Crimea's Russia-Backed Court Issues Arrest Warrant For Crimean Tatar Leader - Polidicks

[QUOTE]court in Russia-annexed Crimea has issued an arrest warrant for the veteran leader of Crimean Tatars, Mustafa Dzhemilev. The Kyiv District Court in Simferopol issued the warrant on January 21 and added Dzhemilev on its wanted list, saying three investigations had been launched into his activities. Details about the charges were not made public. In April 2014, just weeks after Russian annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula, Russian authorities barred Dzhemilev from entering the region for five years.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The 72-year-old Dzhemilev is a well-known Soviet-era human rights activist who served six sentences in Soviet prison camps from 1966 to 1986. [/QUOTE] Relevant: [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By44TzvIYAE_bBU.jpg[/t] [URL="http://www.rferl.org/content/crimea-arrest-warrant-tatar-leader-dzhemilev/27501317.html"]Source[/URL]

Of course the Russians would be after him. Since the dawn of the Tsars, the Russian government has had a strange, genocidal hate for the steppe peoples

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49590573]Of course the Russians would be after him. Since the dawn of the Tsars, the Russian government has had a strange, genocidal hate for the steppe peoples[/QUOTE] it's not hard to see why, the mongols and their like destroyed a few civilizations and butchered millions of people in genocides largely for the fun of it after the steppe peoples were rightfully subdued and tamed in the 17th-19th centuries their danger was finally past - although russia has obviously continued this fight far longer than necessary, to the point where they shit on innocent peoples. i imagine the old hatred of the steppe peoples continues long past the point where they actually ceased to be a danger

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49590616]it's not hard to see why, the mongols and their like destroyed a few civilizations and butchered millions of people in genocides largely for the fun of it after the steppe peoples were rightfully subdued and tamed in the 17th-19th centuries their danger was finally past - although russia has obviously continued this fight far longer than necessary, to the point where they shit on innocent peoples. i imagine the old hatred of the steppe peoples continues long past the point where they actually ceased to be a danger[/QUOTE] Mmm yes, those tatar barbarians. It's a good thing the Russians "tamed" them, since they're dogs, not people. And it is hard to understand why they're still going on genocidal rampages centuries after the fact. It's stupid ethnic hatred is what it is. Thats not understandable, thats straight retarded. During WWII, after Russia recaptured the Crimea, they put thousands of Tatars onto barges and dragged them out to the black sea and sank them. Anyone else got deported to Siberia or thrown into the Gulag system. This shit shouldn't have been happening centuries ago, it shouldn't have happened 70 years ago, and it shouldn't be happening today.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49590664]Mmm yes, those tatar barbarians. It's a good thing the Russians "tamed" them, since they're dogs, not people.[/quote] you don't need to be intelluctually dishonest, i literally said that the russians shit on innocent people (the tatars) and that what they're doing now is unjustified. [quote]And it is hard to understand why they're still going on genocidal rampages centuries after the fact. It's stupid ethnic hatred is what it is. Thats not understandable, thats straight retarded. During WWII, after Russia recaptured the Crimea, they put thousands of Tatars onto barges and dragged them out to the black sea and sank them. Anyone else got deported to Siberia or thrown into the Gulag system. This shit shouldn't have been happening centuries ago, it shouldn't have happened 70 years ago, and it shouldn't be happening today.[/QUOTE] i was giving context to why the ethnic hatred is that intense - for the fact that for a very long time the russians lived in constant fear of the steppe peoples and this mentality still continues on. it's not the days of the horde anymore, but it's the case that their descendants are largely innocent people mistreated by an authoritarian state for the simple fact they are tatars

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49590731] for the fact that for a very long time the russians lived in constant fear of the steppe peoples and this mentality still continues on[/QUOTE] That mentality should have ended when the Muscovite Tsardom overran the leftovers of the Astrakhan and Kazan hordes... In the fucking [I]1550s[/I]. [editline]23rd January 2016[/editline] Context or otherwise, there is no justification past the 1600s for the Russian government's bizarre genocide attempts against innocent populations

He's only recognized by Ukranian side as "crimean" leader, officially he holds no such title, tatar communities on Pennisulia are against him and rather disgusted by his recent activites. He supported energy blockade and called to arm tatars for conflict at Crimea as some guerila forces, no shit he is being threaten like that.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49590738]That mentality should have ended when the Muscovite Tsardom overran the leftovers of the Astrakhan and Kazan hordes... In the fucking [I]1550s[/I].[/QUOTE] It was more the 18th century that the threat from the steppe peoples really ended. the mentality however still continued for much longer partly because some of the nomads in central asia were still running rampant (albeit in a reduced capacity) until the russians finally subjugated them by the 20th century

[QUOTE=karimatrix;49590750]He's only recognized by Ukranian side as "crimean" leader, officially he holds no such title, tatar communities on Pennisulia are against him and rather disgusted by his recent activites. He supported energy blockade and called to arm tatars for conflict at Crimea as some guerila forces, no shit he is being threaten like that.[/QUOTE] [t]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/t] :v:

[QUOTE=karimatrix;49590750]He's only recognized by Ukranian side as "crimean" leader, officially he holds no such title, tatar communities on Pennisulia are against him and rather disgusted by his recent activites. He supported energy blockade and called to arm tatars for conflict at Crimea as some guerila forces, no shit he is being threaten like that.[/QUOTE] So you're suggesting he was encouraging local populace in becoming little green men, in defence of their homes against the Russian invasion?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49590731]you don't need to be intelluctually dishonest, i literally said that the russians shit on innocent people (the tatars) and that what they're doing now is unjustified. [/quote] I'm aware of this but the way you described them is more similar to the way you would describe a feral dog, not people [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49590731] i was giving context to why the ethnic hatred is that intense - [b]for the fact that for a very long time the russians lived in constant fear of the steppe peoples and this mentality still continues on.[/b][/quote] This is hilarious because it's the Crimean Tatars that are living in constant fear of genocide. It's funny how the context you give is an exact parallel to how the Tatars, and to an extent the Ukrainians, live today. The Russians murdered over 6 million Ukrainians in a single year in the 30's, and they murdered thousands of Tatars and deported the rest after WWII, using the Tatar Self Defense battalions as justification. So how do you think these people feel when Russia annexes their homeland, again, and starts to issue warrants for community leaders. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49590731] it's not the days of the horde anymore, but it's the case that their descendants are largely innocent people mistreated by an authoritarian state for the simple fact they are tatars[/QUOTE] Exactly. You can't blame a son for the sins of his father, in this case, his great-x25 grandfather.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49590815]I'm aware of this but the way you described them is more similar to the way you would describe a feral dog, not people[/quote] well their ancestors in the 16th century were pretty savage, but their descendants are harmless these days [quote]This is hilarious because it's the Crimean Tatars that are living in constant fear of genocide. It's funny how the context you give is an exact parallel to how the Tatars, and to an extent the Ukrainians, live today. The Russians murdered over 6 million Ukrainians in a single year in the 30's, and they murdered thousands of Tatars and deported the rest after WWII, using the Tatar Self Defense battalions as justification. So how do you think these people feel when Russia annexes their homeland, again, and starts to issue warrants for community leaders. Exactly. You can't blame a son for the sins of his father, in this case, his great-x25 grandfather.[/QUOTE] i agree

Tatar (as well as Ukrainian) and Russian nationalists are pretty much two sides of the same coin, they're both a problem. It's just a long story of what's essentially ethnic warfare, as conditioned by the nature of the vast and vulnerable lands of eastern europe where rapid expansion is critically necessary, and balkanization is always a concern. I'd give this a glance: [url]https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/geopolitics-russia-permanent-struggle[/url] [img]https://www.stratfor.com/sites/default/files/styles/stratfor_full/public/main/images/Russia-MonoG-Threat.jpg?itok=pEcXmK4D[/img] It's really no coincidence a lot of Russia's historical excesses and expansionist nature align with geopolitical interests. The steppe, the north european plain, and a warm water port are very important to it. Factor in the precedents already set by history and how the Enlightenment & modernization didn't take root as well...and you get bodies. [quote]I'm aware of this but the way you described them is more similar to the way you would describe a feral dog, not people[/quote] That's just kind of the way things were. The Tatars would posit themselves as successors to the golden horde, and along with the mongols helped subjugate east slavic populations. They would have a similar relationship to the Ottoman Empire. Slave raids and tribute stunted growth and the destruction would reach Moscow itself. Ironically were it not for the Russians, the 'Wild Lands' would have never been able to be settled and Ukraine would be much, much smaller (not to mention without the wealthier, industrialized Eastern regions it wants to pony up to the IMF). It's kind of funny that basically because of the USSR that Ukrainian and Tatar nationalists are such buddies now. But that sort of alignment is why I think, as Sobotnik says, the historical animosities remained. This shit just finds fertile ground, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised post-soviet history is nothing to be proud of for anyone involved. WW2 for the USSR was a class-based state trying to transcend national differences having a sort of racial, existential war forced upon it, one with atrocities not exactly unprecedented for the region. It's no surprise to me that the excesses of that reached all spheres of life, from cementing the USSR as a Russian state to ultimately harming pretty much any national group that was nominally anti-communist, anti-Russian, or worse, had collaborated with the nazis. The whole situation was degeneration and breakdown of what was, and it continues to characterize everything. That's the tragedy of the story to me. 20 years earlier Lenin and Bolshevism represented a hope for a national minority like the Tatars. Stalinism, as conditioned by European reaction and ideological crusade, pretty much put an end to that. It's Hitler's enduring victory (and arguably a blessing to the West), to savage the internationalist USSR into something that lends credit to his view of the world and history as a struggle between races and peoples. The first casualty of the bloodlands between Hitler and Stalin was probably the friendship and mutual growth of nations the USSR was supposed be based on.

[QUOTE=AhoyMate;49590769][t]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/t] :v:[/QUOTE] So apparently being Russian automatically nullifies all your statements in regards to defending Russia?

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49591785]So apparently being Russian automatically nullifies all your statements in regards to defending Russia?[/QUOTE] being russian = automatic bydlo putinbot vatnik

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49591785]So apparently being Russian automatically nullifies all your statements in regards to defending Russia?[/QUOTE] karimatrix is known to defend Russia at every turn, at least with regards to Ukraine. He defended them all the way through the annexation of Crimea and through the destruction of MH17. He also cites RT as a source but tells people not to post BBC because it's sensationalist and nationalist.

[QUOTE=AhoyMate;49590769][t]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/t] :v:[/QUOTE] [t]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/tr.png[/t] :v:

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;49590792]So you're suggesting he was encouraging local populace in becoming little green men, in defence of their homes against the Russian invasion?[/QUOTE] We both know Putin is a dick, but that's just not right calling a Crimean takeover as invasion, because crimeans, as any other russian bydlo putinbot vatink, are batshit insanely happy being a part of Putinland. After all, most of the crimean populace is russian.

[QUOTE=vrej;49594314][t]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/tr.png[/t] :v:[/QUOTE] At least I dont support dictators like Erdoğan & Putin and cite their sources here. I could easily share the news that pops up on dailysabah or alike but I'm not a government shill unlike most of the people.

[QUOTE=AhoyMate;49595967]At least I dont support dictators like Erdoğan & Putin and cite their sources here. I could easily share the news that pops up on dailysabah or alike but I'm not a government shill unlike most of the people.[/QUOTE] Most people do in your country though

[QUOTE=vrej;49600978]Most people do in your country though[/QUOTE] Give me a break, that has zero bearing on what AhoyMate says. Many people in the United States support Donald Trump, so does that mean I support him? Of course not.

[QUOTE=vrej;49600978]Most people do in your country though[/QUOTE] Lemme quote that for ya. [QUOTE=AhoyMate;49595967] I could easily share the news that pops up on dailysabah or alike but [B]I'm not a government shill unlike most of the people[/B].[/QUOTE] Right, because I'm responsible for the every act that other individuals commit.

[QUOTE=AhoyMate;49603156]Lemme quote that for ya. Right, because I'm responsible for the every act that other individuals commit.[/QUOTE] So you are saying just because he was from Russia, his statements are invalid. But when I quote that you are from turkey, you tell me that you aren't responsible for what your government does, but he is suppose to be responsible for what his government does? How does that even make any sense?

[QUOTE=vrej;49603510]So you are saying just because he was from Russia, his statements are invalid. But when I quote that you are from turkey, you tell me that you aren't responsible for what your government does, but he is suppose to be responsible for what his government does? How does that even make any sense?[/QUOTE] Mr.Someguy summed it up pretty well for you I guess. [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49594071]karimatrix is known to defend Russia at every turn, at least with regards to Ukraine. He defended them all the way through the annexation of Crimea and through the destruction of MH17. He also cites RT as a source but tells people not to post BBC because it's sensationalist and nationalist.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AhoyMate;49603580]Mr.Someguy summed it up pretty well for you I guess.[/QUOTE] What's is wrong with citing RT news? The western news also lies, but what you meant to say is that most people here on facepunch are from the west, and refuse to listen to anyone that isn't from their area or disagrees with them.

[QUOTE=vrej;49603632]What's is wrong with citing RT news? The western news also lies, but what you meant to say is that most people here on facepunch are from the west, and refuse to listen to anyone that isn't from their area or disagrees with them.[/QUOTE] Nothing's wrong with citing RT. Hell even I do that from time to time but the issue is that him pointing out the western media outlets as liars while stating that RT is a completely reliable source. We both know that most of the media outlets around the world are buncha hypocrites and none of them are completely trustworthy so let's not go there for the sake of the argument.

[QUOTE=vrej;49603632]What's is wrong with citing RT news? The western news also lies, but what you meant to say is that most people here on facepunch are from the west, and refuse to listen to anyone that isn't from their area or disagrees with them.[/QUOTE] They frequently publish [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/sep/21/rt-sanctioned-over-series-of-misleading-articles-by-media-watchdog"]misleading or false stories[/URL], some [URL="https://www.rt.com/usa/toxic-study-gmo-corn-900/"]not even related[/URL] to politics.

[QUOTE=Streecer;49603665]They frequently publish [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/sep/21/rt-sanctioned-over-series-of-misleading-articles-by-media-watchdog"]misleading or false stories[/URL], some [URL="https://www.rt.com/usa/toxic-study-gmo-corn-900/"]not even related[/URL] to politics.[/QUOTE] Western news is biased as well. So it's equal.

[QUOTE=vrej;49604937]Western news is biased as well. So it's equal.[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure this is a fallacy you can't accept both sides as being equally valid.

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;49595456]We both know Putin is a dick, but that's just not right calling a Crimean takeover as invasion, because crimeans, as any other russian bydlo putinbot vatink, are batshit insanely happy being a part of Putinland. After all, most of the crimean populace is russian.[/QUOTE] It's still an invasion against a sovereign nation that had no righteous cause to occur.