Brevik trial to conclude on Friday, verdict expected in July or August
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18530670[/url]
[quote=BBC News][B]Prosecutors in the trial of Anders Behring Breivik are due to make a key recommendation, on whether he should go to prison or into psychiatric care.[/B]
Their decision rests on whether they believe he was sane when he killed 77 people in Norway last year.
The court has heard conflicting psychiatric evaluations.
Prosecutors will present their closing arguments on Thursday, with the defence concluding on Friday, and a verdict expected in July or August.
Breivik bombed government buildings in Oslo before shooting young Labour Party supporters at an island camp on 22 July last year.
As well as killing 77 people, he injured 242.
Breivik sought to justify his attacks by saying they were necessary to stop the "Islamisation" of Norway.
Before the trial, a court-ordered pair of psychiatrists found Breivik insane, suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, and therefore not responsible for his actions.
This caused an uproar in Norway. The court then ordered a second opinion which found Breivik sane, as did a number of other psychiatrists who observed him in detention and in court.
When they presented their formal indictment in March, Prosecutors Svein Holden and Inga Bejer Engh called for Breivik to be committed to psychiatric care, based on the first report.
But they said they might change their recommendation if new information were to surface about his mental health.
[B]Extreme ideology[/B]
If judged to be sane, Breivik faces Norway's maximum prison sentence of 21 years, a sentence that can be extended as long as he is considered a threat to society.
If he is found criminally insane, he could spend the rest of his life in psychiatric care.
Breivik wants to be found sane, believing his extreme-right anti-Islam ideology would then have to be taken seriously, rather than being portrayed as the works of a madman, says the BBC's correspondent Lars Bevanger in court in Oslo.
The trial concludes on Friday with the defence lawyers' closing arguments.
A verdict is expected either at the end of July or at the end of August.[/quote]
Given they had to have alot of unnecessary bangarang to conclude he was ''sane'' I bet they'll let him out after 21 years anyways.
[QUOTE=Radley;36422910]Given they had to have alot of unnecessary bangarang to conclude he was ''sane'' I bet they'll let him out after 21 years anyways.[/QUOTE]
If he's still nuts after 21 years he'll get another 21 years.
He'll never get free. If everyone in the system is against him, then the system won't help him.
[QUOTE=PrusseluskenV2;36422899]For the reading impaired:
Please refrain from shitting this thread up with "omg he can only get 21 years?? noway sux löl xD".[/QUOTE]
but norway's prisons are so fancy he should be locked in a dungeon!!1
After reading Breivik's explanations, I'm starting to wish for him to be sentenced to psychriatic care instead of prison, since it's exactly what he don't want to happen.
[QUOTE=Rents;36423816]If he's still nuts after 21 years he'll get another 21 years.[/QUOTE]
For what? I am sorry, but there is no way he can't get back in jail without him committing another horrible crime like this. It may be too bad the Norwegian prison system works like this, but this is the first case in which such a crime has been committed and this really challenges the system by a lot.
Yeah he's probably going to hate getting into the psych facility
[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;36426114]For what? I am sorry, but there is no way he can't get back in jail without him committing another horrible crime like this. It may be too bad the Norwegian prison system works like this, but this is the first case in which such a crime has been committed and this really challenges the system by a lot.[/QUOTE]
"If judged to be sane, Breivik faces Norway's maximum prison sentence of 21 years, a sentence that can be extended as long as he is considered a threat to society."
Maybe you should read the article. So long as he's considered a threat to society he stays in prison.
And seriously, he will never be able to get rid of his past.
Everyone knows his face, and if he was to against all odds be released he'd have to change his appearance, name and home.
And even so, he would be monitored.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36426165]"If judged to be sane, Breivik faces Norway's maximum prison sentence of 21 years, a sentence that can be extended as long as he is considered a threat to society."
Maybe you should read the article. So long as he's considered a threat to society he stays in prison.[/QUOTE]
So according to law, it could be extended forever? :downs:
[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;36426404]So according to law, it could be extended forever? :downs:[/QUOTE]
Uh yes.
It can.
[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;36426114]For what? I am sorry, but there is no way he can't get back in jail without him committing another horrible crime like this. It may be too bad the Norwegian prison system works like this, but this is the first case in which such a crime has been committed and this really challenges the system by a lot.[/QUOTE]
My understanding of it is that when his sentence is up, he isn't released, but reassessed to see if he's still a threat to society, if he is, he stays in for longer, if he isn't, they'll probably have special arrangements for his release.
[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;36426404]So according to law, it could be extended forever? :downs:[/QUOTE]
Yes, but extensions are five years at a time, issued by a court.
I don't think this has ever been issued before, but it will surely come into play with Breivik.
let him suffer in prison.
[QUOTE=Flem;36426736]let him suffer in prison.[/QUOTE]
The point of prisons in Norway is to rehabilitate.
Every fucking time something about Breivik comes up some dumbshits always come with their uneducated "facts".
[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;36426114]For what? I am sorry, but there is no way he can't get back in jail without him committing another horrible crime like this. It may be too bad [B]the Norwegian prison system works like this[/B], but this is the first case in which such a crime has been committed and this really challenges the system by a lot.[/QUOTE]
[I][SUB][SUB]I will expand your bootyhole.[/SUB][/SUB][/I]
If he gets out, someone will probably want to kill him anyway.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;36425479]After reading Breivik's explanations, I'm starting to wish for him to be sentenced to psychriatic care instead of prison, since it's exactly what he don't want to happen.[/QUOTE]
So punishment should be based on what he wants least and not what is right?
We call Breivik insane, but 9/11 bombers were clear-headed, there is clearly something wrong here.
[QUOTE=proch;36428639]If he gets out, someone will probably want to kill him anyway.[/QUOTE]
actually, the majority of the victims seem totally focused on protecting and rehabilitating him, which is nice to hear.
[QUOTE=Earthen;36430926]We call Breivik insane, but 9/11 bombers were clear-headed, there is clearly something wrong here.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing clearly wrong about that.
Killing a lot of people does not necessarily make you criminally insane (look up the definition of criminally insane also). Killing fewer people does also not mean you are or are not criminally insane, just because someone who killed more people was the opposite.
And no, punishment should not be based on what he wants least, but what punishment should be based on is a whole different discussion that I'm not going to jump into right now.
What I'll say is that the Norwegian justice system is not based on punishment or revenge at all, it is based on rehabilitation and treatment. (Which by the way has been shown to reduce repeat crimes after the sentence has been completed).
[QUOTE=Earthen;36430926]So punishment should be based on what he wants least and not what is right?
We call Breivik insane, but 9/11 bombers were clear-headed, there is clearly something wrong here.[/QUOTE]
That's not what I meant. That's just my wishes. I know well that the court isn't supposed to judge like that, and I will respect whatever option they go with.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;36432061]There's nothing clearly wrong about that.
Killing a lot of people does not necessarily make you criminally insane (look up the definition of criminally insane also). Killing fewer people does also not mean you are or are not criminally insane, just because someone who killed more people was the opposite.
And no, punishment should not be based on what he wants least, but what punishment should be based on is a whole different discussion that I'm not going to jump into right now.
What I'll say is that the Norwegian justice system is not based on punishment or revenge at all, it is based on rehabilitation and treatment. (Which by the way has been shown to reduce repeat crimes after the sentence has been completed).[/QUOTE]
I know that Norway's justice system is rehabilitative, and I fully support justice systems that function that way. That's why Breivik should receive a punishment that is fair.
Breivik is not insane. If he is, then the 9/11 bombers have to be insane as well. There is really no difference in the the actions other than death toll. Both actions were politically motivated.
[QUOTE=Earthen;36439612]Breivik is not insane. If he is, then the 9/11 bombers have to be insane as well. There is really no difference in the the actions other than death toll. Both actions were politically motivated.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't work like that.
Both actions being politically motivated doesn't prove in any way that Breivik is not criminally insane.
I'm not saying he is, I'm saying he could be, 9/11 has absolutely nothing to do with this. It's prefectly possible to be insane and still say that your actions are politically motivated.
[QUOTE=Earthen;36439612]I know that Norway's justice system is rehabilitative, and I fully support justice systems that function that way. That's why Breivik should receive a punishment that is fair.
Breivik is not insane. If he is, then the 9/11 bombers have to be insane as well. There is really no difference in the the actions other than death toll. Both actions were politically motivated.[/QUOTE]
Ever heard of, I don't know, psychology, maybe? "Sanity" (as in "not mentally ill in any way") is not judged by the actions alone.
I wouldn't say he is criminally insane. Deluded perhaps, but not insane.
[QUOTE=Cone;36430986]actually, the majority of the victims seem totally focused on protecting and rehabilitating him, which is nice to hear.[/QUOTE]
Good point actually.
He wouldn't be so lucky in countries like Poland or Russia though.
[QUOTE=gudman;36439793]Ever heard of, I don't know, psychology, maybe? "Sanity" (as in "not mentally ill in any way") is not judged by the actions alone.[/QUOTE]
Oh please, psychology is pretty much a pseudo-science, there is no accurate way of determining whether someone is insane or not.
If he ever gets released He would have to be given a new Identity
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