Editor Of Bangladesh's Only LGBT Magazine Is Hacked To Death - Polidicks

[quote]A gay rights activist and his friend were killed Monday night in Bangladesh's capital, Dhaka, by a group of assailants reportedly armed with machetes and guns. Their deaths are the latest in "a series of attacks on progressive voices that has deepened anxiety about growing fundamentalism in the tiny Muslim country, which borders India," NPR's Julie McCarthy tells our Newscast unit. Xulhaz Mannan and a man said to be a close friend were slain by a half-dozen men posing as couriers when they forced their way inside Mannan's apartment, Julie reports. ... An al-Qaida-linked group said it was responsible for the two killings. The Associated Press reports that "the claim by Ansar-al-islam — which said it targeted the two men on Monday night because they were 'pioneers of practicing and promoting homosexuality' — raised doubts about Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's repeated assurances that authorities have the security situation under control." ... [I]The Wall Street Journal[/I] [URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/26/475717047/Abdur Rahim, the caretaker of the six-story building in which Mr. Mannan lived, said two young men posing as couriers entered Mr. Mannan's first-floor apartment on Monday evening. Four other men then followed them into the apartment."]spoke with an employee[/URL] at Mannan's apartment building about what happened there: "Abdur Rahim, the caretaker of the six-story building in which Mr. Mannan lived, said two young men posing as couriers entered Mr. Mannan's first-floor apartment on Monday evening. Four other men then followed them into the apartment. " 'We heard shouts and then loud bangs,' Mr. Rahim said. "Mr. Rahim said building guards and a police patrol tried to stop the group as they tried to escape after the killing. The killers escaped by firing shots that injured a policeman and a building guard, Mr. Rahim said."[/quote] [URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/26/475717047/editor-of-bangladeshs-only-lgbt-magazine-is-hacked-to-death"]Source[/URL] Over 20 such secular bloggers have been murdered by Islamists since 2013.

Bloody hell,another one of these?

I can't be the only one getting sick and tired of hearing the same old same old, right? At what point do we finally, universally declare Islam a blight upon the Earth? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=staticman;50208815]I can't be the only one getting sick and tired of hearing the same old same old, right? At what point do we finally, universally declare Islam a blight upon the Earth?[/QUOTE] Because all people that practice Islam are terrorists right?

[QUOTE=staticman;50208815]I can't be the only one getting sick and tired of hearing the same old same old, right? At what point do we finally, universally declare Islam a blight upon the Earth?[/QUOTE] Ah, yes. Ansar al-Islam, the mainstay ambassador of the 1.6 billion person Muslim population of Earth

It isn't much of a surprise when Pew polls show that even 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished. I wonder how high those percents are in Bangladesh. Maybe these people aren't meant for western free society.

[QUOTE=staticman;50208815]I can't be the only one getting sick and tired of hearing the same old same old, right? At what point do we finally, universally declare Islam a blight upon the Earth?[/QUOTE] Stop it

[QUOTE=staticman;50208815]I can't be the only one getting sick and tired of hearing the same old same old, right? At what point do we finally, universally declare Islam a blight upon the Earth?[/QUOTE] Im with you brother. Islam is just a barbaric un peaceful religion as far as I can tell, and from reading all of the Muslim opinion polls. They even tried to take over the western world back in the 1100s, and thats why the European countries had to fight the crusades. It's like we have to fight a new crusades again today! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling/Threadshitting again straight after a ban" - Novangel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50209108]It isn't much of a surprise when Pew polls show that even 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished. I wonder how high those percents are in Bangladesh. Maybe these people aren't meant for western free society.[/QUOTE] There's the 39%. Christianity by the literal text is quite horrible too, but most modern Christians leave other people well enough alone.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50209202]There's the 39%. Christianity by the literal text is quite horrible too, but most modern Christians leave other people well enough alone. Good to know Christianity never spread itself through violent conquest[/QUOTE] matt_caster is a troll alt

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50209202]There's the 39%. Christianity by the literal text is quite horrible too, but most modern Christians leave other people well enough alone. Good to know Christianity never spread itself through violent conquest[/QUOTE] The crusades were a defensive war to stop the Muslims from taking over the western world, dude. It's not the literal text Im judging them on, it's the opinion polls. But also, the text of the Quran is much more violent and dysfunctional than the bible. I'd say I agree with most of the bible, but if you turn to any random page of the Quran it's all about "kill this guy" "kill that non believer" "stone people to death"

[QUOTE=bitches;50209219]matt_caster is a troll alt[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's why I took out the second part but wasn't quite sure about the first. I think that's more satire than trolling

[QUOTE=Reaper297;50209084]Because all people that practice Islam are terrorists right?[/QUOTE] While this is definitely not true, moderate Muslims worldwide are still, on average, much more extreme than moderates from other similarly large religions worldwide. It's a touchy subject, but one that really needs to be discussed if we're going to collectively move forward as a species. There are a large number of people who want equality in all forms; we want western ideals to reign supreme, yet we also want for people of all creeds to be able to follow their religious and cultural doctrines without persecution. We want the end goal so badly that we refuse to even discuss what happens when these very religious and cultural beliefs are directly against the grain of western ideals on a perceptibly large scale, instead accusing each other of being culturally insensitive, or worse yet, racist. Equality in all forms is a lovely notion, but it may turn out that the differences between certain cultures are just too great to ever be reconcilable with a notion of absolute equality.

This is a huge fucking problem that needs to be solved,Ignorant Muslims believe it is even more blasphemous to leave Islam or dare disobey god by 'being' homosexual which ends up endangering those who are unlucky enough to be caught as either one in a Muslim majority area with hardcore radicals wanting to cause harm in their attempt to prove that they are holy warriors.Like holy shit,you ever wonder why there are way way less people who declare apostasy from Islam? This is why

What about Tunisia then?

[QUOTE=Reaper297;50209084]Because all people that practice Islam are terrorists right?[/QUOTE]Note how he didn't say Muslims are a blight on the Earth, which is what you're talking about. We come from a country where it's recognized that everyone has a right to practice their own religion, I support that, I'm pretty sure you support that as well. However, at the same time criticism of that religion's bad apples, [I]no matter how many or few they are in number,[/I] is also a right and criticism of the religion itself is included in that. I've cited plenty of examples of why Islam is violent at it's core and that Islam itself is a blight on the planet but I also don't believe Muslims should be persecuted for believing in it, that's just as abhorrent as persecuting an editor of a LGBT magazine for homophobic reasons.

Poor thing, his firewall must have been disabled for such a deadly hack to occur. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb snipe" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Reaper297;50209084]Because all people that practice Islam are terrorists right?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Milkdairy;50209095]Ah, yes. Ansar al-Islam, the mainstay ambassador of the 1.6 billion person Muslim population of Earth[/QUOTE] The strawmen commeth. [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;50209202]There's the 39%. Christianity by the literal text is quite horrible too, but most modern Christians leave other people well enough alone.[/QUOTE] Exactly. If Christianity was producing problems anywhere close to the scale Islam is today we would all be criticizing it much more. But its not.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;50209202]There's the 39%. Christianity by the literal text is quite horrible too, but most modern Christians leave other people well enough alone.[/QUOTE]Except it's not. I've discussed this before. [QUOTE=Pantz Master;50209821]Exactly. If Christianity was producing problems anywhere close to the scale Islam is today we would all be criticizing it much more. But its not.[/QUOTE]It's not because Christianity isn't based around a belligerent asshole who managed to somehow get kicked out of the most cosmopolitan city in the Middle East. Instead Christianity is a religion based around the teachings of a glass-half-full hippie with a messiah complex; they're polar opposites on several very important things. One of the most important differences is if you insult Jesus there isn't a fetishistic need to defend him, meanwhile if you merely draw Mohammad there will be "moderate Muslims" who will sincerely consider killing you for it.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50209821]The strawmen commeth. [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] Exactly. If Christianity was producing problems anywhere close to the scale Islam is today we would all be criticizing it much more. But its not.[/QUOTE] "The strawmen cometh" says the poster as he reads through his fallacy handbook. The dreaded strawman! Now he will never have to address these posters' arguments, because they are invalidated! Quality posting from you, sir. At least in my blatant sarcasm I still managed to actually make a point - tell me, in what capacity does the actions of an actual terrorist faction represent the majority of muslims? And given that you made it apparent this is your belief, why didn't the many scores of muslims living around this LGBT publication lynch him well before the agents of Ansar al-Islam did? Surely if the majority of Muslims align towards the more fundamentalist side of Islam then they would've collectively antagonized this man and eventually killed him or at least severely bloodied him.

Around here radical Christians are known to be a median age of 70 years old and no one is safe from being annoyed incessantly by their nagging. It's a blight to the midwest.

[QUOTE=clutch2;50210107]Around here radical Christians are known to be a median age of 70 years old and no one is safe from being annoyed incessantly by their nagging. It's a blight to the midwest.[/QUOTE] Fortunately, the West has a fair shortage of volatile, conservative cultures with little to no national identity. Perhaps if the USA suffered a coup every 3 years and being an American actually meant nothing Christians would then be more devout and more fundamental.

[QUOTE=sltungle;50209283]While this is definitely not true, moderate Muslims worldwide are still, on average, much more extreme than moderates from other similarly large religions worldwide. It's a touchy subject, but one that really needs to be discussed if we're going to collectively move forward as a species. There are a large number of people who want equality in all forms; we want western ideals to reign supreme, yet we also want for people of all creeds to be able to follow their religious and cultural doctrines without persecution. We want the end goal so badly that we refuse to even discuss what happens when these very religious and cultural beliefs are directly against the grain of western ideals on a perceptibly large scale, instead accusing each other of being culturally insensitive, or worse yet, racist. Equality in all forms is a lovely notion, but it may turn out that the differences between certain cultures are just too great to ever be reconcilable with a notion of absolute equality.[/QUOTE] Okay. I'm not disagreeing with you. My point however was that we can't judge the group as a whole for the actions of a few extremists. [QUOTE=The golden;50209520]No. But the countries which follow it are pretty much all horiffic destitute shitholes with catastrophically bad human rights records. And any country that *might* have been doing fine pretty much goes down the sewer pipes the moment Islam gets into government.[/QUOTE] Perhaps the problem here lies in the fact that the religion is getting mixed up with politics. Granted that is not an easy fix considering religion seems to be pretty embedded in Middle Eastern culture, but removing religion from politics could be a good start along with providing decent education to the people. Of course that doesn't mean shit if the leadership is a corrupt government that doesn't give a damn about the population in general and seeks to further their own goals and ideals. [QUOTE=The golden;50209520]Yell at me all you want and say whatever you want but I think any person who thinks something good will come from that religion is seriously kidding themselves.[/QUOTE] Every religion has good and bad. If you focused solely on all the bad, you could say the same for most religions. There are still good people that practice religion though. People that go out of their way to help their fellow man regardless of what religion they practice, their race, or their sexual orientation.

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;50210061]"The strawmen cometh" says the poster as he reads through his fallacy handbook. The dreaded strawman! Now he will never have to address these posters' arguments, because they are invalidated! Quality posting from you, sir. At least in my blatant sarcasm I still managed to actually make a point - tell me, in what capacity does the actions of an actual terrorist faction represent the majority of muslims? [B]And given that you made it apparent this is your belief[/B], why didn't the many scores of muslims living around this LGBT publication lynch him well before the agents of Ansar al-Islam did? Surely if the majority of Muslims align towards the more fundamentalist side of Islam then they would've collectively antagonized this man and eventually killed him or at least severely bloodied him.[/QUOTE] Do you not know what a strawman is? I'm not going to defend claims I haven't made. Where did you divine this statement from? As for the rest of your post, nobody claimed every Muslim in Bangladesh is homophobic. And just because many more Muslims are more fundamentalist than other religious people, that doesn't mean they "would've collectively antagonized this man and eventually killed him or at least severely bloodied him." Nobody is saying this, you just made that up, aka strawmanned again. [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Reaper297;50210133]Okay. I'm not disagreeing with you. My point however was that we can't judge the group as a whole for the actions of a few extremists.[/quote] This has happened over 20 times in less than 3 years. Its not just a few extremists. Show me another religion that is doing this. [quote]Perhaps the problem here lies in the fact that the religion is getting mixed up with politics. Granted that is not an easy fix considering religion seems to be pretty embedded in Middle Eastern culture, but removing religion from politics could be a good start along with providing decent education to the people. Of course that doesn't mean shit if the leadership is a corrupt government that doesn't give a damn about the population in general and seeks to further their own goals and ideals.[/quote] That is one of the huge problems with Islam that religions such as Christianity and Judaism do not suffer from. The marriage between mosque and state is a unique problem to Islam. [quote]Every religion has good and bad. If you focused solely on all the bad, you could say the same for most religions. There are still good people that practice religion though. People that go out of their way to help their fellow man regardless of what religion they practice, their race, or their sexual orientation.[/QUOTE] This is a meaningless statement. We're talking about the fact that there are millions of more Muslims than any other religion on offer today who practice the "bad" parts of their religion. Sure, I would even say the Bible is worse than the Quran when it comes to the "bad" parts. But that's obviously not the whole story when Christians aren't causing nearly as much damage in the world today.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50210231]I would even say the Bible is worse than the Quran when it comes to the "bad" parts. But that's obviously not the whole story when Christians aren't causing nearly as much damage in the world today.[/QUOTE] If the christian faith is worse by scripture yet better in behaviour, why are you blaming behaviour on scripture rather than those engaging in this violence (who, if it turns out as you just said are following a religion with less "bad parts", would surely then be committing violence for reasons other than scripture)?

[QUOTE=bitches;50210278]If the christian faith is worse by scripture yet better in behaviour, why are you blaming behaviour on scripture rather than those engaging in this violence (who, if it turns out as you just said are following a religion with less "bad parts", would surely then be committing violence for reasons other than scripture)?[/QUOTE] Just because there are less of the bad parts doesn't mean certain parts of the book aren't far worse. For Christianity in particular, most of the bad parts in the Bible come from the Old Testament which many Christians ignore.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50210301]Just because there are less of the bad parts doesn't mean certain parts of the book aren't far worse. For Christianity in particular, most of the bad parts in the Bible come from the Old Testament which many Christians ignore.[/QUOTE] That's not what you just said. You just said that the christian bible "is worse than the Quran". Many christians ignore the parts of the scripture that conflict with their own social values, for example ignoring the Old Testament if they feel it is too restrictive or irrelevant, while others still cling to those beliefs. The unifying factor is the christian religion, but the practitioners only differ due to non-religious factors. Similarly, many followers of the Islamic faith denounce violence and others (typically in other geographic regions) do not. This demonstrates that it is not the religion that humans follow, but their cultures, which are affected not only by their religions.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50210231]Do you not know what a strawman is? I'm not going to defend claims I haven't made. Where did you divine this statement from? As for the rest of your post, nobody claimed every Muslim in Bangladesh is homophobic. And just because many more Muslims are more fundamentalist than other religious people, that doesn't mean they "would've collectively antagonized this man and eventually killed him or at least severely bloodied him." Nobody is saying this, you just made that up, aka strawmanned again. [/QUOTE] You've actually got a fairly good point in that I failed to differentiate between a judgment on the religion itself and a judgment on its adherents, though you can't just sit here and pretend like I'm tackling a false issue when Islam is as much a way of life as it is a faith. On the note of that quote from my post, it was just a rhetorical question to further my point that Islam as a whole is not the cause of this incident. Staticman was clearly implying that Islam as a whole is the root evil behind it, not just fundamentalist salafi bullshit that is typical of Ansar al-Islam (an al-Qaeda affiliate no less) "I can't be the only one getting sick and tired of hearing the same old same old, right? At what point do we finally, [B]universally declare Islam a blight upon the Earth?[/B]" This is in all essence a call to declare the way of life for over a billion people a "blight upon the earth" - All Muslims are adherents to Islam by definition, thus the poster has implied that all Muslims are adhering to a faith that is objectively bad for the world and are in extension bad themselves for doing such a detestable thing. He did not say "when are we going to universally declare Islamic fundamentalism as a blight upon the earth" - He said Islam. The faith of over a billion people. Still, I'll give you that I should've been more aware of what is actually being said, and I should've not went off on you in the way I did because that post of mine was actually kind of ridiculous and hot-tempered. Anyways, it's clear there are multiple goal posts in this thread. I've contended that someone else has attacked all muslims - Let's be honest Staticman's post is extremely shitty and deserves little merit because it's just a charged emotional reaction to extremism taken out on a wider ideology whose adherents are diverse and many. You are clearly not trying to say the same thing as Staticman is. What you have said is that "millions" of more Muslims than any other religion today practice the bad parts of their religion. Okay, I'll take that statistic for granted just for the sake of it. I'm going to go out and ASSUME (you may correct me on this any time) that you are arguing it is Islam as a faith which is at the root of the problem of many more Muslims being violent as opposed to other religions. However, It's no secret that the majority of Muslims live in or have recently come from countries that have often more conservative cultures and little recent history of stability. Say Syria and Iraq. Even in Ottoman times these regions were only pacified by sheer repression, and still there was chaos. On the other hand, most nations where Christianity hails from are strong and stable with an equally strong national identity. They've seen plenty more tranquility than their Islamic counterparts and it goes to show that culture changes the way people view their religion. Would we not still be in darker times were it not for enlightenment thought or the renaissance? These events in Christian-European history dealt major blows to the strength of the Christian faith, both in its institutions and in how people practiced and thought about their faith. These are things the Islamic world has, for the most part, not experienced. So I contend that it is not Islam that is the root of the problem but the lingering cultural and governmental issues that plague nations predominantly populated by Muslims. On the flipside, there are plenty of examples of Muslims reigning from stable, developed, modern societies who, as the poster above me said, denounce violence and seek to promote the image of the "Moderate Muslim" - Islam is not the only factor that plays a part in how a Muslim practices their faith. Overwhelmingly, culture and social norms are the factors that determine that. Not the scripture itself.

[QUOTE=staticman;50208815]I can't be the only one getting sick and tired of hearing the same old same old, right? At what point do we finally, universally declare Islam a blight upon the Earth?[/QUOTE] Amazing. Just amazing. Unironically say a statement like this, and closet racists come out of the woodworks to once more band together in support! I won't even argue anymore because I have never supported Islam as a religion. It is flawed and regressive. But you know what? This is the [b]dumbest statement[/b] that you could say about any group of people. A blight upon the earth? Seriously? The guys who committed murder are terrible, but you guys aren't much better. [QUOTE=BelatedGamer;50211939]I think a lot of you are misinterpreting things and conflating "muslims" with "islam".[/QUOTE] But the thing is, any hate against Islam will be redirected towards Muslims in the form of prejudice (and most of the time, plain hatred). It especially fuels the bigotry of those who don't know any better.

I think a lot of you are misinterpreting things and conflating "muslims" with "islam".