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[URL="http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0615/bloodysunday.html"]http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0615/bloodysunday.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]The Saville Inquiry into the Bloody Sunday killings found the actions of British soldiers was 'both unjustified and unjustifiable', British Prime Minister David Cameron told MPs.
The order that sent British soldiers into the Bogside 'should not have been given', the inquiry finds, said Mr Cameron.
The casualties were down to the soldiers 'losing their self control', said Mr Cameron - who told MPs: 'I am deeply, deeply sorry.'[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mr Cameron said the tribunal found some soldiers had 'knowingly put forward false accounts'.
Beginning his speech, Mr Cameron said: 'I'm deeply patriotic, I never want to believe anything bad about our country, soldiers, officers who are finest in the world.
'But, the conclusions are absolutely clear. There's no doubt, nothing equivocal, no ambiguities.'
'Lord Saville finds on balance, the first shot was fired by the British Army. None of casualties were armed with fire arms.
'Lord Saville says those killed were fleeing or going to those dying.'
Families of the Bloody Sunday victims gave a triumphant thumbs-up as the report into the deaths was published.
They waved a copy of Lord Saville's mammoth report at the Guildhall in Derry as they prepared to listen to the Mr Cameron's assessment.
Crowds watched on a big outdoor screen as the British leader said he could not defend the British army by defending the indefensible.[/QUOTE]
It's been a long 30 years but at least justice is finally at hand.
:golfclap: Way to go, Cameron. Someone had to apologise in the end.
Bout time.
5,000 pages? That is quite a report... The 9/11 commission report was only like 580 or so, I thought.
[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;22634146]5,000 pages? That is quite a report... The 9/11 commission report was only like 580 or so, I thought.[/QUOTE]
Usually in the area of law and the courts and general governments, reports have to be exceptionally well written and end up being much longer.
I seem to be missing something. What is "Bloody Sunday"?
No, I have not been living under a rock, I just haven't heard of it.
Now if more people were like this then there would be much less shit going on in the world
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;22640591]I seem to be missing something. What is "Bloody Sunday"?
No, I have not been living under a rock, I just haven't heard of it.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972[/url])
Here you go,
It's about time.
OK, now get to work on that time the IRA attacked that hotel in Brighton.
And that time they killed a coachful of soldiers, then planted a bomb there that they detonated when the ambulances arrived.
And that time they blew up that remembrance parade with all the Boy Scouts there.
And sack Malcom McDowell, who was in the IRA.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;22636295]Justice : :downs:[/QUOTE]
Trying to sound like you know what you're saying : :downs:
[QUOTE=lazyguy;22646086]OK, now get to work on that time the IRA attacked that hotel in Brighton.
And that time they killed a coachful of soldiers, then planted a bomb there that they detonated when the ambulances arrived.
And that time they blew up that remembrance parade with all the Boy Scouts there.
And sack Malcom McDowell, who was in the IRA.[/QUOTE]
The IRA were terrorists and are recognised as such. Bloody Sunday was soldiers opening fire on unarmed civilians.
I find it funny that the families of the victims were celebrating, "wooo our familys were murdered not just killed!" strikes me as a weird response.
[QUOTE=Callius;22646342]I find it funny that the families of the victims were celebrating, "wooo our familys were murdered not just killed!" strikes me as a weird response.[/QUOTE]
It proves they were innocent
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;22640591]I seem to be missing something. What is "Bloody Sunday"?
No, I have not been living under a rock, I just haven't heard of it.[/QUOTE]
There were a couple of Bloody Sundays, on in the 70's, one during the fight for independence.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;22646086]OK, now get to work on that time the IRA attacked that hotel in Brighton.
And that time they killed a coachful of soldiers, then planted a bomb there that they detonated when the ambulances arrived.
And that time they blew up that remembrance parade with all the Boy Scouts there.
And sack Malcom McDowell, who was in the IRA.[/QUOTE]
I can tell that you have minimal info on what your talking about just by reading your post. The Brighton Hotel bombing and the 1988 Coach ambush in Lisburn happened. although the ambulance thing, is fabrication. The remembrance thing could be the war memorial attack 1987, which was not carried out by the IRA, but by another dissident movement.
And lastly Malcom McDowell is an English actor. Quite famous too.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcom_McDowell[/url]
I'm not justifying the IRA. I hate the IRA, most of them are criminal scumbags using a veil of republicanism as an excuse for wanton violence and crime. The only "IRA" deserving of the title "Irish Republican Army" is now known as the Irish Defense Forces.
[QUOTE=Splurgy;22646296]The IRA were terrorists and are recognised as such. Bloody Sunday was soldiers opening fire on unarmed civilians.[/QUOTE]
Martin McGuinness was second in command of the Londonderry PIRA at the time of the killings, and "probably" had a submachine gun and "possibly" fired it. He's now Deputy First Minister.
Is that how we treat terrorists?
[QUOTE=lazyguy;22646086]OK, now get to work on that time the IRA attacked that hotel in Brighton.
And that time they killed a coachful of soldiers, then planted a bomb there that they detonated when the ambulances arrived.
And that time they blew up that remembrance parade with all the Boy Scouts there.
And sack Malcom McDowell, who was in the IRA.[/QUOTE]
Shooting innocent civilians doesn't give the opposing side to hurt innocent civilians.
Now shut up.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;22657933]Martin McGuinness was second in command of the Londonderry PIRA at the time of the killings, and "probably" had a submachine gun and "possibly" fired it. He's now Deputy First Minister.
Is that how we treat terrorists?[/QUOTE]
I see no proof of anything in that post,
"probably" and "possibly" are not indicators of guilt.
The government has countless other problems at its very core.
This is but one of many problems.
So have any arrests been made?
Even though this changes nothing since everyone already knew it was unjustifiable I guess it's a nice gesture.
This is great, but it still sickens me that they have gotten way with it for almost 40 years.
Just goes to show that if you have power, you can do almost anything you want.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;22657933]Martin McGuinness was second in command of the Londonderry PIRA at the time of the killings, and "probably" had a submachine gun and "possibly" fired it. He's now Deputy First Minister.
Is that how we treat terrorists?[/QUOTE]
All political prisoners were released under Good Friday. There are plenty of ex-loyalist paramilitary members in the government as well, it achieves nothing to go on a witch hunt of suspected ex-terrorists.
At the time of Bloody Sunday the provos were a very small force that didn't have public support- hence these Civil Rights marches instead of violence, and its been proven that none of the people shot that day had guns or were of any real threat to the paras. I donno your souce for this submachine gun thing- the only thing he's been suspected of around that time was supplying detonators for nail bombs.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;22659351]All political prisoners were released under Good Friday. There are plenty of ex-loyalist paramilitary members in the government as well, it achieves nothing to go on a witch hunt of suspected ex-terrorists.
At the time of Bloody Sunday the provos were a very small force that didn't have public support- hence these Civil Rights marches instead of violence, and its been proven that none of the people shot that day had guns or were of any real threat to the paras. I donno your souce for this submachine gun thing- the only thing he's been suspected of around that time was supplying detonators for nail bombs.[/QUOTE]
The source is this very inquiry.
Good, now the families of the victims will have some closure.
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