Le Pen to push for 'Frexit' if EU refuses to cede powers - Polidicks

[quote]Paris (AFP) - French far-right leader Marine Le Pen pledged Friday she would campaign for France to leave the EU unless Brussels agreed to return full powers to control immigration and economic policy to member states. The presidential candidate has promised if elected in May to dump the euro and organise a Brexit-style referendum on France's membership in the European Union.[/quote] [url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/le-pen-push-frexit-eu-refuses-return-key-133007222.html[/url]

On one hand, Im glad this is happening. The more fucked up the world is, the more jobs consulting will have. On the other hand, it fuck ups my chances of enjoying europe once I migrate to Germany. So....fuck off Le Pen. She justs wants to ride on the nationalist worries and nothing more. Either the socialists solve the inmigration/refugee problem now or they may face a brexit public opinion situation. Ffs, AfD won what? Like 25% in some places of eastern germany by just yelling against refugees and EU in general. Thaanks SPD and Angie for being passive idiots.

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-22/le-pen-struggling-to-fund-french-race-after-russian-backer-fails[/URL] [QUOTE]National Front leader Marine Le Pen is struggling to raise the 20 million euros ($21 million) she needs to fund French presidential and legislative campaigns in 2017 after the party’s Russian lender failed, the party treasurer said. The Central Bank of Russia revoked the license of the National Front’s Moscow-based lender First Czech Russian Bank OOO in July and the party has still to find another backer, according to treasurer Wallerand de Saint Just. Saint Just said he’s seeking international financiers in countries including Russia because French banks have refused to fund his party. Marine Le Pen at her campaign headquarters in Paris.Photographer: Christophe Morin/Bloomberg “The loss of the FCRB was a hard blow for us,” Saint Just said in a telephone interview. “The Russia loan was a stable resource. Now we are still searching for loans.” Le Pen’s ties with Russia have come under scrutiny in recent weeks amid reports that the CIA concluded that President Vladimir Putin directed hackers to buoy the candidacy of Donald Trump in the U.S. Le Pen is running second in the race to become France’s next president and is openly supportive of Putin’s military operations in Syria and his annexation of Crimea.[/QUOTE] Oh hi again, Russia. You're starting to get around, aren't you? It's becoming more and more apparent that a lot of anti-EU and the rise of far-right sentiment is stemming from Russian interests. Props to Putin for figuring out how to play the West like a fiddle.

im not even sure how france could exit the EU, like wouldnt most of their huge military and civilian equipment manufacturers be totally fucked since theyve been a strong proponent of a multinational supply chain. britain is already kind of sort of fucked but they are geographically isolated. well if they did have a rediculous frexit, then i'd better start buying up boeing stock because airbus would be totally fucked by this

If France leaves, the EU is basically dead. The only major player left would be Germany.

[QUOTE=1239the;51643425][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-22/le-pen-struggling-to-fund-french-race-after-russian-backer-fails[/URL] Oh hi again, Russia. You're starting to get around, aren't you? It's becoming more and more apparent that a lot of anti-EU and the rise of far-right sentiment is stemming from Russian interests. Props to Putin for figuring out how to play the West like a fiddle.[/QUOTE] The FPÖ (incredibly dumb far right party in Austria) is also in bed with Russian "sponsors".

I would love to see France dump the Euro for shits and giggles. Go back to the Franc and enjoying watching people leave manufacturing to Germany.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51643631]I would love to see France dump the Euro for shits and giggles. Go back to the Franc and enjoying watching people leave manufacturing to Germany.[/QUOTE] France leaving would be a bigger shitfest than us leaving to be honest, the EU would be hurt real bad. Now if both the UK and France leave, yeah I don't really see where its going to end up going, they'll lose one of the biggest bankers and pretty much the manufacturing central of the EU. Honestly don't see this happening but if it does, its gonna be a hell of a ride specially considering theres a lot of anti-eu stuff being pushed in France as of late.

What if all these countries leave the EU, but only end up creating their own right-wing union.

[QUOTE=Megadave;51643740]What if all these countries leave the EU, but only end up creating their own right-wing union.[/QUOTE] UK and France form the axis. Inverse world war 3 with Germany spearheading the allies.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51643426]im not even sure how france could exit the EU, like wouldnt most of their huge military and civilian equipment manufacturers be totally fucked since theyve been a strong proponent of a multinational supply chain. britain is already kind of sort of fucked but they are geographically isolated. well if they did have a rediculous frexit, then i'd better start buying up boeing stock because airbus would be totally fucked by this[/QUOTE] You think that's bad? Our own right-wing twatmackerel wants to push for the Netherlands to exit the EU. You know, a country that is the 7th biggest export country in the world and whose top export destinations are all in the EU, with the exception of the UK. Because that country should definitely leave.

Good this federalization of the EU should be stopped, so we can go back to a union based around trade. As for Russia we got something else for that its called NATO and that worked fine so far.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51644292]UK and France form the axis. Inverse world war 3 with Germany spearheading the allies.[/QUOTE] Goddamn talk about an ironic shit show that would be worst part is both the UK and France would most likely have the racist attributes given the rise of far rigth nationalism lately

I wonder how we would hold up in today's world if there was no more European Union.

isn't the EU generally pretty well-liked in France, or am i thinking of somewhere else?

[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51644308]Good this federalization of the EU should be stopped, so we can go back to a union based around trade. As for Russia we got something else for that its called NATO and that worked fine so far.[/QUOTE] Guess what, it worked because of US. And US is planning to leave NATO.

[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51644308]Good this federalization of the EU should be stopped, so we can go back to a union based around trade. As for Russia we got something else for that its called NATO and that worked fine so far.[/QUOTE] NATO is a military defense alliance, it only works in stopping Russia from starting a war with NATO, it can't do shit about Russia politically influencing countries, why would Russia attack NATO when it can just nurture leaders in NATO countries that will do what Russia wants instead.

[QUOTE=MarcusSmith;51644467]Guess what, it worked because of US. And US is planning to leave NATO.[/QUOTE] That most likely wont happen, Trumps comment was more linked to the fact that European countries are not pulling there weight when it comes to there contribution to NATO. [QUOTE=Electrocuter;51644487]NATO is a military defense alliance, it only works in stopping Russia from starting a war with NATO, it can't do shit about Russia politically influencing countries, why would Russia attack NATO when it can just nurture leaders in NATO countries that will do what Russia wants instead.[/QUOTE] Your not going to combat politically influence by forcing this European identity on to people by way of further federalization of the EU. This is due to people still identify there national identity over the European identity. [IMG]https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/577293514321f16c018b4828-960/european-identity.png[/IMG] [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com.au/survey-data-on-how-europeans-identify-themselves-2016-6"]http://www.businessinsider.com.au/survey-data-on-how-europeans-identify-themselves-2016-6[/URL] In fact i am convinced that you are going to create a lot more dissent among European citizens which will only make politically influence of Russia that more effective.

France, I know you're always trying to one up us with the whole historical rivalry thing, but this one you can sit out. Hopefully France champions reforms inside the EU, like what we should have done, instead of deciding to leave.

Hope my proxy vote works out come May. Kinda weird not being able to vote myself for my first presidential election. I'm not very optimistic, chances are we'll have to choose between Le Pen and the French equivalent of the British conservative party.

[QUOTE=_Axel;51644655]Hope my proxy vote works out come May. Kinda weird not being able to vote myself for my first presidential election. I'm not very optimistic, chances are we'll have to choose between Le Pen and the French equivalent of the British conservative party.[/QUOTE] I know strategic voting sucks, but at least this time you can put your vote down without any remorse.

[QUOTE=1239the;51643425][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-22/le-pen-struggling-to-fund-french-race-after-russian-backer-fails[/URL] Oh hi again, Russia. You're starting to get around, aren't you? It's becoming more and more apparent that a lot of anti-EU and the rise of far-right sentiment is stemming from Russian interests. Props to Putin for figuring out how to play the West like a fiddle.[/QUOTE] It always made more sense to approach things from this method: rather than outright conflict, take down other countries from within. I wonder sometimes when I look back at our history when we had accusations of Communist subversion plots here in the United States how many of them were in fact true. In any case, this is how wars of the future will be conducted: infiltration and subversion, terrorism, assassination, and manipulation. Two can play at that game, and we're going to have to hurry up here in the West and start doing the same if we intend to survive this. The people who say, "I don't want another Cold War," are pitifully behind; it never ended-- the names and the ism changed, but Russia remains our nemesis. You also shouldn't want to see your governments subverted... unless there's something wrong with you. We're also going to have to start cracking down on people like Le Pen and her cronies. "Yeah we took loans from Russia, and we're kiss-asses for Putin." Thanks for flat-out admitting that you're traitors. Now we have a justified reason to get rid of you. Seriously, we can't keep letting this shit happen.

[QUOTE=Govna;51644684]In any case, this is how wars of the future will be conducted: infiltration and subversion, terrorism, assassination, and manipulation. [/QUOTE] This is the future.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;51644487]NATO is a military defense alliance, it only works in stopping Russia from starting a war with NATO, it can't do shit about Russia politically influencing countries, why would Russia attack NATO when it can just nurture leaders in NATO countries that will do what Russia wants instead.[/QUOTE] I once said here that the best way to deter russia would be to federalize the EU even more because they spent on psyops and intelligence operations....more bang for the buck, and with fragmented intelligence agencies it becomes a complete problem. This only proves my point even more

If France exits the EU, Spain and Portugal will be isolated by land. And for the transport trucks that means more tolls. And that's not good.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51645326]Schengen is a thing[/QUOTE] What if they don't rejoin Schengen for whatever reason or leave it (is it explained anywhere if you can leave Schengen, or if you leave it when you leave the EU, or is it a separate thing?) ?

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51645326]Schengen is a thing[/QUOTE] That only happened because everything was holly-jolly and right-wingers weren't circlejerking each other.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51644292]UK and France form the axis. Inverse world war 3 with Germany spearheading the allies.[/QUOTE] Don't forget the usa. Usa France Russia and uk deporting and being violent to muslims, for some reason going to war with germany. germans going "oh god not again"