Britain could remain in EU as London ‘has no idea’ how to leave – John Kerry - Polidicks

[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/29/john-kerry-brexit-could-be-walked-back-david-cameron"]The Guardian[/URL] [I]US secretary of state expresses doubts over whether Brexit will happen as David Cameron ‘has no idea how he would do it’[/I] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IORlWdc.png[/IMG] In video above, Kerry talks about ways Brexit could be walked back within the next year. [quote]The US secretary of state has raised doubts about whether Brexit will ever happen, suggesting most leave campaigners do not truly believe in Britain’s divorce from the EU and do not know how to achieve it. Claiming there were a number of ways in which Thursday’s vote could be “walked back”, [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/john-kerry"]John Kerry[/URL], who visited Downing Street on Monday, said David Cameron was loth to invoke article 50, the EU exit procedure. He said the British prime minister felt powerless to “start negotiating a thing that he doesn’t believe in” and “[B]has no idea how he would do it[/B]”. Apparently referring to Boris Johnson, [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/28/boris-johnson-tory-leadership-bid-liz-truss"]one of the frontrunners to replace Cameron[/URL], Kerry added: “And by the way, nor do most of the people who voted to do it.”[/quote]

A polite way to say "don't take them seriously, they're not thinking straight"

David Cameron said he's leaving that to his successor.

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;50621274]David Cameron said he's leaving that to his successor.[/QUOTE] Cameron wants to watch the world burn.

It's going to take quite a while to set up what they need to actually negotiate on. But this is new ground, it's not like we have any examples as no one has left the EU since like 1985?.

[QUOTE=Drury;50621277]Cameron wants to watch the world burn.[/QUOTE] He just doesn't want to do it himself.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50621308]It's going to take quite a while to set up what they need to actually negotiate on. But this is new ground, it's not like we have any examples as no one has left the EU since like 1985?.[/QUOTE] Might've been a good idea to make a plan before the referendum huh?

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;50621274]David Cameron said he's leaving that to his successor.[/QUOTE] He already left a legacy as a pig fucker, he doesn't want to be remembered as a country fucker too.

"Psyke! We crashed the stock market for nothing!"

[QUOTE=V12US;50621457]"Psyke! We crashed the stock market for nothing!"[/QUOTE] Just a prank bro

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50621460]Just a prank bro[/QUOTE] [GONE WRONG] [ECONOMIC EXPERIMENT]

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;50621310]He just doesn't want to do it himself.[/QUOTE] Nor does Johnson apparently.

How has the stock market crashed? it took a nice dip, sure, but has already started recovering.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50621708]How has the stock market crashed? it took a nice dip, sure, but has already started recovering.[/QUOTE] The Stock Market for the FTSE100 is actually above the point it was before Brexit but the more accurate FTSE250 is still down IIRC (but not as much as it was)

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50621708]How has the stock market crashed? it took a nice dip, sure, but has already started recovering.[/QUOTE] QE The british people are paying directly for that recovery

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50621714]The Stock Market for the FTSE100 is actually above the point it was before Brexit but the more accurate FTSE250 is still down IIRC (but not as much as it was)[/QUOTE] That's all well and good now, since we're still in the EU, and the single market. Once we leave, if we don't get into the EEA, it's not going to look so rosy.

[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50621766]That's all well and good now, since we're still in the EU, and the single market. Once we leave, if we don't get into the EEA, it's not going to look so rosy.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Look at what's happened since the results, then realise all that happened in reaction to what is essentially a gigantic opinion poll. Now imagine what it would be like if/when the UK actually went/goes ahead with it. yeah, we probably shouldn't go there.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50621762]QE The british people are paying directly for that recovery[/QUOTE] pennies per person. id pay a solid 100 pound a year extra for sovereignty... [editline]30th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50621766]That's all well and good now, since we're still in the EU, and the single market. Once we leave, if we don't get into the EEA, it's not going to look so rosy.[/QUOTE] can you show me what those projections are based on? What ive been getting as a message is that anyone who claims to know what will happen is either a liar or a fool... or both. There is no precedent, and the UK is a large enough econ to stand on itself.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50621868]pennies per person. id pay a solid 100 pound a year extra for sovereignty... [/quote] What sovereignty exactly? We will probably still have free movement and still need to follow EU regulations. [quote] can you show me what those projections are based on? What ive been getting as a message is that anyone who claims to know what will happen is either a liar or a fool... or both. There is no precedent, and the UK is a large enough econ to stand on itself.[/QUOTE] Roughly 50% of the British economy relies directly on EU trade. Some of the remaining percent rely indirectly on trade from the EU. If we aren't in the EU then Tariffs between 4% and 10% will be imposed on our trade and its likely our banks (fuck them but we rely on them) will leave for europe.

I'd still vote remain but if Leave actually had some sort of plan rather than fucking around for a decade then i'd be less unbelievably pissed.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50621868]can you show me what those projections are based on? What ive been getting as a message is that anyone who claims to know what will happen is either a liar or a fool... or both. There is no precedent, and the UK is a large enough econ to stand on itself.[/QUOTE] The report by the Treasury, which prefaces the report with: [quote]The analysis in this document comes to a clear central conclusion: a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession and lead to an increase in unemployment of around 500,000, GDP would be 3.6% smaller, average real wages would be lower, inflation higher, sterling weaker, house prices would be hit and public borrowing would rise compared with a vote to remain. [/quote] [URL]https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/524967/hm_treasury_analysis_the_immediate_economic_impact_of_leaving_the_eu_web.pdf[/URL] [editline]...[/editline] That was the short-term report. The following is the long-term report, which prefaces the report with: [quote]The conclusions of this document are clear: none of the alternatives support trade and provideinfluence on the world stage in the same way as continued membership of a reformed EU; andall of them come with serious economic costs that would affect businesses, jobs, living standardsand our public finances for decades to come. To put it simply, families would be substantiallyworse off if Britain leaves the EU.[/quote] [url]https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/517415/treasury_analysis_economic_impact_of_eu_membership_web.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50621868]pennies per person. id pay a solid 100 pound a year extra for sovereignty... [editline]30th June 2016[/editline] can you show me what those projections are based on? What ive been getting as a message is that anyone who claims to know what will happen is either a liar or a fool... or both. There is no precedent, and the UK is a large enough econ to stand on itself.[/QUOTE] The current market state assumes that we stay part of the single market. This requires we accept free movement, which goes against what most people voted for. If we leave the single market, we will at least lost what we've regained recently and probably a lot more. The best bit is, unless we leave entirely you're paying for the sovereignty but it won't be delivered because Mr Johnson, your delivery driver today, decided he wanted to go home early. This shows how fucking immature the british public are, though: [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmMes4RXEAAXPKb.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50621916]What sovereignty exactly? [/QUOTE] being able to vote in or out democraticly whoever rules me or the laws i need to abide by. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50621916] Roughly 50% of the British economy relies directly on EU trade. Some of the remaining percent rely indirectly on trade from the EU. If we aren't in the EU then Tariffs between 4% and 10% will be imposed on our trade and its likely our banks (fuck them but we rely on them) will leave for europe. [/QUOTE] Its been like that before we were in the EU and our banks did not leave, lets go back to that.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50622043]being able to vote in or out democraticly whoever rules me or the laws i need to abide by. Its been like that before we were in the EU and our banks did not leave, lets go back to that.[/QUOTE] We built up London as the banking centre of Europe, the gateway to the EU since we joined. A lot of these banks are now moving a lot of their operations to Germany, Ireland and France.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50622043]being able to vote in or out democraticly whoever rules me or the laws i need to abide by. [/quote] Councillor - You can't directly vote them out because they are you head of state. Ie same power as your own country does. MEP - You directly elect your constituency's MEP. You can do a vote of no confidence for them to step down - Not sure how this works in your country but in the UK its the same as our normal MPs. Commissioner - You don't directly elect your commissioner but your head of state (representative on the council) puts them forward - this is rather the same as unelected ministers in your own government. Unless belgium has some direct democracy model (which it doesnt) the system in the EU isn't far from the system you and I have in our own countries. You elect a representative then suck it up if they make rules you don't like. Sovereignty is a buzzword with no real meaning. Like when people say the EU is dictatorial, it isn't really but its a word with more feeling than meaning in that context. [quote] Its been like that before we were in the EU and our banks did not leave, lets go back to that.[/QUOTE] Ah so you're a brit? Hmm lets go back to that? Ok lets go back to the 90s an economic golden age! Lets go back to the 60s when afghanistan was peaceful! Lets go back to gold standard! Lets go back to the days before globalisation when your job wasn't under threat. The world has changed. The banks in the UK operate well because they are well situated in the UK but also they have the "EU passport". This would need to be renegotiated - unlikely since the EU want the banks to deal in the Euro to give the Euro more value.

[QUOTE=Drury;50621277]Cameron wants to watch the world burn.[/QUOTE] Cameron would be the kid with glasses in a Spielberg movie who gets dragged into everything by his friends. "I- I didn't want to light the world on fire they made me do it!"

Just for people who didn't know. [QUOTE]HSBC rules out leaving London after Brexit vote[/QUOTE] [URL]https://next.ft.com/content/755c036b-9d99-3ad3-a240-8e5cf5f48045[/URL] Funny part, if it was to move, it wouldn't be Europe, but Hong Kong.

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50622135]Just for people who didn't know. [URL]https://next.ft.com/content/755c036b-9d99-3ad3-a240-8e5cf5f48045[/URL] Funny part, if it was to move, it wouldn't be Europe, but Hong Kong.[/QUOTE] Still a chance we won't leave. And if we do theres a reasonable chance we'll get in the EEA ie get that "bank passport". So moving now would be premature.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50622153]Still a chance we won't leave. And if we do theres a reasonable chance we'll get in the EEA ie get that "bank passport". So moving now would be premature.[/QUOTE] They knew what would happen if the people chose to leave. There no chance, leaving the EU, full steam ahead. All Hail Britannia. [QUOTE=Vodkavia;50622173]I hope the EU doesn't give the UK special treatment post brexit; they already had fucking special treatment to begin with.[/QUOTE] Considering the French Finance Minister broke ranks, they will.

Jesus christ this Brexit is such a colossal shitshow...