yep
I believe in slenderman
but i wouldn't go as far as to stab a friend 19 times to try and become his proxy
[QUOTE=Rubs10;45564856]lol she's [B]a little kid that attempted to murder another little kid for an internet ghost story[/B]
totally not crazy, and it's totally just a defense to save her, yep[/QUOTE]
that can also be called being dumb as a rock
[QUOTE=Rubs10;45564856]lol she's a little kid that attempted to murder another little kid for an internet ghost story
totally not crazy, and it's totally just a defense to save her, yep[/QUOTE]
lol insanity pleas can never be pulled out a respective ass in a pitch to avoid real punishment
totally everyone who ever pulls them insane, yep
I didn't follow the case [I]at all[/I]. So I'm not judging either way as per her own sanity, really.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45564636]I don't think so. If people don't have a properly functioning grasp of reality, they also tend to have a skewed sense of what's right and what's wrong. They may not understand that they were doing wrong in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, she might have issues with secondary sight cortex overlapping at times with primary one,
Aka imagination bleeding out onto her primary sight.
Thought that wouldn't be much of problem since stuff would be controllable and suppressable same as imagination in most cases
Her issues might be even deeper, brain might be for somewhat reason inducing REM Phase alike dreamy things
So subconsciousness projecting things onto the sight (It could aswell result in hypnagonic state from other four senses aswell).
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45564845]psychologists arent immune to trickery[/QUOTE]
From 12 year old girls, pretty close to it, I imagine.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;45564819]If you read the article, it is a Psychologist who said this, not her parents. Psychologists are people trained for years in understanding how the mind works. It takes a lot to completely and totally fool one. I imagine it is very improbable that a twelve year old girl could convince a psychologist that she was disconnected from reality if she knew what was really happening.[/QUOTE]
Psychologists are people, people who work, to earn MONEY. Imagine I hire you to examine defendants for mental illness. You can't just say "He/she is sane" every time. If everyone is sane then what do I need you for? So you have to find some crazy ones once in a while. You can't call the most hated criminals insane, since that would cause public outrage if they get away with it. So you pick the cases that give you the most political cover. For instance, how much public outrage will there be if a young girl is deemed at least temporarily insane? Not much, truth be told a lot of the public wants her to be crazy so the crime isn't so scary. An evil kid is much scarier than a crazy kid.
This is why you can't blindly trust experts. They are in it for the money, if they are making a good chunk of cash as experts they aren't about to risk that by being 100% honest.
[QUOTE=Galen;45564871]I believe in slenderman[/QUOTE]
Then you are prone to believing many insane things. Including "telepathic murder prompts" from slenderman.
Or even a leprechaun telling you to [B]burn the house down[/B].
[video=youtube;hp9K4-DHsBA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp9K4-DHsBA[/video]
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45564845]psychologists arent immune to trickery[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45564957]This is why you can't blindly trust experts.[/QUOTE]
OK did I say either of these things?
No.
What I said was that it wasn't likely. It is completely possible that a twelve year old girl who committed an unthinkably violent act and blamed it on fictional characters telling her to do it is completely sane and a talented enough actor to fool a highly educated person.
I don't get rulings like this, if your delusions are dangerous enough to hurt others, then you should be locked up regardless of whether or not you knew it was right or not.
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Or am I completely misunderstanding what this means?
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45564957]Psychologists are people, people who work, to earn MONEY. Imagine I hire you to examine defendants for mental illness. You can't just say "He/she is sane" every time. If everyone is sane then what do I need you for? So you have to find some crazy ones once in a while. You can't call the most hated criminals insane, since that would cause public outrage if they get away with it. So you pick the cases that give you the most political cover. For instance, how much public outrage will there be if a young girl is deemed at least temporarily insane? Not much, truth be told a lot of the public wants her to be crazy so the crime isn't so scary. An evil kid is much scarier than a crazy kid.[/QUOTE]
Also wow this post is all over the place. First: Psychologists are not highly paid compared to other medical professionals. They are not paid "on commission" to diagnose mental illness. Second: Some of the most violent criminals have been found to be severely mentally ill. It doesn't cause public outrage because most people understand that mental illness is something that happens, even though you seem to doubt it. It does not mean they "get away with it." They are still locked up for life or even put do death despite their mental state. Third: I am confused by your last point. Are you saying that this twelve year old girl is "evil" and that we use the label of mental illness to make ourselves feel better about it? If so, holy shit, I think you understand very little about mental illness.
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[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;45565013]I don't get rulings like this, if your delusions are dangerous enough to hurt others, then you should be locked up regardless of whether or not you knew it was right or not.
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Or am I completely misunderstanding what this means?[/QUOTE]
They aren't saying she should go free. They are saying she isn't fit to stand trial, so she will likely be treated in a locked institution rather than being tried and found guilty and thus put in a correctional facility, or being found not guilty and let go.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;45565013]I don't get rulings like this, if your delusions are dangerous enough to hurt others, then you should be locked up regardless of whether or not you knew it was right or not.
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Yes you are. She's been ruled too mentally unstable to go to trial, contrary to popular belief this defense only very rarely actually works, and when someone is found to be in such a condition they're still taken into custody, just not trial or prison. She's going to a psychiatric institution, and depending on the quality of the facility she'll either undergo proper treatment, or just be kept there for the foreseeable future.
Holy fuck the classmate survived being stabbed [B][I]NINETEEN TIMES?[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45565065]Yes you are. She's been ruled too mentally unstable to go to trial, contrary to popular belief this defense only very rarely actually works, and when someone is found to be in such a condition they're still taken into custody, just not trial or prison. She's going to a hospital's mental ward.[/QUOTE]
You are almost entirely correct except for the very last part. Individuals who commit violent acts and are found not to be competent are put in state institutions rather than psychiatric wards of hospitals.
20 bucks the media will ignore the part where she also thought Voldemort gave her instructions.
I'd say she's not competent enough for a lot of things, standing trial included.
[QUOTE=Galen;45564871]I believe in slenderman
but i wouldn't go as far as to stab a friend 19 times to try and become his proxy[/QUOTE]
I too believe in an abnormally thin man who lives in the woods nailing paper to trees for the sole purpose of scaring people with television static.
[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;45565067]Holy fuck the classmate survived being stabbed [B][I]NINETEEN TIMES?[/I][/B][/QUOTE]
Thank god though. you would be suprised what the human body can take without dying.
Partly why we are able to murder most things on this earth without modern technology.
Also, she should not have a trial but be treated since she is still a child and I do think you can still make her 'normal'
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;45565111]I do think you can still make them 'normal'[/QUOTE]
This is something that I've been thinking about.
What's the record like for violent insanity recovery?
And let's say she's treated successfully. Won't the memory of these events, and the treatment she gets from others as a result, prevent her from fully integrating with society? Won't she always feel alienated and different? Maybe even resent society as a whole?
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