Brexit: Legal steps seek to ensure Commons vote on Article 50 - Polidicks

[quote]A law firm is taking action to ensure the formal process for the UK leaving the EU is not started without an act of Parliament. Mishcon de Reya, lawyers acting for a group of business people and academics, said it would be unlawful for a prime minister to trigger Article 50 without a full debate and vote in Parliament. ... Mishcon de Reya's clients argue that under the UK constitution the decision to trigger Article 50 rests with Parliament. [/quote] Source: [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350[/URL]

What a time to be alive

We know where the vote will go regardless. Though the debate should be good to watch. See if the MPs reflect their electorate.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50642095]We know where the vote will go regardless. Though the debate should be good to watch.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's pretty much going to be a formality. I do hope that the Remain side are vocal in their opposition to it, though. There needs to be some level of accountability. In fact, the entire referendum campaign from both sides was a shambles.

[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50642113]Yeah, it's pretty much going to be a formality. I do hope that the Remain side are vocal in their opposition to it, though. There needs to be some level of accountability. In fact, the entire referendum campaign from both sides was a shambles.[/QUOTE] By saying 'both sides' you're justifying the retards who voted leave. Remain was run badly out of incompetence, leave was run badly out of the willful and malicious intent to deceive people. It's not a 2 sided thing, leave is objectively worse.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50642923]By saying 'both sides' you're justifying the retards who voted leave. Remain was run badly out of incompetence, leave was run badly out of the willful and malicious intent to deceive people. It's not a 2 sided thing, leave is objectively worse.[/QUOTE] You sound like a political ideologue can you provide some 'objective' proof leave is worse? I doubt it... stop using these comparative adjectives if you cant back them up. this is why the stay campaign lost you just sound like a liar or a hack that knows nothing about the subject. Leave did the same at times but stay based their entire campaign on 'it will definitely be worse then staying, we know because trust us'

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50643000]You sound like a political ideologue can you provide some 'objective' proof leave is worse? I doubt it... stop using these comparative adjectives if you cant back them up. this is why the stay campaign lost you just sound like a liar or a hack that knows nothing about the subject. Leave did the same at times but stay based their entire campaign on 'it will definitely be worse then staying, we know because trust us'[/QUOTE] Nobody provides objective truth when I ask for it but hey good luck!

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50643000]You sound like a political ideologue can you provide some 'objective' proof leave is worse? I doubt it... stop using these comparative adjectives if you cant back them up. this is why the stay campaign lost you just sound like a liar or a hack that knows nothing about the subject. Leave did the same at times but stay based their entire campaign on 'it will definitely be worse then staying, we know because trust us'[/QUOTE] nobody reply to this guy with hard evidence he just straight up ignores it

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50643000]You sound like a political ideologue can you provide some 'objective' proof leave is worse? I doubt it... stop using these comparative adjectives if you cant back them up. this is why the stay campaign lost you just sound like a liar or a hack that knows nothing about the subject. Leave did the same at times but stay based their entire campaign on 'it will definitely be worse then staying, we know because trust us'[/QUOTE] Seriously? The fact that day 1 after the referendum they said that the 350 Million was false and that a campaigner for the leave side was using "The people are tired of experts" as a legitimate defense of leave isn't worse? I mean come on.

Makes sense, the referendum was not legally binding and the PM does not have the power to do this sort of thing unilaterally afaik.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50642923]By saying 'both sides' you're justifying the retards who voted leave. Remain was run badly out of incompetence, leave was run badly out of the willful and malicious intent to deceive people. It's not a 2 sided thing, [b][u]leave is objectively worse[/u][/b].[/QUOTE] That's... kind of my point. Remain did a terrible job of making this obvious to the average voter.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;50643186]nobody reply to this guy with hard evidence he just straight up ignores it[/QUOTE] any discussion with him is the precise definition of "arguing with a brick wall", I say without exaggeration that he's the worst poster I've ever seen on Facepunch

Hope MPs have the balls to vote in the interest of the country and not the referendum. A vote months prior doesn't necessarily represent the will of the people at that time. Also the leave vote was a fair part a big fuck you to our own government, not just the EU. If the government actually acknowledges their failings and provides a strong plan for actually helping those austerity fucked over, maybe Leavers will accept staying in the EU.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50642095]We know where the vote will go regardless. Though the debate should be good to watch. See if the MPs reflect their electorate.[/QUOTE] What's the break down by constituency anyway? Quite a few high population areas voted leave but they might not has as many MPs per person. Scotland and NI particularly have more MPs for their population and were close to entirely in.

[QUOTE=Occlusion;50643389]Hope MPs have the balls to vote in the interest of the country and not the referendum. A vote months prior doesn't necessarily represent the will of the people at that time. Also the leave vote was a fair part a big fuck you to our own government, not just the EU. If the government actually acknowledges their failings and provides a strong plan for actually helping those austerity fucked over, maybe Leavers will accept staying in the EU.[/QUOTE] Which one would people take, yet another government plan that will probably get dropped by the next government or bring more austerity because "it has to get worse before it can get better" approach as they have another attempt at cutting the deficit which in all aspects is nothing getting done or leaving the EU. The MPs will be voting in favor of invoking Article 50, this is a formality, this isn't to stop it, its to have a chance to debate it before they vote to invoke.

both sides had abhorrent campaigns lol

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50643420]Which one would people take, yet another government plan that will probably get dropped by the next government or bring more austerity because "it has to get worse before it can get better" approach as they have another attempt at cutting the deficit which in all aspects is nothing getting done or leaving the EU. The MPs will be voting in favor of invoking Article 50, this is a formality, this isn't to stop it, its to have a chance to debate it before they vote to invoke.[/QUOTE] You're the one going with the "it has to get worse before it can get better" Except instead of "Let's increase austerity measures a bit" you're going with "let's tank the entire UK economy" I legit hope they vote against invoking it, seeing as how MPs should sorta kinda MAYBE have, like, the interests of their constituents at heart.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;50643517]You're the one going with the "it has to get worse before it can get better" Except instead of "Let's increase austerity measures a bit" you're going with "let's tank the entire UK economy" I legit hope they vote against invoking it, seeing as how MPs should sorta kinda MAYBE have, like, the interests of their constituents at heart.[/QUOTE] Yet their constituents voted to leave, the only ones I could see standing up are some from less populated areas and Scotland, but even then, this is just for formalities.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50643533]Yet their constituents voted to leave, the only ones I could see standing up are some from less populated areas and Scotland, but even then, this is just for formalities.[/QUOTE] But London, Oxford, and Cambridge (i.e. places with intelligent, informed people who have experienced cultural exchange and are thus not xenophobic idiots) all voted overwhelmingly remain.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50643549]But London, Oxford, and Cambridge (i.e. places with intelligent, informed people who have experienced cultural exchange and are thus not xenophobic idiots) all voted overwhelmingly remain.[/QUOTE] Okay mate I'm xenophobic despite living in one of the most diverse cities in the country. Nice sweeping statement there. You can only be intelligent if you live in a place where remain won guys!

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50643000]You sound like a political ideologue can you provide some 'objective' proof leave is worse? I doubt it... stop using these comparative adjectives if you cant back them up. this is why the stay campaign lost you just sound like a liar or a hack that knows nothing about the subject. Leave did the same at times but stay based their entire campaign on 'it will definitely be worse then staying, we know because trust us'[/QUOTE] Pound plummeting. 60%+ of businesses said it would negatively affect them 25% of businesses said they will stop hiring 5% of businesses said they will cut jobs Many investors reluctant to invest in the UK (see branson stopping plans for making 3k jobs) Many businesses considering leaving for europe (or at least open offices in europe) ~50% of trade reliant on europe free trade 10% of healthcare staff are european trained EU funding for science and research - specifically PHDs A wave of racism and xenophobia following the referendum Unrealistic promises/outright lies made by leave campaign (claim they can get free trade without free movement -lol) Potential for scotland leaving the UK. At least 48% of the country were unhappy with the result from the outset (latest polls put 40% leave, 45% remain, 15% undecided) None of the leave crew having any idea what to do next - they talk about getting a better deal while Farage gloats in european parliament insulting the people we will be relying upon for those deals. Regardless of how the deals are made- if we're not inside the EU we will have less political influence The whole thing has weakened confidence in the UK and reduced stability in europe. Professionals and experts predicted this but in your genius you believed Michael Gove and decided that you too were tired of experts. A nationwide movement of anti-intellectual hysteria. Honestly. Leaving is the objectively worse option. You were sold lies and fairy tales. You scoffed them. Took them deep down your throat with glee. Then stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the shit that followed and the revelation that everything you were sold was a lie and that the people you followed had no idea where they were going. It's a bait and switch. You are the rabbit who fell for the trap and got fucked by the farmers dog. People like you (not sure if you voted) dragged the whole country down with you. Your side were the ignorant/naive/stupid/misinformed/shortsighted majority.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50643420]Which one would people take, yet another government plan that will probably get dropped by the next government or bring more austerity because "it has to get worse before it can get better" approach as they have another attempt at cutting the deficit which in all aspects is nothing getting done or leaving the EU.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but what the fuck does the EU have to do with the austerity measures the UK government put in place? The EU even made a report about those measures being [I]human rights violations[/I], if anything the EU is in the same camp as those who voted leave as a way to protest against austerity. So why the fuck did they vote leave which amounts to telling one of their close allies to fuck off, if not blatant misinformation?

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;50643582]Okay mate I'm xenophobic despite living in one of the most diverse cities in the country. Nice sweeping statement there. You can only be intelligent if you live in a place where remain won guys![/QUOTE] He didn't say literally every single person who doesn't live in those places is xenophobic, he just said that it says something when the areas that have large amounts of highly educated people or have large amounts of cultural exchange all voted remain.

A commons vote would be especially interesting seeing that a 3:1 majority of MPs wanted to Remain. Source: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35616946[/url] It'd come down to whether they change their stance to reflect their electorate. However, I know in Cornwall at least that won't make a difference, as the only one of the six constituencies that had a Remain-backing MP was the only one that had a remain majority (Truro-Falmouth).

My area was 60/40 in but my mp is euro sceptic so I doubt he'll vote against it.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50642923]By saying 'both sides' you're justifying the retards who voted leave. Remain was run badly out of incompetence, leave was run badly out of the willful and malicious intent to deceive people. It's not a 2 sided thing, leave is objectively worse.[/QUOTE] Wew, calling 52% of votes retarded is a bit of a hmmmm........ Generalization of the population. A mentally retarded person probably would not know how to vote or who to vote for my guy [editline]4th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;50643549]But London, Oxford, and Cambridge (i.e. places with intelligent, informed people who have experienced cultural exchange and are thus not xenophobic idiots) all voted overwhelmingly remain.[/QUOTE] Yet more generalizations of the voters who voted against your ideals and won. :cry: [editline]4th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50643600] It's a bait and switch. You are the rabbit who fell for the trap and got fucked by the farmers dog. People like you (not sure if you voted) dragged the whole country down with you. Your side were the ignorant/naive/stupid/misinformed/shortsighted majority.[/QUOTE] Name calling should have been left in kindergarten, but here we are Ojai. [editline]4th July 2016[/editline] I mean, RIP britan but maybe it's time to stop Binning those knives and bin the remains of the glorious British empire that was.

[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50643954] I mean, RIP britan but maybe it's time to stop Binning those knives and bin the remains of the glorious British empire that was.[/QUOTE] Who is Britan and why is he (she?) binning knives? What sort of remains are we talking about? Maps where half the world is coloured pink? .557 lead dum dum bullets? brass clad telescopes? Mini mahogany snuff chests? Ivory statuettes of queen Victoria?

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50643533]Yet their constituents voted to leave, the only ones I could see standing up are some from less populated areas and Scotland, but even then, this is just for formalities.[/QUOTE] Their constituents voted to leave, but it's objectively in their constituents' [B]interests[/B] to remain. It's not a coincidence that the trend with level of education - voting leave is a negative one. i.e The more educated you are, the less likely you are to vote leave. The people who voted to leave are, overwhelmingly, idiots. A Carlin joke I'm gonna paraphrase: "Look at how dumb the average person is, then remember that half the population is even dumber." The "even dumber" is who voted to leave. The people who haven't been educated on the actual consequences of leaving.

it'll really come down to whether MP's are going to vote for what the public (the small 4% lead apparently discounts the entire 48% of people who voted otherwise) want, or what's best for the public or to put it in a better scenario; you go to the doctor complaining about stomach pain. he proscribes you some antibiotics, but then a man with a large following and no medical experience tells you to drink bleach instead. "well" you say "he has a large following, he must be right!" the doctor urges you to listen to reason, but mr. popular tells you that experts are evil and only care about money, so you believe mr. popular, and drink the bleach. when you start shitting blood everywhere, mr. popular is nowhere to be seen. does the doctor a) help you even though you told him moments earlier to get lost or b) let you continue to shit your organs out

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50643987]Who is Britan and why is he (she?) binning knives? What sort of remains are we talking about? Maps where half the world is coloured pink? .557 lead dum dum bullets? brass clad telescopes? Mini mahogany snuff chests? Ivory statuettes of queen Victoria?[/QUOTE] Please focus on all of that while avoiding the fact that you have been generalizing 52% of voters who voted leave as retarded.