The fight to formally legalize gay marriage in Japan begins as LGBT group files a human rights compl - Polidicks

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDo070JW8AEZQah.jpg:large[/IMG] [URL="http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/07/07/national/social-issues/lawyer-lobby-handed-lgbt-rights-relief-request-pursuit-legal-sex-marriages/"]Japan LGBT group files human rights complaint in bid for same-sex marriages[/URL] [QUOTE]Hundreds of members of the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community filed an unprecedented request Tuesday with the Japan Federation of Bar Associations (JFBA) in a bid to legalize same-sex marriages, saying Japan’s failure to recognize the practice constitutes a violation of human rights. Coming on the heels of what lawyers behind the move called a gradual softening of traditional prejudice toward gays in Japan, the bid by 455 individuals is the first attempt to legalize same-sex marriages by appealing over human rights. The JFBA, the nation’s biggest bar association, will investigate the allegation and, if necessary, issue a warning to the central government to review its approach toward the matter. Although legally nonbinding, a warning would have a “far-reaching” impact on the nation’s legislative and judicial process, said Toshimasa Yamashita, one of the lawyers involved. “If issued, the warning will be quite comprehensive, formulated based on the bar association’s meticulous research and analysis,” Yamashita told a news conference Tuesday in Tokyo. “It will likely be used as a reference in Diet sessions or trials whenever the topic of same-sex marriages arises.”[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japans-lgbt-community-launches-unprecedented-bid-for-samesex-marriage-10374189.html"]Japan's LGBT community launches unprecedented bid for same-sex marriage[/URL] [QUOTE]Hundreds of LGBT people in Japan have sent an unprecedented petition to the government to say that denying them marriage is against their human rights. The unprecedented petition, submitted to the Japan Federation of Bar Associations (JFBA), argues that Japan is in violation of human rights and therefore its constitution by not permitting same-sex marriages, The Japan Times reported. 455 members of the LGBT community, including 142 same-sex couples, filed the request with the country’s biggest bar association in an attempt to win the right to marry. Although gay marriage is not illegal in Japan, there is no framework in place to allow same-sex couples to wed, making it impossible under the current law. ... Without the right to marry, same-sex couples are unable to make their partners as inheritance beneficiaries in the event that they die without a will or share health insurance benefits granted to married couples. And if one of the couple is not Japanese, they are not eligible to hold a spouse visa.[/QUOTE] The only place in Japan that legally recognizes same-sex relationships is in [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibuya"]Shibuya[/URL], a ward of Tokyo with a population of ~208,000 as of the 2008 census, after it voted in March.

Didn't ancient japan accept homosexuality?

I'll bet Japan within a month legalizes it or something. They just aren't that kind of nation to not, I mean I feel like they're really a progress nation so they would definitely. Maybe it's just me. In fact I'm surprised they didn't have it legal already.

[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48161151]I'll bet Japan within a month legalizes it or something. They just aren't that kind of nation to not, I mean I feel like they're really a progress nation so they would definitely. Maybe it's just me. In fact I'm surprised they didn't have it legal already.[/QUOTE] Doubt it. Japan's not progressive.

[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48161151]I'll bet Japan within a month legalizes it or something. They just aren't that kind of nation to not, I mean I feel like they're really a progress nation so they would definitely. Maybe it's just me. In fact I'm surprised they didn't have it legal already.[/QUOTE] They might not do so right away as they do have a population problem. Japan needs Breeders not this.

[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48161151]I'll bet Japan within a month legalizes it or something. They just aren't that kind of nation to not, I mean I feel like they're really a progress nation so they would definitely. Maybe it's just me. In fact I'm surprised they didn't have it legal already.[/QUOTE] They're pretty conservative as a nation, and a sizable and continually increasing percentage of their population is elderly.

I's not so much an issue of homophobia that homosexuality isn't really given that much attention/considered a big deal. Apathy seems like the main barrier in this case.

[QUOTE=Glaber;48161189]They might not do so right away as they do have a population problem. Japan needs Breeders not this.[/QUOTE] Because when gay people can't marry the first thing they do is go and have sex with someone of the opposite sex.

[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48161151]I'll bet Japan within a month legalizes it or something. They just aren't that kind of nation to not, I mean I feel like they're really a progress nation so they would definitely. Maybe it's just me. In fact I'm surprised they didn't have it legal already.[/QUOTE] Its a bit of a gray areal. They have accepted gay-marriages in Tokyo .. but it doesn't count legally I think. Also some people say its against their constitution .. but it's debatable.

[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48161151]I'll bet Japan within a month legalizes it or something. They just aren't that kind of nation to not, I mean I feel like they're really a progress nation so they would definitely. Maybe it's just me. In fact I'm surprised they didn't have it legal already.[/QUOTE] It wasn't until 2000 or 2001 that Japanese public schools stopped listing roll call, and therefore classroom seating layout, in alphabetical order, boys first and then girls. Japan's made some great strides socially, but it's been a literal patriarchy with the old boys' club keeping the social status quo intact until quite recently. Socially, Japan is more conservative than the US in terms of minorities. The general sentiment has been "what freaky shit you get up to in private is your business, but keep it that way" and that included just being openly gay. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanako_Otsuji"]The first openly-gay federal politician in Japan only came out in 2013.[/URL] This poster began being posted in schools in [I]2014[/I], describing straight/gay/bi/asexual people and that being any one of them is okay. And this was news. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/du5BQHs.jpg[/IMG] [URL="http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/05/08/national/lgbt-bullying-rife-in-schools-survey/#.U4PYLyhEYrw"]Bullying of LGBT students in school is a problem, with 70% reporting being bullied.[/URL] [QUOTE]Among them, 53 percent were verbally abused and 49 percent were ignored or excluded from groups. Some 20 percent experienced physical bullying [B]and 11 percent suffered sexual abuse, such as having their clothes taken off by classmates[/B], according to the report, released Wednesday.[/QUOTE] Bullying is a problem in Japan, but jesus

Yeah. I guess I was kind of being optimistic then. But people who are LGBT aren't going to make kids if they couldn't as straight anyways, could they? I mean, it isn't like either way they will or won't have kids from being LGBT. I'm not saying they are part of the growing population concern.

Being gay doesn't have anything to do with Japan's declining birth rate, also I'd go ahead and say Japan is on the same level or even behind America when it comes to equality.

But if they do that how will they call yuri "forbidden love" and force drama into it by saying they can't get married because they're both girls? It'll ruin all my doujins!

[QUOTE=MillySoose;48161169]Doubt it. Japan's not progressive.[/QUOTE] The main people that argue against gay marriage are generally those that get the notion from some religious text. I don't think Japan is all that religious, and even then I'm not sure that Shintoism has any anti-homosexual stuff in it. I have a feeling the Japanese probably just don't really care about the subject, unlike the very focal opposition to it in America. But hey I'm just speculating and don't know jack shit about this.

[QUOTE=Glaber;48161189]They might not do so right away as they do have a population problem. Japan needs Breeders not this.[/QUOTE] If someone is gay, they're probably not going to have sex with the opposite sex anyway.

Spain isn't really that progressive but we legalized gay marriage[I] 10 years ago[/I]. And even called 'marriage' no civil unions or some shit to keep religious folk happy. So yeah I can see them doing this, it's 2015 after all.

[QUOTE=Glaber;48161189]They might not do so right away as they do have a population problem. Japan needs Breeders not this.[/QUOTE] but gays and lesbiens can have children too...

[QUOTE=Sableye;48161419]but gays and lesbiens can have children too...[/QUOTE] You blew it, that's one of the secrets in the Gay Agenda, we were going to destroy the world with a new generation of gay-infected children

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;48161289]But if they do that how will they call yuri "forbidden love" and force drama into it by saying they can't get married because they're both girls? It'll ruin all my doujins![/QUOTE] Bring on the Gay Marriage!

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;48161354]The main people that argue against gay marriage are generally those that get the notion from some religious text. I don't think Japan is all that religious, and even then I'm not sure that Shintoism has any anti-homosexual stuff in it. I have a feeling the Japanese probably just don't really care about the subject, unlike the very focal opposition to it in America. But hey I'm just speculating and don't know jack shit about this.[/QUOTE] How did you miss this in the OP? [QUOTE=The fucking OP]Coming on the heels of what lawyers behind the move called a gradual softening of traditional prejudice toward gays in Japan[/QUOTE] Social conformity is and has been a huge thing in post-war Japanese culture, and being a sexual minority and not hiding it (so that you "look" straight around others) is going against the social norm as it's established. They don't care about it if you keep it out of sight. A real DADT situation. Now, this is not true for every single Japanese person, of course, there're plenty of LGBT across the generational spectrum (as seen in the photo in the OP) and likely a reasonable number of people who don't actually give a shit, but it's been the social status quo. This is why the fight is happening now. 10 years ago, one of the most prominent "gay" representations in Japanese mass media was [B]this guy[/B] (skip the first minute): [video=youtube;QcZeKorSjfQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZeKorSjfQ[/video] Razor Ramon HG (Hard Gay) goes to a kids' park to find a kid who doesn't like eating green peppers so he can try and win him over by cooking it up buried in other flavours. Copious pelvic hipthrusts next to kids under 8. At 2:40 a kid talks to his crotch. It's comedy, but there wasn't also an Ellen Show to balance out the picture.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48161419]but gays and lesbiens can have children too...[/QUOTE] How? Their only source are from breeders and consenting people of the opposite sex (for stuff like In vitro).

[QUOTE=Glaber;48161487]How? Their only source are from breeders and consenting people of the opposite sex (for stuff like In vitro).[/QUOTE] Google "The Turkey Baster Method" and assume a male friend was honoured to be asked to donate by a lesbian couple (but probably not in front of them), or, alternatively, a woman agreed to be the surrogate mother for a gay couple.

[QUOTE=Glaber;48161487]How? Their only source are from breeders and consenting people of the opposite sex (for stuff like In vitro).[/QUOTE] Gay and lesbian couples have children quite regularly with more difficulty admittedly, but they still do so. They are also an [B]entirely[/B] insignificant factor in population shrink

I would love to see this guy show up at anti gay protests, humping the picketers. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTT59a9R7K8[/media]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48161521]Google "The Turkey Baster Method" and assume a male friend was honoured to be asked to donate by a lesbian couple (but probably not in front of them), or, alternatively, a woman agreed to be the surrogate mother for a gay couple.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48161530]Gay and lesbian couples have children quite regularly with more difficulty admittedly, but they still do so. They are also an [B]entirely[/B] insignificant factor in population shrink[/QUOTE] You both know you reinforced my point of the consenting person of the opposite sex with trying to disprove me. So yea, still no way to get rid of the opposite sex when it comes to child production.

[QUOTE=Glaber;48161573]You both know you reinforced my point of the consenting person of the opposite sex with trying to disprove me. So yea, still no way to get rid of the opposite sex when it comes to child production.[/QUOTE] No one even remotely tried to claim there was [editline]9th July 2015[/editline] You know donor banks for sperm and eggs exist right?

[QUOTE=Glaber;48161487]How? Their only source are from breeders and consenting people of the opposite sex (for stuff like In vitro).[/QUOTE] Sperm banks, serigate mothers... Adoption......seriously gays have nothing to do with Japan's falling population, they have almost no immigration, immigrants have large families, they attract more immigrants which keeps the cycle going, the US outside of the baby boom has kept its population up with immigration [editline]9th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Glaber;48161573]You both know you reinforced my point of the consenting person of the opposite sex with trying to disprove me. So yea, still no way to get rid of the opposite sex when it comes to child production.[/QUOTE] Nobody ever said they would. But you seem entirely misinformed about Japan's actual population issues as well as how gay couples can live normal lives [editline]9th July 2015[/editline] This is I guess the slippery slope that everyone was talking about, though Europe's been ahead of us on this for way too long

Don't do it Japan!

[QUOTE=Sableye;48161665]Sperm banks, serigate mothers... Adoption......seriously gays have nothing to do with Japan's falling population, they have almost no immigration, immigrants have large families, they attract more immigrants which keeps the cycle going, the US outside of the baby boom has kept its population up with immigration[/QUOTE] The problem is heterosexuals not pumping out kids. Gays as a percentage probably didn't have tons of kids anyway. If homosexuality became acceptable it would be acceptable for them to have families with kids (through the ways mentioned), probably boosting pop growth by a very small amount. Might be wrong though. Gays may have just forced through straight families to appease the huge social pressures. and doing this might actually lower the birthrate a tiny bit.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;48161953]Don't do it Japan![/QUOTE] yeah don't do it japan otherwise you could face devastating consequences such as