Microsoft Security Essentials/Windows Defender on Win8+ will now detect the Ask Toolbar and other to - Polidicks

[url]http://www.pcworld.com/article/2934502/microsofts-good-deed-for-the-day-browser-hijacking-ask-toolbar-gets-the-banhammer-on-windows.html[/url] [quote=PCWorld]You know it, I know it, Wikipedia knows it, and now Windows knows it: the Ask Toolbar is a bad thing that nobody wants on their PC. The next time the Ask Toolbar tries to sneak onto your computer it will be marked as “unwanted software” (that’s a nice way of saying malware) by Microsoft’s security tools. Microsoft previously warned it would take action against software that tries to prevent users from changing their browser’s default search engine. Although the age of the browser toolbar is pretty much over, Ask’s Toolbar has managed to live on as software bundled with Oracle’s Java for Windows. In March, Oracle also extended the Ask Toolbar download to Macs. Bundleware is bad enough since even veteran PC users can be tricked into installing unwanted software—especially when you’re multitasking. But the Ask Toolbar has its own special annoyances. When installed it switches your browser’s default search provider to Ask.com, and when you try to switch away it attempts to prevent you from doing so with a pop-up warning. If you’re not careful the toolbar can also reappear the next time you update Java. But the power of the Ask Toolbar is no more, as first noted on Slashdot. Microsoft warned that as of June 1 any program containing search protection functionality—code that tries to stop you from changing your browser or default search settings—would be treated as malware.[/quote]

I never really understood why oracle cooperates with ask toolbar.

they get money for it it's pretty stupid considering how it hurts their reputation though

[QUOTE=arleitiss;47938945]I never really understood why oracle cooperates with ask toolbar.[/QUOTE] Because dying software has to stick together, you know?

[QUOTE=arleitiss;47938945]I never really understood why oracle cooperates with ask toolbar.[/QUOTE] this made me uninstall java completely. the fact that every time i did an update, another exploit would get patched and i'd have to go through that tedious shit of avoiding the toolbar over and over again

[QUOTE=arleitiss;47938945]I never really understood why oracle cooperates with ask toolbar.[/QUOTE] It gets them a shitton of money on the backend. This applies to bloatware that comes with new PCs as well.

[QUOTE=Silentfood;47938960]this made me uninstall java completely. the fact that every time i did an update, another exploit would get patched and i'd have to go through that tedious shit of avoiding the toolbar over and over again[/QUOTE] [url]https://ninite.com/[/url] This will let you install Java and others without toolbars with one click.

Oracle makes it really hard to manage corporate distribution of java clients too. I had to jump through hoops to extract the MSI and use custom update software to trick my domain users into thinking it is a windows update in order to get a no-touch deployment at work. Java is the bane of my existence.

Java installs toolbars? It doesn't for me...

There goes the one reason Ask was still relevant.

What even uses Java now a days besides Minecraft?

[QUOTE=TheJoker;47939114]What even uses Java now a days besides Minecraft?[/QUOTE] [img]http://blogs.technet.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-00-50-43-metablogapi/2768.clip_5F00_image002_5F00_2621FB6B.jpg[/img]

Should have done it 10 years ago.

I've still got a few things at work that use java.

Windows 10 just got a whole lot better

Pretty sure millions of retail software based registers use it as well

[QUOTE=Wiggles;47938956]Because dying software has to stick together, you know?[/QUOTE] Since when is Java dying?

[QUOTE=TheJoker;47939114]What even uses Java now a days besides Minecraft?[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised. Most governments, banks and larger companies have Java in their stack. The company I'm with are mostly recruiting Java devs

[QUOTE=TheJoker;47939114]What even uses Java now a days besides Minecraft?[/QUOTE] Java is still very much alive. Just not so much for personal use.

Java is used extensively in software development still. Most jobs that I've interviewed for have required knowledge in Java.

[QUOTE=Silentfood;47938960]this made me uninstall java completely. the fact that every time i did an update, another exploit would get patched and i'd have to go through that tedious shit of avoiding the toolbar over and over again[/QUOTE] why are you posting from a computer running Windows 98

[QUOTE=Silentfood;47938960]this made me uninstall java completely. the fact that every time i did an update, another exploit would get patched and i'd have to go through that tedious shit of avoiding the toolbar over and over again[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure you have more things to worry about than Java exploits on Win98

[quote]Correction: After this article was published, Microsoft clarified that the version of the Ask Toolbar it classifies as malware is not the current version. The latest version of the toolbar will not be banned by Microsoft as it does not contain search protection code. PCWorld regrets the error. It's good that Ask ceased its troublesome behavior. Unfortunately, it looks like you'll still be manually uninstalling the Ask Toolbar for the foreseeable future. —Ed.[/quote]

good, fuck you stupid ask toolbar, please die

windowned

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;47939296]Pretty much. The vast majority of bloaty, slow enterprise software is all written in Java.[/QUOTE] I could only dream of being this uneducated of the software industry. Shit loads of backend enterprise stuff is written in Java and is not only the complete opposite of "bloated", but actually maintainable. Java hasn't been "slow" for fucking [I]years[/I] now. The JVM stopped being a total turd in the early 2000s when they started implementing the self optimisation components. Of course with the MS suite of languages now opening up more, they will see a massive uptake. But they are essentially the same thing as Java anyway. Compile to an intermediate language, run on a generic runtime. Not everything has to be written in native languages that present more headaches than they solve when performance isn't super paramount to the success of a software. Java even gets used in scientific computing (source: working on a genomics high performance cluster for an entire year, we even ran Python quite regularly). Reel in your damn hate boner and direct it at Oracle, not the language itself.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47940906]I could only dream of being this uneducated of the software industry. Shit loads of backend enterprise stuff is written in Java and is not only the complete opposite of "bloated", but actually maintainable. Java hasn't been "slow" for fucking [I]years[/I] now. The JVM stopped being a total turd in the early 2000s when they started implementing the self optimisation components. Of course with the MS suite of languages now opening up more, they will see a massive uptake. But they are essentially the same thing as Java anyway. Compile to an intermediate language, run on a generic runtime. Not everything has to be written in native languages that present more headaches than they solve when performance isn't super paramount to the success of a software. Java even gets used in scientific computing (source: working on a genomics high performance cluster for an entire year, we even ran Python quite regularly). Reel in your damn hate boner and direct it at Oracle, not the language itself.[/QUOTE] When people hear "Java", a lot of them think about the shitty Java applets that have mostly died by now, fortunately. Explains why so many people think it's "shit", they simply don't know where and how it's actually used today. I bet most people here come in contact with something that uses Java almost daily, like their phone or web apps that use Java in the backend, they just don't know it. Do you use Gmail? Netflix? Amazon? Ebay? These all use java in the backend. [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Wiggles;47938956]Because dying software has to stick together, you know?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html"]Yeah, [I]dying[/I].[/URL]

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;47941043]Java itself isn't slow, Java "enterprise" software development practises [I]are[/I]. Complete architectural shit stain.[/QUOTE] What do you mean? Software architecture is only as complicated as you make it. You can write shitty unmaintainable code in any language, Java doesn't really do anything that would make it more complicated than any other OOP language.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;47939384]why are you posting from a computer running Windows 98[/QUOTE] it wont infect me if it cant support me

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;47941043]Java itself isn't slow, Java "enterprise" software development practises [I]are[/I]. Complete architectural shit stain.[/QUOTE] So...it's the developers that are the problem then? Because the only thing Java really imposes on you is OO. What a shit-tier developer does with that is no fault of the language. You can mostly blame these awful practises on the fact that a lot of the software architects and designers are old as fuck now in the bigger companies that develop "bloated" enterprise software. Tons of start ups are sucking all the new talent up, and their Java solutions tend to be much more elegant as a result of that.